BCCI will not change their attitude against DRS. I don't think they're that bad but their attitude towards DRS is shocking and retarded.
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And I am the bitter...sigh...
You or I may not like it but it is a money game these days. Don't make Sky a culprit. They would have made million of dollars of the series with huge interest from the large South Asian contingent in the UK along with the English. Why couldn't they pay a measley sum of 500K pounds for studio space, commentary boxes, feeds etc.? They would have charged you, the customer, without any inhibitions. Most of the people in the UK watch United games on steams as the channel you are speaking for, is a money hungry corporate like anything else.
Meddling constantly in team affairs? May be they should follow the exemplary examples set by the English board and their handling of country cricket.
Did they call you and tell you that they went out so that they would be seen by cameras? There was a selection panel meeting at the same venue for picking players for the last test. Did you know that? Didn't Google throw that?
Who is popular? Name me the best 11 players in India?
What gave you the impression? I remember English players ready to revolt a couple of years back to play in the IPL. May be you should look closer home before accusing others. Which international tournament or event has been neutralized due to the BCCI interference? Players are free to choose between money and country, I hate it, but it's the truth. I can blame the BCCI for doing it with the Indian players but how can you as an outsider? Why doesn't your board stop them from playing? And if you know, there have been many series that have continued on despite the clash of schedule with the IPL.
Modi has been booted out and the IPL is open to investigation by the ICC. Were you able to stop spot-fixing by the citizens of your country during the Eng-Pak series? What about numerous country cricketers coming out and investigated of those allegations?
Please do not go on and waste your time on more internet research than you already have. I am going to bed. Good night and good luck.
I am a pakistani and no way an english fan, probably neutral.
But it should be one rule for all, if all the others accept it BCCI should acknowledge that its in the minority. Personally I feel that it adds to the excitement although it cost us a match but these things happen.
I wanted to say Pakistani fan. I know you are from there.
I think they should except it too but without the LBW review with the only exception when there is a doubt that it has hit the bat. No reason not to use it for edges.
No harm done..Would have probably supported them but find the media specially to be unbearing. Besides I like sehwag and ganguly before him as players. So watching it as neutral and leaning towards whichever team shows more humility.
Liar! You are a Pakistani and never neutral when India is involved.
PS: I wanted to open a thread in the CE section to discuss a recent interview I read, where this ex-justice was purporting the theory that India and Pakistan should reunite to help with some of our problems in Kashmir and otherwise. I thought it was an interesting statement as the British two nation didn't help either of us. Would be interesting to get a POV from some Pakistani friends. I think there are a few here, ha_rooney is another one I know of, if I am correct.
Might just do it tomorrow. Good Night!
I agree with this, mostly.
I think first class averages should be used as a guiding measure for picking players, but the Indian selectors tend to use it as the sole measure quite often. I think there are a lot of players who have the patience to play long inningses, but not the quality to sustain it on the international stage. At domestic level, because the quality of bowling is lower(particularly in India where it is MUCH lower), sheer discipline is enough to make big scores.
On the other end of the scale, you have players who have the quality to score centuries at the international level, but not the temperament to play a long innings. I think the role of the selector should be to cherry pick players from both categories and give them enough opportunities to learn what they don't know.
I think this is very important particularly in the case of the gifted, but undisciplined players because if you leave them rotting in first-class cricket too long, you miss that key moment in which they can make the step up and let them waste away playing mediocre cricket.
And you shouldn't be surprised that Fletcher's not implemented this with India. A lot has been written about how Fletcher's hands are tied and that he's mostly a puppet figure, with the senior players and selectors/BCCI calling the shots.
Ravindra Jadeja may yet go on to become a test cricketer(I doubt it), but by and large, you see quite a few selections in Indian cricket based on pure statistics and not enough context. Numbers should always be used with a bit of context, otherwise you'll do something retarded like looking at England bowlers averages from 2001 and say they can't bowl in the sub-continent.
The first class system in India is easily worse than England's btw. England seem to regularly produce top quality fast bowlers plucked straight out of county cricket and the occasional decent batsman -- Nick Compton's done quite well in this series here, for one.
And I am the bitter...sigh...
You or I may not like it but it is a money game these days. Don't make Sky a culprit. They would have made million of dollars of the series with huge interest from the large South Asian contingent in the UK along with the English. Why couldn't they pay a measley sum of 500K pounds studio space, commentary box, feeds etc.? They would have charged you for the customer without any inhibitions. Most of the people in the UK United games on steams as the channel you are speaking for is a money hungry corporate like anything else.
Meddling constantly in team affairs? May be they should follow the exemplary examples set by the English board and their handling of country cricket.
Did they call you and tell you that they went out so that they would be seen by cameras? There was a selection panel meeting at the same venue for picking players for the last test. Did you know that? Didn't Google throw that?
Who is popular? Name me the best 11 players in India?
What gave you the impression? I remember English players ready to revolt a couple of years back to play in the IPL. May be you should look closer home before accusing others. Which international tournament or event has been neutralized due to the BCCI interference? Players are free to choose between money and country, I hate it, but it's the truth. I can blame the BCCI for doing it with the Indian players but how can you as an outsider? Why doesn't your board stop them from playing? And if you know, there have been many series that have continued on despite the clash of schedule with the IPL.
Modi has been booted out and the IPL is open to investigation by the ICC. Were you able to stop spot-fixing by the citizens of your country during the Eng-Pak series? What about numerous country cricketers coming out and investigated of those allegations?
Please do not go on and waste your time on more internet research than you already have. I am going to bed. Good night and good luck.
Le sigh...
Liar! You are a Pakistani and never neutral when India is involved.
PS: I wanted to open a thread in the CE section to discuss a recent interview I read, where this ex-justice was purporting the theory that India and Pakistan should reunite to help with some of our problems in Kashmir and otherwise. I thought it was an interesting statement as the British two nation didn't help either of us. Would be interesting to get a POV from some Pakistani friends. I think there are a few here, ha_rooney is another one I know of, if I am correct.
Might just do it tomorrow. Good Night!
My hate for all team goes like this.Australia
India-England
When england/india play aus am with them. When they both play each other, normally go with the underdog.
Sounds interesting...Looking forward to reading it. I think for it to work it would have to be something like the EU as doubt either country would willingly give up their freedom after so many sacrifices. Although our leaders are incompetent enough already without combining them.
This is actually a cracking list. I disagree with the point about Sky and I haven't read anything concrete about corruption. But points well made.
I say cracking because you came up with that pretty fast. Not looked at the time, I am assuming all posts here have been made quickly one after the other.
That's because the pitches offer fast bowlers encouragement, they don't get downhearted and give up after 5 overs because they know that they have maybe 3-4 overs with the new ball and then maybe 30 overs of donkey work waiting for batsmen to make a mistake.
Batsmen is something England have always struggled more with, I think because so many wickets are seaming wickets, although there is Taunton and the Oval which are flat, and Old Trafford and 1 or 2 other pitches which encourage spinners.
And we weren't producing much of either before the central contracts idea came in, and when the sole selection criterion was having the best county stats. Martin Saggers is typical of a player who would have played maybe 30 Tests in the 90s on the back of his county performances but made literally a handful when the attack was really down to the bare bones a few years ago.
I know that, but Pakistan across the border have similar pitches and constantly produce class bowlers. Could be the fact that they grow up idolizing Imran Khan and Wasim Akram.
The thing is, over the past few years, England have plucked Steven Finn, Graham Onions, Tim Bresnan, Ajmal Shahzad, Jade Dernbach and to some extent Chris Woakes(all rounder, but bowls decent pace) and Stuart Meaker(early to judge him, but he has good pace) right out of county cricket and they've all looked like they fit right into international cricket. That for me, regardless of whether the conditions are conducive to fast bowling, is an extraordinary amount of bowling talent. All those names have made their debut within the last 3 years, if I am not wrong. Onions against WI is the earliest of that list and that was 2009, I think, right before the Ashes.
Jadeja will be a very good test player. I've a very good feeling about him.
I'm making my judgment on ODIs and T20s where we've seen plenty of him.. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he turns into Garry Sobers with the white clothes on.
Have you seen him play first class cricket or?
Yeah I always wondered why Pakistan produced so many great fast bowlers, and yet I struggle to think of a sing Indian quick beyond Zaheer (was Dev quick enough to be classed as a fast bowler?). One of those things that it's just really really hard to understand.
Think this is a question of cycles/luck more than anything to be honest, in 2004 we fielded a bowling group of Flintoff (when he was fat and shit still), Hoggard, Richard Johnson, Gareth Batty and Ashley Giles. Really not a brilliant bowling line-up by any stretch of the imagination.
Or 2002 in Australia:
Caddick, Harmison, Craig White, Richard Dawson and Mark Butcher were the main attack. With Dawson batting at 5 ffs! No joke
Think this is a question of cycles/luck more than anything to be honest, in 2004 we fielded a bowling group of Flintoff (when he was fat and shit still), Hoggard, Richard Johnson, Gareth Batty and Ashley Giles. Really not a brilliant bowling line-up by any stretch of the imagination.
Or 2002 in Australia:
Caddick, Harmison, Craig White, Richard Dawson and Mark Butcher were the main attack. With Dawson batting at 5 ffs! No joke
Nah just a gut feeling. Think he's unnecessarily made scapegoat by some Indian fans. Still young and there's some talent in him.
I hope you're right.
In Pakistan we have an obsession with production fast bowlers.It started with safraz nawaz and fazal mehmood. Then along came Imran Khan who is still the most beloved cricketer back home. Millions aspired to be like him. The result was wasim akram and waqar younis. After those two legends we got Shoiab Akhtar,Sami,Aamir,etc. You can see the obsession in players like sami who could have been a much better bowler if he had compromised his speed for some control. But he wanted to be amongst the fastest bowlers in the world.
Ditto with akhtar, his career could have been better if he had not chosen to be a poster boy like imran khan.
The most disappointing thing about this team during the last world cup and recently is that we have no genuine quick bowler to excite you. A bowling attack compromised entirely of spinners doesnt just hold your imagination in the same way. We do have a couple of exciting youngsters so am hoping the selectors pick them rather than sticking with deadwood like sami.
Aamir! Looked like a real bowling genius
Aamir! Looked like a real bowling genius
His ban still hurts a lot. Its amazing that a young kid got the same amount of ban as asif and our team captain. Hate the corruption in our team and still dont think all the culprits have been caught yes. Aamir was the last player in this pakistani side who I was genuinely excited about, had all in him to be the next akram without the issues of someone like umar akmal.
Still he will be 23 when he comes back so maybe there is hope yet but doubt he will reach the legendary status in the game that he could have had.
Yeah I always wondered why Pakistan produced so many great fast bowlers, and yet I struggle to think of a sing Indian quick beyond Zaheer (was Dev quick enough to be classed as a fast bowler?). One of those things that it's just really really hard to understand.
Think this is a question of cycles/luck more than anything to be honest, in 2004 we fielded a bowling group of Flintoff (when he was fat and shit still), Hoggard, Richard Johnson, Gareth Batty and Ashley Giles. Really not a brilliant bowling line-up by any stretch of the imagination.
Or 2002 in Australia:
Caddick, Harmison, Craig White, Richard Dawson and Mark Butcher were the main attack. With Dawson batting at 5 ffs! No joke
Good times. feck me remember the days of Ian Ward, Usman Afzaal, Jimmy Ormond, Alex Tudor, Aftab Habib, Ed Giddins etc., England have had some very average players. The captaincy has helped them a lot, Hussain, Vaughan and Strauss really provided England with what they needed at that time.
England definitely have a vast amount of bowling resources. They even have a very promising leg spinner coming through.
Ay up Flintoff wasn't shit and fat in 2004, his peak was 2003-05 IMO. Bowling wise 04-05.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/596796.html
The BCCI.. wonderful.
So the selectors all wanted to get rid of Dhoni, but N Srinivasan didn't allow it. And apparently it is in the rules of the BCCI that Dhoni cannot be removed without clearance from BCCI.
All time low, even for the BCCI.
The BCCI.. wonderful.
So the selectors all wanted to get rid of Dhoni, but N Srinivasan didn't allow it. And apparently it is in the rules of the BCCI that Dhoni cannot be removed without clearance from BCCI.
All time low, even for the BCCI.
I read in TOI, that Dhoni is only answerable to the president. Not the coach and not the selectors but only the President.
We're a joke. This is like Chelsea.
We're a joke. This is like Chelsea.
TBF a lot of cretins like Srikkant who himself supported Dhoni and same batch of players to the hilt when he was a selector are now coming out and changing stance when it is more viable to do so.
Amarnath should just keep his mouth shut. He's hardly helping things ahead of an important test match.
What does he want us to do? Sack our captain 3 matches into a 4 game series?
What does he want us to do? Sack our captain 3 matches into a 4 game series?
How is it an important test match? If India win, they'll continue to pretend nothing's wrong.
A win in this match here is our worst possible result long-term.
What do you want us to do though? Drop everyone who's not performing? The players who replace them won't be good enough either. I think the best thing we can do now is to be patient, if we keep chopping and changing we'll get nowhere.
Dravid summed it up best, we lack talent and don't have a deep enough talent pool. It's all well and good saying we should sack Dhoni/retire Sachin but we don't have anyone good enough to come in for them in my opinion.
Dravid summed it up best, we lack talent and don't have a deep enough talent pool. It's all well and good saying we should sack Dhoni/retire Sachin but we don't have anyone good enough to come in for them in my opinion.
I sorta hope we lose. Might lead to much needed drastic changes.
I think we could line up with a better top 7.
And I think we could instill a lot of professionalism into the team.
These two things could go a long way.
If we lose, we should be losing after giving our best possible shot.
This doesn't involve Sachin at 4, Yuvraj at 6, Gambhir opening.
If 8-0 didn't bought about a change then I doubt this one will be.
And I call bollocks we don't have a big talent pool. Batting wise we've pretty good depth in talent.
Guys like Rahane, Rohit Sharma(Scored a double century) should've been given a chance much earlier. Wicketkeepers like Saha and Patel should've been given a chance.
I'm actually pleased that guys like Jadeja are bought into the team. If not for anything, they'll instill a bit of emergency onto the field.
I thought all wasn't well when he was sacked a year ago. They should give guys like Kumble, Dravid etc important spots in BCCI, we all know they're all genuine people who'll do well for Indian Cricket.
I'm not sure either of them are good enough to be test cricketers or if the fans would be patient enough to give them a long rope. They'll fail a couple of series and we'll all be asking for someone else to be given a chance.
I don't think we value our senior players at times. Dravid and Laxman would have made us stronger this series. Some time back people were shouting for Yuvraj and Kohli to be given a chance and they've both been outscored by our seniors this series. It would be madness to give all our younger players a go at the same time.
I agree we could have had better WK batsmen than Dhoni.
Nah this is at home, that too after Indian team and media were so cocksure of 'revenge' against the English team who had folded against Pak in similar conditions.
I think Rahane is quality. Very complete batsmen.
The team shouldn't be selected on the vicissitudes of fans.
Kohli may have failed now, but he should be given more time.
What is the point of having a mix of experienced and new players if the experienced players contribute about 50 runs together every innings?
Dravid and Laxman could've played now and helped, but they wouldn't have been of any use once we started touring in 2013 when they'd have been pushing 40. For that reason, I think their retirements were the right decisions, regardless of our results in this series.
Besides, Dravid's place has been taken up by Pujara who has been excellent. So, it's only Laxman you're talking about and Laxman became a complete liability away towards the end.
edit: this was a reply to kps88.. KM and crappy posted in between
Kohli may have failed now, but he should be given more time.
What is the point of having a mix of experienced and new players if the experienced players contribute about 50 runs together every innings?
Dravid and Laxman could've played now and helped, but they wouldn't have been of any use once we started touring in 2013 when they'd have been pushing 40. For that reason, I think their retirements were the right decisions, regardless of our results in this series.
Besides, Dravid's place has been taken up by Pujara who has been excellent. So, it's only Laxman you're talking about and Laxman became a complete liability away towards the end.
edit: this was a reply to kps88.. KM and crappy posted in between
Completely agree. Kohli is the future and for that I've no doubts over him.
I'm glad that they've ditched Zak. I'd have been more glad if they'd have ditched Sehwag. Both of them aren't at required international fitness levels.
Finn out.
2-2 just became a lot more realistic.
2-2 just became a lot more realistic.