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"China tried its best to resolve the [border] issue amicably, and through talks. But India did not take it with the same spirit, and continued constructions in the disputed region, which led to a bloody clash," Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in a statement.

"This is an extraordinary situation, which has been seen in the form of a bloody clash after several decades. This clearly is the result of India's Hindutva ideology," Qureshi asserted.

Supporting Beijing's "principled" stand on the border dispute with India, he said: "The 3,500-kilometer [2,174-mile] border of Ladakh and Tibet is a disputed region. If India thinks it can devour this area, then perhaps, it would not be acceptable to China."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-supports-china-on-border-tensions-with-india/1879965
 
Nepal shot dead a couple of Indians on the border just a couple of days ago.

They also very recently changed their maps to show Indian territories as their own. Dear Leader is meanwhile, nowhere to be seen.
Here is link for you
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...gh-dialogue-rajnath-singh/article31831682.ece

PM Modi's main focus is containing Covid - 19 and restarting economy which is right thing to do.
As for Yesterday's India - China stand-of, He has address a Nation.
So please give him some break.
 
Here is link for you
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...gh-dialogue-rajnath-singh/article31831682.ece

PM Modi's main focus is containing Covid - 19 and restarting economy which is right thing to do.
As for Yesterday's India - China stand-of, He has address a Nation.
So please give him some break.

And how many PCs has he held on containing Covid-19 or restarting the economy?

And before you say that he has addressed the nation sufficient number of times, those are all monologues. You want the govt to be answering questions about execution, what they're planning to do for the poor, the migrants, etc.
 
Out of interest, both for those who support Modi and the BJP and those who don't, what do you guys think India's response should be in this case?

Ignore the underlying factors which have led to this for a second(though that would also be very interesting and I've learnt a lot from the last few pages). What has happened has happened now, how should India respond? In a realistic way considering the relative strengths and positions of the 2 countries?
 
Out of interest, both for those who support Modi and the BJP and those who don't, what do you guys think India's response should be in this case?

Ignore the underlying factors which have led to this for a second(though that would also be very interesting and I've learnt a lot from the last few pages). What has happened has happened now, how should India respond? In a realistic way considering the relative strengths and positions of the 2 countries?
War is out of the question. And anyway it's just too late now, the land grab has already happened. We're never getting that back. China are now already claiming the Galwan valley as indisputable territory of theirs:lol: And as long as the ineptitude continues, we'll continue to lose land.
 
And how many PCs has he held on containing Covid-19 or restarting the economy?

And before you say that he has addressed the nation sufficient number of times, those are all monologues. You want the govt to be answering questions about execution, what they're planning to do for the poor, the migrants, etc.
They are answering my friend, you just don't see it.
Indian Forces already address all the issue and what is our stand in this conflict.

Every day my City's Medical Officer do press reporting, Every weekend they do PCs also for Covid-19.
Every Friday FM do PCs and Every one month RBI doing PCs.

What so fuss about PM to do PCs?
He never do PCs only one on one interviews or addressing the nation, what is your issue here?
What really you want? PM to answer every question? or government?
If government, then government is answering,
If PM then he never did PCs in past and will never in future.
 
Out of interest, both for those who support Modi and the BJP and those who don't, what do you guys think India's response should be in this case?

Ignore the underlying factors which have led to this for a second(though that would also be very interesting and I've learnt a lot from the last few pages). What has happened has happened now, how should India respond? In a realistic way considering the relative strengths and positions of the 2 countries?
I think there are lots of issues which create this dispute, one of the issue is India making Road near LOC, as for response to that, government has sent 1200 more worker to complete that Road very quickly.
As for India, PM Modi focusing to prevent Covid-19 and restart economy and trying to be Neutral in International politics as much as possible.
I personally fell we should have take more aggressive steps in all this, but that my personal view.
 
They are answering my friend, you just don't see it.
Indian Forces already address all the issue and what is our stand in this conflict.

Every day my City's Medical Officer do press reporting, Every weekend they do PCs also for Covid-19.
Every Friday FM do PCs and Every one month RBI doing PCs.

What so fuss about PM to do PCs?
He never do PCs only one on one interviews or addressing the nation, what is your issue here?
What really you want? PM to answer every question? or government?
If government, then government is answering,
If PM then he never did PCs in past and will never in future.

Yes and there's nothing wrong in that.

Trump is a cnut but still he has to face the press. Modi should come out and do a press conference. I think he's one of the only leaders in 200 countries who haven't yet done a press conference.
 
China can feck off though. Assaulting an unarmed unit that had just gone to enforce a truce that was already done. Cowards.
 
Out of interest, both for those who support Modi and the BJP and those who don't, what do you guys think India's response should be in this case?

Ignore the underlying factors which have led to this for a second(though that would also be very interesting and I've learnt a lot from the last few pages). What has happened has happened now, how should India respond? In a realistic way considering the relative strengths and positions of the 2 countries?
Right now, nothing can be done. The pandemic is hitting the peak in India currently and the land has already been lost - depending on who you believe. There’s no short term answer to the problem.
 
What is also so strange to see that a lot of Pakistani twitter users are gloating at the Indian deaths
This is not strange. Many terrorist attacks in Pakistan are celebrated by Indian twitteratis..
Many Indians and Pakistanis hate each other and twitter is a very good forum to bring out the worst in you.
 
This is not strange. Many terrorist attacks in Pakistan are celebrated by Indian twitteratis..
Many Indians and Pakistanis hate each other and twitter is a very good forum to bring out the worst in you.
Not just terrorist attacks the recent plane crash was celebrated by bhakts.
 
Yes and there's nothing wrong in that.

Trump is a cnut but still he has to face the press. Modi should come out and do a press conference. I think he's one of the only leaders in 200 countries who haven't yet done a press conference.
If you look his record, I don't think he will do in near future.
Considering state of press reporters in India I can't blame him for not doing press conference.
Raga is also not doing press conference, and Kejariwal has to retract every time he do press conference.
 
:lol:

the only thing he does is take decisions and speak into a camera from a teleprompter from his office. He needs a break from that too? Amazing.
Taking decision is his job, and it is huge job.
I don't say he need break on that job, I meant is cut some slack on him.
 
@milemuncher777
what exactly do you think we should do against a superior force?
Small limited Incursions of our own at different places on LAC. That'd level the field and and would give us better leverage in talks otherwise we'll keep losing more territory.

There are reports today they've also made incursions in Depsang plains.
 
@milemuncher777
what exactly do you think we should do against a superior force?
I'd let him answer, but surely our intelligence should have spotted the intrusions much earlier, and if they did, we should have reinforced better? We just got schooled here, let's be honest. Letting Nepal walk into Chinese arms and show us the finger is probably our worst diplomatic defeat in ages.

Now it's too late to do anything of course. China will only get more aggressive if we tried to probably push some influence in Tibet etc.
 
"China tried its best to resolve the [border] issue amicably, and through talks. But India did not take it with the same spirit, and continued constructions in the disputed region, which led to a bloody clash," Pakistan's Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi said in a statement.

"This is an extraordinary situation, which has been seen in the form of a bloody clash after several decades. This clearly is the result of India's Hindutva ideology," Qureshi asserted.

Supporting Beijing's "principled" stand on the border dispute with India, he said: "The 3,500-kilometer [2,174-mile] border of Ladakh and Tibet is a disputed region. If India thinks it can devour this area, then perhaps, it would not be acceptable to China."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/asia-pacific/pakistan-supports-china-on-border-tensions-with-india/1879965
Balderdash. This is all nonsense because neither the Johnson line nor the McCartney-Macdonald line supports the current Chinese position since 1962, much less the current intrusions further across the LAC.

There is absolutely no principle to stand on, except for China's traditional poke-and-see methods which the CCP uses everywhere from HK to Taiwan to South China sea to the ASEAN countries. Its a slow and efficient way to get other's territory.

We got beat in 62 because of our stupid Forward Policy and effectively have given away territory which China will never give up. But for Pakistan to support this citing principle is rich
 
War is out of the question. And anyway it's just too late now, the land grab has already happened. We're never getting that back. China are now already claiming the Galwan valley as indisputable territory of theirs:lol: And as long as the ineptitude continues, we'll continue to lose land.
This in a nutshell. Tariffs would be difficult to impose under WTO unless we find a way to sanction them. We have a large trade deficit too. There is no easy fix
 
I'm just doing what he's done himself.





You'll find some from Shah and the rest of the crew as well but I can be assed to search for them.


He was opposition party leader and will going to ask questions. Even Raga doing same now.
Also in 2013 things were bit different as well.

What you want is PM do address everything and give PCs every day through media.
But thats not his style, he don't give PCs, but that doesn't means we don't have information.
Different government bodies gives us information.
For example
Finance news given by FM / RBI, Health news given by HM, Change in policy news given by Niti Ayog (Policy Makers).

Now If you have problem with his policies and Ideology then I understand, you are entitle to your opinion.
But your point is he don't give us information and don't PCs then you are wrong.
We have enough information.

And beside if I may ask you why you have so much trust on Indian reporters?
Given how idiots they are the first question they going ask will be about 'Ram Mandir', even though PCs is about India - China border issue.
 
He was opposition party leader and will going to ask questions. Even Raga doing same now.
Also in 2013 things were bit different as well.

What you want is PM do address everything and give PCs every day through media.
But thats not his style, he don't give PCs, but that doesn't means we don't have information.
Different government bodies gives us information.
For example
Finance news given by FM / RBI, Health news given by HM, Change in policy news given by Niti Ayog (Policy Makers).

Now If you have problem with his policies and Ideology then I understand, you are entitle to your opinion.
But your point is he don't give us information and don't PCs then you are wrong.
We have enough information.

And beside if I may ask you why you have so much trust on Indian reporters?
Given how idiots they are the first question they going ask will be about 'Ram Mandir', even though PCs is about India - China border issue.
Bit rich to question the quality of Indian journalism when the lower end of the standards scale is occupied by his own worshippers.

I don't understand this whole he has a huge job and give him a break. We would do too if he actually was doing things. From the start, in some perverse way or another, the current breakdown on multiple fronts, from economy to foreign affairs is the present Governments doing. Lackadaisical policy implementation, weak follow ups and being brutal towards critique while surrounding themselves and the nation with sycophants and joingoists has come home to roost. You can break this down in any way you want, but the handling of affairs has been meek. Not to mention the severe breakdown in the social well-being of the nation.

And yes, I did say he. If people in this country are going attribute any positive to him and him alone (Modi's Govt) then you should put all shortcomings on him as well.
 
I'm not too clued up on Indian politics so would you explain the differences?
In 2013 Chines solders invaded in LOC just like they did now.
We have same kind of stand-of with china as right now (without casualties).

The issue is that there are lots of rummer going on. and no one to clear that up.
For example, I heard the rummer that chines solders invade LOC way before reported date by government but no one was their clear that up.
Our policy was very defensive at that time as well,
Also there are lots of reports that we didn't do any infrastructure near LOC and because of that Indian solders had very hard time to reach dispute territory.

The other issue was lots of people thought government was weak and internal politics was very ugly at time.
People were fade up with government.
One of big reason Modi got power was UPA2 own downfall.

I can go on and on but I think you got the picture.
 
Bit rich to question the quality of Indian journalism when the lower end of the standards scale is occupied by his own worshippers.

I don't understand this whole he has a huge job and give him a break. We would do too if he actually was doing things. From the start, in some perverse way or another, the current breakdown on multiple fronts, from economy to foreign affairs is the present Governments doing. Lackadaisical policy implementation, weak follow ups and being brutal towards critique while surrounding themselves and the nation with sycophants and joingoists has come home to roost. You can break this down in any way you want, but the handling of affairs has been meek. Not to mention the severe breakdown in the social well-being of the nation.

And yes, I did say he. If people in this country are going attribute any positive to him and him alone (Modi's Govt) then you should put all shortcomings on him as well.
Bit rich? I don't give actual feck what journalist worship or not, I have enough understanding that they are not good enough.

As for your big rant I already say I don't have problem with what people opinion regarding him, I am not on his payroll.
FYI I was UPA voter till 2009 ( yes I am that idiot).
The give him break comment was meant to tell he didn't have to come to PCs as different government bodies give us information.

Find me one post where I praise Modi.
Please stop painting every one 'Modi's bhakt' when some has different of opinion than you.
Remember there are lots of propaganda going on in India and from both side. We need to use our own brain to see the truth.
Not everything is supper great in India, also not everything is going down in India.
 
Can't see India wanting to escalate matters with China. Would be a nightmare for them.
Yes. But appeasement does not work and we will continue to lose strategically important territory.

I wonder whether an Indian government will one day say feck it, we'll allow a US base offshore. Just guarantee us the firepower to counter the noisy neighbours. All this non alignment theory clearly does not work so might as well be a counterweight to China by firmly being in the US camp. Nightmare situation all round.
 
Yes. But appeasement does not work and we will continue to lose strategically important territory.

I wonder whether an Indian government will one day say feck it, we'll allow a US base offshore. Just guarantee us the firepower to counter the noisy neighbours.

It's hard really as you can't go toe to toe with them. Is there anything you can do diplomatically to hurt them?
 
It's hard really as you can't go toe to toe with them. Is there anything you can do diplomatically to hurt them?
Nope. Diplomacy doesn't work with the CCP. And our trade deficit with them is so bad that we can't slap tariffs or avoid imports. Our infrastructure is 2 decades behind, and that is being generous. We are a backwater village compared to China. Our military will punch above their weight though, as it has rich combat experience. But the mandarins in South Block won't or can't let give the military free reign. It'll open up 2 or 3 fronts and we'll be on the way to a full-on nuclear brawl.
 
Nope. Diplomacy doesn't work with the CCP. And our trade deficit with them is so bad that we can't slap tariffs or avoid imports. Our infrastructure is 2 decades behind, and that is being generous. We are a backwater village compared to China. Our military will punch above their weight though, as it has rich combat experience. But the mandarins in South Block won't or can't let give the military free reign. It'll open up 2 or 3 fronts and we'll be on the way to a full-on nuclear brawl.

I think it would be a massacre personally if you try and engage with the Chinese military. The best bet would be to let this settle down.
 
I think it would be a massacre personally if you try and engage with the Chinese military. The best bet would be to let this settle down.
Agreed completely, but this is essentially kicking the can down the road. We will eventually have some sort of a conflict someday.
 
I think it would be a massacre personally if you try and engage with the Chinese military. The best bet would be to let this settle down.

Agreed. China are just too powerful to risk military action.