Ngotha dei, Fishy is poruki no.1 here. Don't mess with him.
All good sort here, dude. Chill.
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All good sort here, dude. Chill.
Hope you and family are safe, Vida!
Because some of them might be facing persecution too? There have been quite a few posts explaining the nuance involved in this situation, I'm not sure how you still can't see how it's possible to be a Muslim and still get persecuted by other Muslims.
Because a law against persecution is a good thing. But a law against persecution which excludes Muslims is still good, but biased and bigoted.
That is unnecessary. Not everyone speaks like you.Ngotha dei, Fishy is poruki no.1 here. Don't mess with him.
All good sort here, dude. Chill.
Cool. I thought he is another average Hindi guy who thinks why others didn't know his language.
Obviously being a Tamilian, I have nothing against any religion.
The problem here is, NRC is a long time expectation in NE India. It had to be implemented. Indira Gandhi said at the time of Bangladesh war that all migrants will be sent back irrespective of religion. Illegal migration is a huge problem for smaller and economically weaker states. The whole of NE will be against India, if this is not done.
Agree. Exclusions should have been applied to those persecuted sects.
Dude, chill. Caf humor!
Don't know much about Indian politics. Been there twice and loved it.
Sad to see them descend towards facism. Saw a stat that a third of legislatures have pending criminal cases. Depressing.
Sad to see them descend towards facism. Saw a stat that a third of legislatures have pending criminal cases. Depressing.
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Because we are a secular country so we can't explicitly exclude people from any religion. Why is this so hard to understand? Religion cannot be the basis of citizenship in a secular state.
Consider also what the criteria is? Taslima Nasreen wrote Lajja and was hounded out of Bangladesh. Yes she is an atheist but she is prima facie a muslim. She lives today in an uncertain position. As an atheist she doesn't come under the umbrella of minority as the act would consider her a muslim therefore incapable of claiming anything under it. Sri Lankan Tamil Hindus can't claim under it even though they are prime targets. Why? Well we know why. Because the BJP stands to gain nothing from appealing to Tamil Nadu - a state that contributes far more than the likes of Uttar Pradesh but does not vote for the BJP.
The other thing is that India's borders are totally arbitrary and people from the same community live all over. If you have ever traveled in the borderlands in any state you'd know that. Shit, just go to Tirupati: Yes you are in Andhra but you could also be in Tamil Nadu. In many cases the Bangladeshis are really extended family of the Bengalis who are in India.
You have to remember many Pakistanis and Bangladeshis also didn't move out of malice because they couldn't bear living with Hindus. Their family just left because often they had no choice.
Afghanistan is not that different - they have dozens of different ethnicities (all of whom are at odds with each other) - Uzbeks, Tajiks, Hazaras, Pashtuns - they don't get along just because they are muslims. The Panjshiri Tajiks (with whom India have excellent relations) have consistently spoken out against Pakistan's terrorist campaign in India (Just read up about Amrullah Saleh) and they are persecuted in Afghanistan. Now we won't let them come in because they are muslim so therefore they cannot be persecuted? What kind of nonsense is this? Is Erdogan not a muslim? Is he not at odds with many of the Kurds who are also muslim?
fecksake this is one stupid question.
Why not send illegal Christian and Hindu immigrants back too? There may be no difference in their 'perscution' and that of a Muslims after all.
Well put. There's so many strange arguments doing the rounds borne out of misinformation and misplaced nationalism. I was told today that 'but Muslims have Pakistan, Bangladesh etc which is their home/where they belong'. The Hindu Rashtra dream is in sight for BJP/RSS.
hmmmm, do you see a difference between this and allowing people in India based on their religion only?
''The exremist said: Extreme times call for extreme measures"
"I said: Extreme times comes from extreme measures"
I worry about India. This is how extremism creeps into society from all sides which will have a devastating effect on the country.
So bizzarre
Ngotha dei, Fishy is poruki no.1 here. Don't mess with him.
All good sort here, dude. Chill.
RSS has pretty much destroyed the social fabric in coastal Karnataka. Think I had posted an elaborate article about it few months ago.
https://www.news18.com/amp/news/ind...edi-sadananda-gowda-attend-event-2426053.html
Appears it was a well attended event too. The state of this country
And the tweet of the day goes to..
From bbc: The video is shocking: a group of unarmed young women trying to defend their friend from a group of Indian police officers in riot gear wielding bamboo poles. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-50809936
Kashmir, babri and now CAB. Seems to be a consistent strategy and will no doubt have several more anti Muslim policies coming up.
What is RSS grand plan for the 200m resident Indian Muslim citizens? Surely someone has thought that through?
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Who are they and where is it? Secular crowd or mainly Muslim?
Is this a step too far from Modi? Might this spark some kind of civil rebellion against him? Maybe something like the redshirt movement from Thailand a few years ago?
Pro-Indian 'fake websites targeted decision makers in Europe'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-50749764
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-50749764
West Bengal. I would say mainly a mix of both.
Somewhere in Bengal I guess, you can see Mamata leading that crowd (in white).
Been thinking about this. Modi think's he is being smart and ideologically infallible with his stance on welcoming 'persecuted minorities' from Muslim dominated nations.
I cant speak for Pakistan, but there is no cultural or political sponsored oppression of Hindu's in Bangladesh. Of course one may find isolated incidents, but it is not part of any national narrative, nor celebrated or desired by the majority of the population. Hindu's actually have a special place in Bangladeshi society, often because of being well educated, and have over representation in sectors like law, university teaching and medicine. Old Dhaka comes alive during all the nationally mandated and celebrated Hindu public holidays.
Modi's thesis that they are running from oppression and persecution is totally false. The truth is that Bangladeshi's (Hindu and Muslim) who illegally migrate into 'seven sister' Indian states, do so for economic reasons. I think people against these new laws should make this point, as it would then expose his intellectual neatness as a total fallacy.
I cant speak for Pakistan, but there is no cultural or political sponsored oppression of Hindu's in Bangladesh. Of course one may find isolated incidents, but it is not part of any national narrative, nor celebrated or desired by the majority of the population. Hindu's actually have a special place in Bangladeshi society, often because of being well educated, and have over representation in sectors like law, university teaching and medicine. Old Dhaka comes alive during all the nationally mandated and celebrated Hindu public holidays.
Modi's thesis that they are running from oppression and persecution is totally false. The truth is that Bangladeshi's (Hindu and Muslim) who illegally migrate into 'seven sister' Indian states, do so for economic reasons. I think people against these new laws should make this point, as it would then expose his intellectual neatness as a total fallacy.
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Unfortunately, faux-nationalism is afflicting the world. These racists and bigots remind me somewhat about the MAGA crowd.
And the new Northern Brexit Loving Tory voters that rebelled against Labour.
I suspect it exists in most nations in the world right now. Globalised Neo Liberalism failed to last the test of time.
I would think the correct way will be somewhere in the middle.
Is this authentic ?
Would never take this rathee guy seriously. A guy with half baked knowledge can be dangerous.
This week, in two days flat, the Modi government pushed through both chambers of parliament the Citizenship Amendment Bill (CAB). This law uses a good cause as a Trojan horse to advance a radical faith-cleansing agenda that has more than a passing similarity with the shocking policies that China has deployed against its Uighur Muslim minority.
https://theweek.com/articles/883317/india-laying-groundwork-mass-faithcleansing
https://theweek.com/articles/883317/india-laying-groundwork-mass-faithcleansing
Fecksake this is one dumb and stupid answer.
I agree with others who said that there are some sects/atheists in Muslims as persecuted people. Your answer of no difference between persecution of Hindus/Christians vs Muslims is Pakistan & Bangladesh is plain non sense.
Not seen it but Dhruv is excellent
Not even an original retort. As long as there is persecution of both communities the law should not see them as inherently different. Discrimination is discrimination. Unless you wish to look at Hindus and Muslims differently which would say more about you than them.
I agree. The persecuted sects in Muslims/atheists should also added to it.
From what I have read, the CAB bill reduces from 11years to 5 for non Muslim migrants on the grounds of religious persecution. It is not stopping illegal Muslims from gaining nationality.