India politics thread

Viral United said:
Bit rich? I don't give actual feck what journalist worship or not, I have enough understanding that they are not good enough.

As for your big rant I already say I don't have problem with what people opinion regarding him, I am not on his payroll.
FYI I was UPA voter till 2009 ( yes I am that idiot).
The give him break comment was meant to tell he didn't have to come to PCs as different government bodies give us information.

Find me one post where I praise Modi.
Please stop painting every one 'Modi's bhakt' when some has different of opinion than you.
Remember there are lots of propaganda going on in India and from both side. We need to use our own brain to see the truth.
Not everything is supper great in India, also not everything is going down in India.
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Wow. You really did get triggered for someone having a different opinion than you. Odd. Especially when I didn't call you a bhakt or even imply that. All I said what that people in charge need to be accountable for mess created by themselves.

Anywho, carry on brother.
 
TheReligion said:
I think it would be a massacre personally if you try and engage with the Chinese military. The best bet would be to let this settle down.
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Not really. Nuclear weapons are there for a reason. The same reason why India cannot fight a war with Pakistan is the reason why China cannot fight with India. There is a limit which can trigger a nuclear war. No country will push it to that extent. Both will try to settle it down.
 
redsunited said:
Not really. Nuclear weapons are there for a reason. The same reason why India cannot fight a war with Pakistan is the reason why China cannot fight with India. There is a limit which can trigger a nuclear war. No country will push it to that extent. Both will try to settle it down.
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The rest of the world won't let it get to a nuclear point, nor will either government, but if the Indian military try and take on the Chinese they'll be wiped out.
 
TheReligion said:
The rest of the world won't let it get to a nuclear point, nor will either government, but if the Indian military try and take on the Chinese they'll be wiped out.
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Nobody's going to wipe anybody off.

Both the Chinese and Indians aren't stupid, and a war would literally serve nobody, a piece of land with nothing to gain for isn't worth waging a war or even bad PR. Neither of them can afford a war at the moment, the Chinese would have the upper hand but they're not going to start a war over nothing with all the COVID and US trade wars going on, one more enemy is the last thing they need.

It's all political bickering and posturing, something else is at play behind the screen. My guess is it'll have something to do with OBOR

It'll die down, Xi and Modi would exchange handshakes and thing will cool down (I hope).
 
Viral United said:
What you want is PM do address everything and give PCs every day through media.
But thats not his style, he don't give PCs, but that doesn't means we don't have information.
Different government bodies gives us information.
For example
Finance news given by FM / RBI, Health news given by HM, Change in policy news given by Niti Ayog (Policy Makers).
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What the feck are you on about? That's not his style? Modi has been elected by the people of the country, basically been hired by us. That makes him accountable to the people of the country. He is answerable to the people whether he likes it or not!
 
Interval said:
Wow. You really did get triggered for someone having a different opinion than you. Odd. Especially when I didn't call you a bhakt or even imply that. All I said what that people in charge need to be accountable for mess created by themselves.

Anywho, carry on brother.
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Your post suggested you pointed me as Modi's Bhakt, so I reply you same manner.
And As my last post said, I don't think everything is fine in India, and also I don't think everything is bad in India.

As for accountability he has 3 and half years to sort out mess he has created, And I will Judge him at end of his term.
 
I truly wish there is some way of hurting China - like economically hurting them. May be ban Huawei from getting any 5G related work in India or something. Basically kick them where it hurts the most.
 
iKnowNothing said:
I truly wish there is some way of hurting China - like economically hurting them. May be ban Huawei from getting any 5G related work in India or something. Basically kick them where it hurts the most.
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Stop eating fried rice and ban Jackie Chan from entering India. If that fails just say 'wibble'.
 
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anant said:
What the feck are you on about? That's not his style? Modi has been elected by the people of the country, basically been hired by us. That makes him accountable to the people of the country. He is answerable to the people whether he likes it or not!
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I never said he is not accountable for mess he created, where the hell you got this?
I only said doing press conference is not his style. He never do Press conference when he was CM of Gujarat, nor in his previous term as PM. Why you think he will do it now?
He only do one to one interview or directly address nation.
We elected him for 5 years, before passing judgement lets wait till his term end.
 
iKnowNothing said:
I truly wish there is some way of hurting China - like economically hurting them. May be ban Huawei from getting any 5G related work in India or something. Basically kick them where it hurts the most.
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There is movement call 'boycott chines goods' going on in country, same thing happen in 2017 (and failed).
Let hope this time people seriously consider it.
 
Spoony said:
There's no way they're giving the Galwan Valley back. Question is...where will they stop.
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It is quite clear, the 1962 dash line. All their movements are clearly aligned towards that - Galwan Valley, Depsang Plains and entirety of Pangong Tso. That will leave the Shyok river valley wide open and bring Leh within reach. Also it gives them easier access to the Karakoram highway and pass to the west, which is anyway ceded by Pakistan to them.

Shame, I wanted to go back to Ladakh and visit till Chushul, but tourism is done now.

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Spoony said:
There's no way they're giving the Galwan Valley back. Question is...where will they stop.
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Half the worlds population relies on the headwaters that originate in the Tibetan plateau and all the valleys that come out of the Himalayas. Nobody is stopping the confrontations, considering every single government on this planet knows which way the climate change winds are blowing.
 
RedTiger said:
Half the worlds population relies on the headwaters that originate in the Tibetan plateau and all the valleys that come out of the Himalayas. Nobody is stopping the confrontations, considering every single government on this planet knows which way the climate change winds are blowing.
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This is actually a crucial point. It's long term planning for three Chinese, and even this planning started decades ago.
 
MDFC Manager said:
Yeah they just do whatever their bosses from Nagpur tell them to do.

@Rick88 interested to know your inputs.
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Sorry was tied up and logged onto the cafe right now. I guess everyone knows about the 20 KIA. How many on the enemy's side, I dont know or say. Prime concern will be now to protect the ridgeline along which the LAC runs parallel to the DS-DBO road. If the enemy has a foothold on this (similar to where the skirmish happened yesterday), they will have the heights and bring in the arty barrage (Gods of war as they are called). The enemy and the IA have similar numbers so numerical superiority is not an issue. Supply chain/logistics will decide the outcome in the long run.
 
Sky1981 said:
Nobody's going to wipe anybody off.

Both the Chinese and Indians aren't stupid, and a war would literally serve nobody, a piece of land with nothing to gain for isn't worth waging a war or even bad PR. Neither of them can afford a war at the moment, the Chinese would have the upper hand but they're not going to start a war over nothing with all the COVID and US trade wars going on, one more enemy is the last thing they need.

It's all political bickering and posturing, something else is at play behind the screen. My guess is it'll have something to do with OBOR

It'll die down, Xi and Modi would exchange handshakes and thing will cool down (I hope).
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But the land is a lot to gain over. Tibet and Ladakh are massively important, much more than Kashmir valley.

It ABSOLUTELY IS to do with the OBOR. What we are seeing now is the pushback for reorganisation of J & K and the abrogation of article 370.

The Aksai Chin and Gilgit Baltistan areas are must to have the trans Karakoram highway in control. China is ensuring that we do not have any way to stop trade or military traffic on that road.

Also obligatory feck Nehru for not attempting to reclaim Gilgit Baltistan from Pakistan after the initial territory grab. feck him even more for the Forward Policy which turned China and Pakistan into all weather friends.
 
RedTiger said:
Half the worlds population relies on the headwaters that originate in the Tibetan plateau and all the valleys that come out of the Himalayas. Nobody is stopping the confrontations, considering every single government on this planet knows which way the climate change winds are blowing.
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They are already damming the Mekong too. I cannot believe Nehru gifted Tibet on a platter to win brownie points. And then went to war a decade later anyway.
 
RedDevil@84 said:
Maybe @Rick88 will have good ideas. He claims to be the expert here.
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The air force will play a critical role. The enemy airports are at high altitude and hence can't carry full load. My instincts say that if a war does break out, it will be localized to the Ladakh region. We lost the 62 war due sheer ineptitude. Came out on top in 67 was due to sheer brilliance of Gen Sagat Singh. Unfortunate that we don't have generals of his ilk anymore. And those writing off the IA thinking it'll be a massacre, well I think differently.
 
anant said:
What the feck are you on about? That's not his style? Modi has been elected by the people of the country, basically been hired by us. That makes him accountable to the people of the country. He is answerable to the people whether he likes it or not!
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Relax, democracy isn't his style.
 
milemuncher777 said:
If you're visiting till Chushul then you should go beyond it and also visit Hanle.
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Yes you are right, but I do not think there will be any tourism in Eastern Ladakh anytime soon, if at all. Pangong for example might be out of bounds now onwards.
 
digitalnirvana said:
Unfortunately it already is. We are outnumbered, outgunned and out matched. Our defence spending is a fraction of theirs, and our border infrastructure is about 2 decades behind. The Chinese have steadily occupied areas in Eastern Ladakh across the LAC for several years now, and we have not countered.

Now they're in a part of our territory which has historically never been disputed, and moving back an occupying sitting force is a huge task. We are already in a tough position, there is no easy solution to this except either escalate to a Kargil like conflict or cede the territory. Our government seems to be choosing the second option. This is 1962 all over again.
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Its not as bad as it looks! We're not having a full blown war, at worst we might have a limited war like kargil.

We may be out gunned but we are not outnumbered. Look all that heavy artillery and tanks doesn't count for much in the himalayas where they have to pass narrow valleys and gorges while we control the mountain peaks. Its much easier to defend positions in the himalayas and both sides would have suffered heavy casualties before the chinese can hope to break through the himalayas.

Modi is hesitating because if things go tits up he'll lose the next election, so his election takes precedence over long term national interest. Im sure the chinese must have taken this aspect into consideration aswell.
 
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africanspur said:
Out of interest, both for those who support Modi and the BJP and those who don't, what do you guys think India's response should be in this case?

Ignore the underlying factors which have led to this for a second(though that would also be very interesting and I've learnt a lot from the last few pages). What has happened has happened now, how should India respond? In a realistic way considering the relative strengths and positions of the 2 countries?
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We should mobilise our armed forces and capture some other piece of territory on the chinese side and then negotiate, you dont enter a negotiation on weaker foot and expect to gain anything. Before you say how could that be easily done, bare in mind the border there isn't manned, large swathes of territory is empty. Thats how the chinese got in the first place. The chinese are testing the waters, they will push us to the limit and stop once that limit is reached. We should put our foot down so that we dont get taken for a ride and set a bad precedent for the future.

TheReligion said:
The rest of the world won't let it get to a nuclear point, nor will either government, but if the Indian military try and take on the Chinese they'll be wiped out.
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I think you are not fully informed. This is not the first time the chinese have encroached there neighboring countries territory and nor have they always come out on top. The chinese may indeed be better equipped (not by much either) but that doesn't guarantee victory. Tactics and terrain also play a part, do check out the location of the conflict and judge for yourself how well a chinese offensive will look at 15,000 ft when it has to cross narrow valleys and gorges against a well dug in army that controls the mountain peaks and that has been in constant conflict in that area for decades. Do also read up on nathu la engagement.
 
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VidaRed said:
We should mobilise our armed forces and capture some other piece of territory on the chinese side and then negotiate, you dont enter a negotiation on weaker foot and expect to gain anything. Before you say how could that be easily done, bare in mind the border there isn't manned, large swathes of territory is empty. Thats how the chinese got in the first place. The chinese are testing the waters, they will push us to the limit and stop once that limit is reached. We should put our foot down so that we dont get taken for a ride and set a bad precedent for the future.



I think you are not fully informed. This is not the first time the chinese have encroached there neighboring countries territory and nor have they always come out on top. The chinese may indeed be better equipped (not by much either) but that doesn't guarantee victory. Tactics and terrain also play a part, do check out the location of the conflict and judge for yourself how well a chinese offensive will look at 15,000 ft when it has to cross narrow valleys and gorges against a well dug in army that controls the mountain peaks and that has been in constant conflict in that area for decades. Do also read up on nathu la engagement.
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I'm probably not fully informed but I do know that India aren't a world military power on the same level as China.

Anyway I don't think it will get to that point as can't see why there would be the appetite for it, especially with the chaos caused by coronavirus.
 
TheReligion said:
The rest of the world won't let it get to a nuclear point, nor will either government, but if the Indian military try and take on the Chinese they'll be wiped out.
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I suggest you understand the term 'nuclear threshold' before thinking that a countrys army could be wiped out.
Btw are you a Pakistani?
 
iKnowNothing said:
I truly wish there is some way of hurting China - like economically hurting them. May be ban Huawei from getting any 5G related work in India or something. Basically kick them where it hurts the most.
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Get Hong Kong and Taiwan admitted as members to the UN and watch them squirm.
 
redsunited said:
I suggest you understand the term 'nuclear threshold' before thinking that a countrys army could be wiped out.
Btw are you a Pakistani?
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I think nuclear weapons are a deterrent that no one wants to use nor do I believe they would. It doesn't benefit anyone.

I say what I say about the Chinese military as it is far superior in terms of technology and manpower than that of India. I don't think they should, or will want to, pick a fight as it would be suicide.

That said I think things will be resolved diplomatically with the rest of the worlds support. It might mean a back down but it's certainly better than an escalation and more lives being lost.
 
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