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Disagree. I agree that India play best at a scoring rate. The but it's about shot selection and timing attacks at the right time. It's been totally lacking for not only this series but many of them home and away.
The top order is just too inconsistent and the lower order yuvi and Dhoni have absolutely 0 staying power.
The selectors need to review the batting lineup, it's a pure liability and very inconsistent.
We have played out of form. Sachin is in his worst touch for last 3-4 years. Gambhir has not made a hundred since 2010. Dhoni too has been a burden as a batsman in test cricket for some time.
Add to that Kohli, Pujara and Yuvraj, all of who yet to establish themselves in test cricket. Pujara passed the test this time, others have failed.
What has Ghambir done that the other Indian batsmen have abjectly failed to do this innings?
How about pitching that young kid who played for the under 19's? Seems a talent in the making. Or is it too early and could potentially destroy his career?
Monty 10 wickets in the game.
Nice one Monty!!!!
Nice one Monty!!!!
Too early. There are others strong domestic performers waiting in the wing- Rahane and Badrinath to name two. Both are more in Pujara mould and have the ability to do well.
Ashwin gone. 21/7.
Do we get the extra 30 mins? England look like wrapping this up within 30 mins
Monty or KP for MoM?
Monty for me.
No. Still need 3 wickets, and then a 10 minute break for England to come back out to bat.
Check out all the innings so far. Common them- one or two players getting a big score, rest falling for peanuts. First 40-50 balls are tough to see through on this pitch but Indian batsmen have let themselves down badly. We have mastered Warne on such pitches before, should be able to see through the English ones despite how good them may be bowling.
Ashwin: Caught Patel, Bowled Panesar
Apparently England were playing.
Apparently England were playing.
Defended well and destroyed any loose ball. The basics of test cricket.
KP. One of the best innings by a foreign batman on Indian pitches.
Monty spell of bowling has been regal.
Has to be KP. One of greatest innings in the last year or so. He destroyed the Indian spinners.
deserves to bat the innings out.
According to you any test team should be scoring 500 on this pitch. If KP had failed again, English would have struggled to get 300.
Monty's 4 off his first ball when batting shades it.
Great day of test cricket. World class performances from KP and MP. Both had the 'x-factor'.
Very shoody decision not to played Monty in 1st test.
Very shoody decision not to played Monty in 1st test.
Yes, who knew playing spinners worked eh?
Very poor from India, especially Ashwin getting out now. No need to do that when the day's coming to a close. Indians need patience, still 2 days left.
Panesar wouldn't have worked in the first test. It's easy saying that they should've picked him in the first test. But the pitch for the first test was low and slow. Panesar needs bounce to get wickets.
He would done better than any of their pacers
I meant the thought of not picking him was correct.
Get in England!
I love KP, but sometimes it's hard to root for him when a fecking twat like Morgan is constantly acting as his cheerleader on twitter.
Boy! that was pathetic.
Will still hold on for a 100 run lead and a 4th innings miracle like an eternal Indian optimist but getting beaten by Surdy Panesar is embarrasing.
Sack Fletcher! Sell Sachin!
Will still hold on for a 100 run lead and a 4th innings miracle like an eternal Indian optimist but getting beaten by Surdy Panesar is embarrasing.
Sack Fletcher! Sell Sachin!
Where did I say this?
The facts speak for themselves, Indian players hopelessly out of form, sloppy batting in the first innings, and now in the second innings is killing us.
Sehwag's last century before the 1st test was in 2010.
Tendulkar last century Jan 2011 against Aus.
Gambhir last century 2010 against Bangladesh
Kohli 2012. Against NZ.
Yuvraj, had cancer and not played in a while. Last century 2007.
It's a shame that as good as the test has been it's been marred slightly by some awful umpiring.
Bairstow, for example, got an absolute shocker of a decision.
I think it's got to the point where the ICC needs to tell the BCCI to shut up about technology, their objections to it are nonsensical, and ruining cricket.
No it wasn't it was an awful decision.
Even if he wouldn't have got wickets he'd at least have tied up an end. Something Bresnan, Broad, Anderson and Patel failed to do.
England were completely unable to put pressure on because even though Swann bowled well Indian batsmen could just see him off and make up for it in the next over.
Bairstow, for example, got an absolute shocker of a decision.
I think it's got to the point where the ICC needs to tell the BCCI to shut up about technology, their objections to it are nonsensical, and ruining cricket.
No it wasn't it was an awful decision.
Even if he wouldn't have got wickets he'd at least have tied up an end. Something Bresnan, Broad, Anderson and Patel failed to do.
England were completely unable to put pressure on because even though Swann bowled well Indian batsmen could just see him off and make up for it in the next over.
The bairstow decision had nothing to it with a review system.
The lack of hurting it has hurted India more than England. Cook has been absolutely plumb in both of test matches so far. He survived and has then went to score a century. Retarded by BCCI, but ICC can't do anything.
The lack of hurting it has hurted India more than England. Cook has been absolutely plumb in both of test matches so far. He survived and has then went to score a century. Retarded by BCCI, but ICC can't do anything.
Not too surprised with our bowling, but excellent work from England. Need to keep the lead less than 150 though or we'll most likely struggle.
We should not be chasing anything more than 80-100.
If we are, then mid 90's England mode will set in and i'll shit it.
If we are, then mid 90's England mode will set in and i'll shit it.
If the Umpires or batsmen think that the catch hasn't been taken cleanly then it can be referred no?
Either way, apparently Dhoni was told that it hadn't been taken cleanly and refused to remove his appeal, which is pretty shoddy all round really.
Where did I say this?
The facts speak for themselves, Indian players hopelessly out of form, sloppy batting in the first innings, and now in the second innings is killing us.
Sehwag's last century before the 1st test was in 2010.
Tendulkar last century Jan 2011 against Aus.
Gambhir last century 2010 against Bangladesh
Kohli 2012. Against NZ.
Yuvraj, had cancer and not played in a while. Last century 2007.
I agree in a way. I think 300 + score was more than decent. KP and cook took the match away but you can't deny that many of Indian players are either living on past reputation or are not good enough for test cricket.
Sehwag has been out of form(bar last match) for quite sometime, same with gambhir and tendulkar. I've always said yuvraj isn't good enough for test cricket. I'll give kohli some time. Dhoni as usual isn't exactly a good test match player. So yeah we need some fresh players. There is no point in going back to raina or yuvraj.
It's tough to do mid series modifications but some changes are needed in this Indian squad. The bowling gets all the blame but the batting has let us down more often than not in the last 12 months.
Sachin: This is Bombay and Tendulkar should make this his last test. He has been out of form before and come back strongly but I have never seen him getting consistently bowled or Leg before to so many ordinary bowlers before. I am sorry to say this, but he is done.
Sehwag: He scored a century in the last test but for a batsmen who relies purely on instincts and good hand eye coordination to make most his runs, opening is not the ideal position. Reflexes slow down with age and he should be moved to Sachin's number 4 position in the middle order. He would be a revelation there and could reinvent his career.
Gambhir: Don't know the reason for his consistent run of bad form. There was a time when he looked one of the best Indian batsmen at home and abroad. I have seen him play couple of gems in the last innings of a test match and those were not flukes. No one without serious talent can play those. Don't have many options right now so we should continue with him for the time being and keep our fingers crossed.
Yuvraj: He recovered from cancer, which is tough for anyone and I have my full sympathy with him. Though we as a nation shouldn't be made to pay the price for that. He never was and never will be a test caliber player.
Raina: Sorry dude, you are not a test player.
From the next test on, I would start with an opening combination of Rahane and Gambhir. Rahane has been excellent in domestic cricker, is technically correct and from what I have heard has an excellent temperament. Don't really know who should take the number 6 spot.
(1) Gambhir
(2) Rahane
(3) Pujara
(4) Sehwag
(5) Kohli
(6) ???
(7) Dhoni
(8) Ashwin
(9) Ojha
(10) Zaheer
(11) Yadav/Ishant
Sachin: This is Bombay and Tendulkar should make this his last test. He has been out of form before and come back strongly but I have never seen him getting consistently bowled or Leg before to so many ordinary bowlers before. I am sorry to say this, but he is done.
Sehwag: He scored a century in the last test but for a batsmen who relies purely on instincts and good hand eye coordination to make most his runs, opening is not the ideal position. Reflexes slow down with age and he should be moved to Sachin's number 4 position in the middle order. He would be a revelation there and could reinvent his career.
Gambhir: Don't know the reason for his consistent run of bad form. There was a time when he looked one of the best Indian batsmen at home and abroad. I have seen him play couple of gems in the last innings of a test match and those were not flukes. No one without serious talent can play those. Don't have many options right now so we should continue with him for the time being and keep our fingers crossed.
Yuvraj: He recovered from cancer, which is tough for anyone and I have my full sympathy with him. Though we as a nation shouldn't be made to pay the price for that. He never was and never will be a test caliber player.
Raina: Sorry dude, you are not a test player.
From the next test on, I would start with an opening combination of Rahane and Gambhir. Rahane has been excellent in domestic cricker, is technically correct and from what I have heard has an excellent temperament. Don't really know who should take the number 6 spot.
(1) Gambhir
(2) Rahane
(3) Pujara
(4) Sehwag
(5) Kohli
(6) ???
(7) Dhoni
(8) Ashwin
(9) Ojha
(10) Zaheer
(11) Yadav/Ishant
Where did I say this?
The facts speak for themselves, Indian players hopelessly out of form, sloppy batting in the first innings, and now in the second innings is killing us.
Sehwag's last century before the 1st test was in 2010.
Tendulkar last century Jan 2011 against Aus.
Gambhir last century 2010 against Bangladesh
Kohli 2012. Against NZ.
Yuvraj, had cancer and not played in a while. Last century 2007.
I said the same thing previously. You can play one out of form player, but playing so many is fatal especially combined with new players breaking in
I know if you go back to page 1 of this thread most of us -- crappy, me, KM and I don't remember if there was anyone else -- saying that we're shit and this is England's best chance to win a series in India, but this still hurts.
The worst part is that all of England will go from strength to strength with Broad going out for Finn next match, while Morgan will probably come in -- an improvement on their top 6.
For India, the one person who needs to be dropped -- Gambhir -- did well and we won't make any changes. We'll still start with the same uninspiring 11. Will Sachin jump? I don't think so.
The series is not beyond us, but like noted earlier, it's there for the taking.
The worst part is that all of England will go from strength to strength with Broad going out for Finn next match, while Morgan will probably come in -- an improvement on their top 6.
For India, the one person who needs to be dropped -- Gambhir -- did well and we won't make any changes. We'll still start with the same uninspiring 11. Will Sachin jump? I don't think so.
The series is not beyond us, but like noted earlier, it's there for the taking.