India politics thread

fishfingers15 said:
Yes EAP, Let's use Aadhar card as a mandatory proof of purchase when buying thayir sadham and Idli.
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Not really. An integrated system (duly protected ofc) is mandatory for many reasons. Aadhar at minimum should link, income, tax, social benefits, police records, immigration history, etc.

You don't really need that for schools or consumer purchases etc.

I don't think we have the data protection capabilities currently, but as a end state goal...this should be the way forward.
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Not really. An integrated system (duly protected ofc) is mandatory for many reasons. Aadhar at minimum should link, income, tax, social benefits, police records, immigration history, etc.

You don't really need that for schools or consumer purchases etc.

I don't think we have the data protection capabilities currently, but as a end state goal...this should be the way forward.
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A duly protected integrated system need not really rely on me going around and link A-card to everything. I mean if I link my card to PAN and then link that PAN to bank and then use the bank a/c number to get LPG subsidy, then I shouldn't be asked to submit my Aadhar and give copy to the bank and LPG saying KYC.
 
Justice chandrachuds judgement isnmust read in that aspect. Points.out all loopholes in system and also how a future framework can be altered And prepared.

There are huge issues of right to privacy and others.
 
https://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.com/cursor/bye-bye-rajya-sabha/
Bye-bye, Rajya Sabha
What, precisely, is a money bill? Article 110 of the Constitution defines a money bill: “a Bill shall be deemed to be a Money Bill if it contains only provisions dealing with all or any of the following matters…”, which are five functions such as tax, borrowing, expenditure, drawal from or deposit into the Consolidated Fund of India, the Public Fund and the Contingency Fund and a sixth item, matters incidental to the previous five. Who decides if a bill is a money bill or not? The same Article says the opinion of the Speaker of the House of the People thereon shall be final.

In the background of continuous disruption of Parliament, Lok Sabha Speaker Sumitra Mahajan ruled the Aadhaar Bill to be a money bill and the Lok Sabha passed it and it became law when the President signed off on the bill and it was published in the Gazette of India. The Rajya Sabha was bypassed.

Was this a money bill? Aadhaar is about creating a unique identity system for residents using numbers and biometrics and putting it to various uses, of which distributing government benefits in a leak-proof, targeted manner is one. It allows private companies to use Aadhaar. The Aadhaar bridge for inter-bank and inter-account transfer of money is enabled and supported by the Aadhaar Act. To say that the Aadhaar bill was a money bill is pure sham. Yet, four out of the five justices have agreed that it was a money bill and that it was okay for the Speaker to have tagged the bill as a money bill and for the government to have secured its passage by avoiding the Upper House.

Justice Chandrachud’s dissenting judgment examines the question from every possible angle and reaches the cogently argued conclusion that the bill fell short of the Article 110 standard of dealing exclusively with the six subjects relating to changing the balance of monies in the Consolidated Fund of India, the Public Fund and the Contingency Fund.

But does not the Constitution say that the opinion of the Speaker shall be final? None of the four judges holds that the opinion of the Speaker on the subject is beyond legal review. Both Justice Chandrachud and Justice Bhushan say explicitly that the Speaker’s opinion on the matter is justiciable. Three justices, including Chief Justice Dipak Misra, proceed to judge on the validity of the Speaker’s opinion, and find it tenable in the present case. Constituent Assembly debates make it clear that the framers of the Constitution consciously refrained to add a phrase, present in the British law on the subject, that the Speaker’s opinion would not be justiciable.
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Totally agree with this. The most basic point in Chandrachud's dissent is that Aadhar wasn't a money bill and hence was passed incorrectly. After that, nothing else - privacy, security, services - can matter, the govt would need to go back to both houses and pass the bill again. His argument is quite straightforward and I don't see how anyone can object to it. But making that argument would
a. kill Aadhar totally
b. annoy this govt which sometimes still has issues getting numbers in the RS
c. annoy all parties at some point since it would reduce their executive power to ram stuff through parliament
So making that argument would require political courage, and it's not surprising that CJI Mishra didn't show any.
 
Ayodhya-linked verdict: SC refuses to review 1994 judgment that said ‘mosque is not integral to Islam’
The Supreme Court ruled that the civil suit has to be decided on the basis of evidence and that the previous verdict, which was announced during the hearing of the Ayodhya land dispute, has no relevance to it.

In a 2:1 majority verdict, the Supreme Court on Thursday declared that there was no need for a larger bench to re-examine its 1994 judgement that a mosque is not integral to the practice of Islam, clearing the way for the apex court to hear the main Ayodhya title suit on October 29.

The bench, headed by Chief Justice Dipak Misra, said the civil suit has to be decided on the basis of evidence and that the previous verdict has no relevance to it. Justice Ashok Bhushan, who read the judgement on behalf of himself and the CJI, said the bench must find out the context in which the five judges had delivered the 1994 verdict.

Read | What is the 1994 Ismail Faruqui judgment?

Justice S Abdul Nazeer, however, disagreed with the two judges and said whether the mosque is integral to the practice of Islam requires detailed consideration by taking into account the belief of religion. Referring to the top court’s recent order on female genital mutilation, Justice Nazeer said the present case must be heard by a larger bench.
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https://indianexpress.com/article/i...que-integral-to-islam-1994-judgement-5376916/
 
Sabarimala verdict is interesting as only the lone woman in the bench disagreed with granting women rights to visit the temple. All men voted for it.

And also thenbhima koregaon verdict has shown Justice chandrachud as having a spine again. Justice Misra in his last major judgement along with forever in agreement going with the govt. Stand.

Really impressed with Justice chandrachud.
 
FromTheBench said:
Sabarimala verdict is interesting as only the lone woman in the bench disagreed with granting women rights to visit the temple. All men voted for it.
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It came from a place of liberal cowardice.

"It is not for court to interfere in religious practices even if it appears discriminatory. Notions of rationality cannot be brought into matters of religion," she said.

She was of the view that it is not for courts to determine which religious practices are to be struck down except in issues of social evil like 'Sati'.

"An equality doctrine cannot override the fundamental right to worship under Article 25. Notions of rationality cannot be brought into matters of religion," Justice Malhotra said.

She added that the issue in this case not limited to Sabarimala only. It will have far reaching implications for other places of worships, she said.
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berbatrick said:
https://blogs.economictimes.indiatimes.com/cursor/bye-bye-rajya-sabha/

Totally agree with this. The most basic point in Chandrachud's dissent is that Aadhar wasn't a money bill and hence was passed incorrectly. After that, nothing else - privacy, security, services - can matter, the govt would need to go back to both houses and pass the bill again. His argument is quite straightforward and I don't see how anyone can object to it. But making that argument would
a. kill Aadhar totally
b. annoy this govt which sometimes still has issues getting numbers in the RS
c. annoy all parties at some point since it would reduce their executive power to ram stuff through parliament
So making that argument would require political courage, and it's not surprising that CJI Mishra didn't show any.
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The consequences of this judgment will be felt for a long time, in future you can expect govt's to bypass one house of parliament. Accountability down the shitter.
 
It's amazing - in the last 3 days we have seen 4 different judgements - Aadhar, Babri-related/mosques, Sabrimala, Elgaar Parishad - *all decided by CJI.* The complaints from the junior judges are so clear here - he has been monopolising cases for his own benches. Even more alarmingly, whenever there is a split verdict, he is always on the majority side.
 
When is he retirning? One of the judges who was part of the protest is going to be the next CJI so let's see if anything changes. The activists' arrest case is a disgrace.
 
FromTheBench said:
Not sure how that is liberal.

She basically says we cannot assume religion to be rational at all.

Comes from somewhat a religious perspective. Or maybe she thinks court should not overreach at all.
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I see what you are saying. Her argument of being against reform lest it leads to unrest in society is a classic conservative one.
 
crappycraperson said:
When is he retirning? One of the judges who was part of the protest is going to be the next CJI so let's see if anything changes. The activists' arrest case is a disgrace.
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Not sure how that wasn't overturned.
 
crappycraperson said:
When is he retirning? One of the judges who was part of the protest is going to be the next CJI so let's see if anything changes. The activists' arrest case is a disgrace.
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This is his last bunch of cases I think.


Until recently, 147 million Brazilians were eligible to vote, but a Supreme Court decision on September 26barred 3.4 million people for not registering their fingerprints with the biometric voting system. With 45 percent of them based in the northeast, a region that is typically a bastion for the Workers’ Party (PT), the decision could depress turnout for PT presidential candidate Fernando Haddad.
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Aadhar, in conjunction with the literacy judgement about panchayat candidates, is going to have fun consequences.
 
So how do you guys @The Man Himself and @Edgar Allan Pillow feel about the biggest financial scam the country has ever seen ? Do you feel like idiots yet or do we have to dumb it down further?
What a cnutish thing to do to the whole country and for the sheep to support it was stupid. The country is getting worse day by day to live in, while idiots support the govt. If we had thanos powers and erase some people, but hey that is the type of thing modi has done and i am not sure i would want to follow anything he says. The worst govt and the worst prime minister the country has had.
fecking with rbi and cbi too now, major editors of channels removed for speaking against him. We laugh at the U.S. but we have bigger idiots in power.
 
Is there another thread where this can go to?

India shoots down satellite, declares itself a space power
NEW DELHI —Joining the select space club of United States, Russia and China, India became the fourth country in the world to shoot down a low-orbit satellite with a missile, announced Prime Minister Narendra Modi on Wednesday.
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Source: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...e73426-5068-11e9-af35-1fb9615010d7_story.html


Opposition parties clamouring that the announcement was made keeping the elections in mind. Nevertheless it seems like a step in the right direction for India
 
Devendra Fadnavis congratulated Modiji on this big achievement...

And some scientists too.. Lest someone would say he forgot
 
What BJP wants to focus on however is that UPA did not allow this program and it was only BJP who could do this. They have also roped in former DRDO cheid Mr Saraswat to tell everyone that UPA did not give a green light to this project.
Interestingly, Mr Saraswat had said in 2011 that they were well on course for developing this and were looking at timelines of around 2016 for completion.
 
MDFC Manager said:
The election is increasingly looking a foregone conclusion anyway.
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I think everyone knew BJP would emerge as the single largest party for quite some time. It was just whether they could achieve majority with allies or not, as that would have changed who becomes PM - Modi or someone who could be backed by post election alliances. With Balakot and all that has taken place since, it seems Modi is going to remain PM, although BJP won't reach 273 on its own this time
 
There was no need for Modi to make the announcement. The scientist involved should have made it but ofcourse that's never going to happen.

Anyways BJP hopefully wouldn't get the majority like the last election. I'm convinced that they won't be able to win 71 seats in UP again.

Ideally Congress should have announced an alliance with the mahaghatbhandan to give themselves the best chance but their ego won't allow them to do that. Somebody should tell them their real place right now.
 
FromTheBench said:
Not sure why the pm had to come and announce this with a speech?

It's a progression but been in the works for a while.

Timing is political and oberhyping.
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And let an opportunity to make himself look good pass by? No chance a man so up his own backside was going to let that happen.
 
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(the banned word indicating loud laughter)

PM Modi’s address to nation on ‘Mission Shakti’ did not violate poll code: EC
Stating that the PM's address has not violated the Model Code of Conduct (MCC), the poll watchdog said that public broadcasters — Doordarshan and All India Radio — were not used to air the speech.

“The source was the play out of the video as received from news agency Asia News International. Doordarshan subscribes to the news agency ANI which provides the visuals of news events round the clock. This arrangement is continuing since a long time,” the poll watchdog said, in response to a letter sent by CPM general secretary Sitaram Yechury.
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Give me raga or give me death.

Raga is my birthright and I shall have it.

Purna swaraj for haterz only.

Quit namo movement.

Azad raga fauj

Haters disobedience movement.
 
shamans said:
What's Indian sentiment towards Modhi now? As time passes the recent skirmish with Pakistan surely reflects negatively on him?
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There are 3 kinds of people(voters) in India, or rather the world:
1. Pro Leader/Modi- They don't give a feck about facts and numbers. Will rely on local news channels, which will obviously be supportive of the country and they will vote for Modi no matter what
2. Anti-Leader/Modi- The second the satellite proofs started coming out, they knew that it's just the govt beating their chest
3. Neutral- a. These are the people who pretty much read only the headlines that major news channels provide, they know about the strike but not about the satellite images and the US counting F16s so their votes swayed towards Modi
b. They know about the satellite images and all but are of the stance "If not Modi then who?" or "Atleast he had the guts to attack them"

Basically, the attacks have gained him votes, even though it might have been an unsuccessful attempt.
 
I'm no fan of the Congress but the BJPs response to a manifesto with not logical counter arguments but the nearing parody levels of idiocy with the whole anti national and tukre tukre nonsense, is rather pathetic.

The state of our politics despite the increase in public interest is poor. Maybe it's partly because the interest is high but naivly so.
 
shamans said:
What's Indian sentiment towards Modhi now? As time passes the recent skirmish with Pakistan surely reflects negatively on him?
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It has given him a decent boost, along with other schemes like 6k payment to farmers. He will comfortably won re election. He seemed to be in trouble in Jan and may have been restriced to 230 seats, now he will easily cross 250 or 270 imo.
 
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