Umm just look at the averages in all 3 formats between the two players and then come back and say that again with a straight face. Clown take
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Umm just look at the averages in all 3 formats between the two players and then come back and say that again with a straight face. Clown take
The way I saw it that was all down to Nawaz. I doubt Babar would have wanted him to bowl the last over but Nawaz had gone for 22 on his penultimate over so Babar tried to delay his final over as late as possible and use his striker bowlers to take the game away from India before Nawaz bowled again. Having 18 to defend was still Pakistan’s game. The poor bowling by Nawaz killed them.
It’s really not. Kohli has been thoroughly average over the last 2 years. This performance was superb, but he’s fallen behind the others now.
Luckily, his careers are a lot longer than 2 years.
Can always trust Pakistan to give out of form players some form back!
Ya but the claim was best batsman of his generation, which is more than just a 2 year span. You look at the span of the career and Kohli was so brilliant prior to the last 2 years that despite the lean spell, others haven't overtaken him in that regard. It's really not that close mate, especially when you take record in chases into account.
That's why he made that statement. If Root was playing he would have used "very good batsman".
Problem is 2 years is a really long time to be our of form, any lead he had over the others has been eaten into. Still a brilliant batsman, it's arguable who is the best, he's definitely up there though.
The 4th seamer has to be a serious consideration on these pitches. I hope the management isn’t stubborn to continue with what has worked in UAE/Pakistani conditions but play to what is actually in front of them.
Look at Virat’s record for the last several years and tell me how he’s the greatest with a straight face. The makeup must have run into the eyes of anyone who can say that whenever he’s “batted”
Selecting Shadab and Nawaz is not the problem because both are better batsmen than Haider and Asif Ali. They need to bin off one of the latter for a 4th seamer. Not having the 6th bowling option will always be a killer if one of the bowlers have an off day.
I am not familiar with their bowling options. Was there any other pacer available? Also were either of the spinners all rounders like Axar Patel?
Not in ODIs or T20Is, again you aren't looking at the data. Kohli's average is nearly 58 in ODIs and 50 in T20Is. That's insane. Sorry but Root doesn't win that match today.
You are a complete dumbass if you think Root is best batsman of his generation, it's not even close. Kohli puts everyone into shade when you consider his consistency, longevity and performances across all 3 formats. If you are using Test Cricket as the sole metric, then Steve Smith shits on him from a great height
Even with Kohli in shit form for 2 years, he's leagues ahead of everyone in white ball cricket, and his Test average is touch worse than the batsman going through a purple patch. Levels to this
Even with Kohli in shit form for 2 years, he's leagues ahead of everyone in white ball cricket, and his Test average is touch worse than the batsman going through a purple patch. Levels to this
Greatest of generation. That's more than last 2-3 yrs no?
How? He's still by miles the best limited overs batsman of his generation. The rest of the big 4 can't even touch him any of the short formats.
Test matches sure, he's probably the third best now after Smith & Root - where a few years ago you'd have him second to Smith. Williamson's been dreadful for a long, long time now as well.
Pakistan have Hasnain and Wasim who are seam bowlers as well.
In fact with Hasnain, Rauf, Shah and Afridi, pakistan have 4 bowlers who can consistently bowl 90+ mph.
Feel bad for Pakistan to be fair, they played a great match. I'm dumbfounded how they didn't play with 4 seamers though, anyone can provide insight as to why?
Call me old fashioned but test cricket will always be the true test of a cricketer.
This was just too good. Hard luck to Pakistan but Kohli is special
Nawaz was absolutely awful. Complete bottle job.
Ya but it's hardly like Root is far and away better than Kohli in that even when you take entire careers into account. Steven Smith is the best Test batsman of this generation far away anyways so if you were sticking to that, your point would still be off.
But I never said Root was the best? All I've said it's arguable who is the best, its pretty close.
Utterly hopeless for 20% of his career and the greatest of a generation? That bar is on the ground
I don’t have a dog in the fight, but Kohli has been the better batsman of his generation than Root for me.
I'll take the player who's produced an average of 50 in all 3 formats any day of the week. You can't put a price tag on that sort of productivity, plus Kohli is under far more pressure to perform than any of the others. Just look at the media coverage prior to the WC. That doesn't take away from the other players though, they all are a treat to watch.
Special kudos to Ashwin. So much calm for the situation.
That’s the first time india have ever won a game after being 32-4. That just highlights how amazing that chase was considering the magnitude and pressure of the event.
What a ridiculously dim-witted post.
Joe Root's Stats:
| Format | M | Inn | Runs | Avg | SR | 100s | 50s | 4s | 6s |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Test 2012– | 124 | 228 | 10504 | 50.0 | 55.5 | 28 | 54 | 1168 | 28 |
| ODI 2013– | 148 | 143 | 6158 | 50.5 | 87.1 | 16 | 36 | 490 | 46 |
| T20I 2012–19 | 32 | 30 | 893 | 35.7 | 126.3 | 0 | 5 | 92 | 16 |
Virat Kohli's Stats:
| Format | M | Inn | Runs | Avg | SR | 100s | 50s | 4s | 6s |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Test 2011– | 102 | 173 | 8074 | 49.5 | 55.7 | 27 | 28 | 910 | 24 |
| ODI 2008– | 254 | 250 | 12254 | 57.5 | 93.1 | 43 | 63 | 1154 | 125 |
| T20I 2010– | 105 | 100 | 3701 | 51.4 | 138.0 | 1 | 33 | 329 | 109 |
Steve Smith's Stats:
| Format | M | Inn | Runs | Avg | SR | 100s | 50s | 4s | 6s |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Test 2010– | 87 | 154 | 8161 | 60.0 | 54.1 | 28 | 36 | 900 | 45 |
| ODI 2010– | 128 | 117 | 4611 | 43.9 | 87.4 | 12 | 26 | 404 | 45 |
| T20I 2010– | 58 | 47 | 980 | 26.5 | 125.6 | 0 | 4 | 81 | 24 |
Root for all his dominance over 'the last few years when Kohli has been average batsman' has 0.5 better average and 1 additional Test ton as compared to Kohli. As others have pointed out - Steve Smith is a better Test player than both Root and Kohli.
I would say that it's arguable between Smith and Kohli and only these two for greatest cricketer of the generation title, in fact (depending on how you rate one form of cricket over others). For me and many others, consistency and brilliance across all formats (and the fact that he's not been officially been caught and banned for cheating at any point in his career) puts Kohli over Steve Smith.
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Yeah, id go with that. Would be silly to argue that imo. I cant see Root winning that for India.
Root is still good but no way better than Kohli overall.
To be honest I don’t actually think Root is the greatest I just knew it would rile Kohli fans
Kohli certainly isn’t though, possibly the most overrated of all time
That was great match. Impressive knock from Virat.
Although I think Kohli is better than Root, I do agree Kohli is over rated as well. Great batsmen but never in the conversation amongst the greatest.To be honest I don’t actually think Root is the greatest I just knew it would rile Kohli fans
Kohli certainly isn’t though, possibly the most overrated of all time
That no ball was an absolute BS decision. Kohli played the ball well ahead of his body and it was still inline with his waist, and then consider that it was a spinner bowling. In my years of cricket I've never seen a spinner be called for a ball on those margins.
Oh and Shaheen is clearly at 70-80%. He isn't running in as quickly as he can and his pace is down too. I understand this is a world cup and India, but you're risking long term consequences for bringing him back this year.
He's still only 21, it's not as if it's last chance at a world cup. Shouldn't be played for matches against the weaker opponents in the group now.
But also a word for Kohli, my god what an innings, those two shots off Rauf in the second last over were amazing.
Oh and Shaheen is clearly at 70-80%. He isn't running in as quickly as he can and his pace is down too. I understand this is a world cup and India, but you're risking long term consequences for bringing him back this year.
He's still only 21, it's not as if it's last chance at a world cup. Shouldn't be played for matches against the weaker opponents in the group now.
But also a word for Kohli, my god what an innings, those two shots off Rauf in the second last over were amazing.
To be honest I don’t actually think Root is the greatest I just knew it would rile Kohli fans
Kohli certainly isn’t though, possibly the most overrated of all time
The better test player is where it's at.
You do remember Root's quiet period between 2018 and 2020? Which comprised nearly 30 test matches where he was averaging around 39-40. That's a 3 year period of Joe's 11 year career. More than 40%.
Agree it was nonsense.
What a stat
Personally I prefer snooker