The pakistan v South Africa game will probably decide who else qualifies from this group.
ICC T20 World Cup 2022
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Imagine calling Kohli overrated. Can only happen in caf.
Yeah small stuff like that made the difference as both teams were not giving up till the end. 115 runs in last 10 overs with the attack you have, its an incredible effort. I know it sucks to lose but Pakistan were bloody brilliant today. Long tournament ahead but good start for both teams.
Salty replies with anything related to India is quite common here.
That's why I mostly stick to Football part of the forum.Indian fans talking about salt
I’d say they’re neck and neck. Kohli has a lot of credit in the bank given how good he was at the start of his career, but Babar has been second to none these last few years.
Will be interesting to see who has the better end to their career.
this thread is going well
Ponting is an all time great. I'd take that comparison anyday as Kohli.
Amazing innings by the GOAT... Just doing his thing.
If Saj Sadiq says it is then clearly it isn't. The guy is a complete goon always fishing for sound bytes.
That was never a no ball and the umpire should have done better but I felt like Kohli probably would have pulled it off anyway.
That six to Harris rauf down the wicker summed up the sort of form he was in
Nawaz was trash in that last over, no doubt. But that no ball was still BS
Those wides as well, ffs man. I used to give him a lot of credit before for being someone who can bowl last overs under pressure, he's done that in the PSL. His bowling has been out of touch since the Asia Cup. Might be sacrificed for M.Wasim in the next match.
Being a bit harsh. He was trying to follow the batsman and messed it up. It happens. It had to be someone's day.
Not to mention the pressure of that over. It can get to anyone. It got to pandeya, DK and well technically even Kohli completely missed his free hit.
It's harsh to say he can't bowl last overs after this.
Unbelievable game of cricket.
papered over a lot of cracks in our team though, that six over Haris Rauf will be the shot of the tournament.
papered over a lot of cracks in our team though, that six over Haris Rauf will be the shot of the tournament.
Also, I think a lot of them assumed it was dead ball so not sure can blame them for it.
They need to change that rule really. How can bowlers set a field for that ?
They're professionals man, they should know this.
That's why the win is more pleasing because it leaves a bitter taste in the losers mouth
It's being missed but I thought DK absolutely lost it. 2 balls 2 runs and that's the shot he plays?
That's what pressure does and DK is someone who is known to handle it well. It was a good game of cricket.
That is true. Rahul will score some runs and will fail in semis.
He has Netherlands next - happy days for him
I do think there is a good player in him, especially when he plays with full intent. But last 3 years he has just become stat padder who fails in big games.
It's pressure. All of them felt it. If Ashwin missed his shot they'd be at him as well
Of course. But that's the thing right. DK is in there to be a finisher but Ashwin showed more composure.
Usually get good debate in the Cricket thread. Terrible 'banter' and shit trolling in here today.
Sort it out lads, great game of Cricket. Full ground, two proper Cricket nations. Kohli amazing. Loads to enjoy.
Sort it out lads, great game of Cricket. Full ground, two proper Cricket nations. Kohli amazing. Loads to enjoy.
Rohit and Rahul were so passive against Shaheen, it's clear they felt the pressure. Surya got a great ball tbf.
Talking of Shaheen, clearly looked like he lacked match fitness.
On pitches like this South Africa will be a team to watch imo.
Talking of Shaheen, clearly looked like he lacked match fitness.
On pitches like this South Africa will be a team to watch imo.
SA definetly the team coming in under the radar. Solid side with some stand out bowlers and Miller on fire.
Starting this debate after THIS innings is even more insane..
They really need to drop Bavuma, that's the obvious weak link.
He is horrible against spin when is starting out, just tries to sweep everything.
So why is KL Rahul in the Iineup?
I feel for Bavuma. Feels like he's being hung out to dry. Badly managed.
Overall thoughts.
First innings, I think our bowling is not great as it is being made out. Pak go to a par or even above par score despite losing their two best batsmen. We actually bowled too many way ward balls in middle innings even other than that Axar over, which did not put Pak batsman in as much pressure as it could have been. Then despite pak middle order imploding, we did not finish well. Better death bowling and you limit them to somewhere between 140-150. We simply will struggle in a lot of tight situations having to rely on Bhuvi and Shami at death. I think we should try out Hardik there I believe.
Batting wise, Pak bowled well but that was expected. If even one of Rohit or KL sees out first 6 with Kohli, I am certain that we would have won relatively easily. Pak will need a 6th bowling option to have a realistic chance of winning the tournament.
I also thunk it is harsh to say that Nawaz cost Pak that match. Lack of 6th option and Babar gambling on him bowling last over as a spinner is not him. He already was put in similar situation in Asia cup match which India won so pressure would have been even more on him. The no ball, its 50/50. Perhaps it is not but I think it is a bonkers rule to expect on field umpires to get it right every-time in real time. About 10 times harder than even offsides in football. The supposed "dead ball" complaints make no sense given if them are the rules then why cry about it?
First innings, I think our bowling is not great as it is being made out. Pak go to a par or even above par score despite losing their two best batsmen. We actually bowled too many way ward balls in middle innings even other than that Axar over, which did not put Pak batsman in as much pressure as it could have been. Then despite pak middle order imploding, we did not finish well. Better death bowling and you limit them to somewhere between 140-150. We simply will struggle in a lot of tight situations having to rely on Bhuvi and Shami at death. I think we should try out Hardik there I believe.
Batting wise, Pak bowled well but that was expected. If even one of Rohit or KL sees out first 6 with Kohli, I am certain that we would have won relatively easily. Pak will need a 6th bowling option to have a realistic chance of winning the tournament.
I also thunk it is harsh to say that Nawaz cost Pak that match. Lack of 6th option and Babar gambling on him bowling last over as a spinner is not him. He already was put in similar situation in Asia cup match which India won so pressure would have been even more on him. The no ball, its 50/50. Perhaps it is not but I think it is a bonkers rule to expect on field umpires to get it right every-time in real time. About 10 times harder than even offsides in football. The supposed "dead ball" complaints make no sense given if them are the rules then why cry about it?
His numbers in IPL purely in form of runs are insane last 3-4 seasons. He has done well for India intermittently. But it is also true that he simply does not deliver in big matches. His record is wretched.
Badly managed in what sense? It was bit of a joke that he was keeping out Reza Hendricks in the t20 series against India. I think they do need to drop him but probably can't due to quota.
The quota is more complex than that. It's an average required over the season rather than game by game.
The above explanation hints at why I think he's been poorly managed. Easy scapegoat.
Happy to type in more detail later but in the pub for now
So true.
We desperately need a left hander at the top of the order and cannot understand why pant gets overlooked so much by this management. He will get dead rubber somewhere and will be forgotten if we get to the knock out stages.
Bowling -- I think we'll peak in the powerplay in every game. A few good overs and downhill from there. I also think we have many bowlers of caliber across formats, but not necessarily T20, who'll have great games but not a great tournament - Axar, Shami, Ashwin being three such bowlers - and hopefully their good games come in crunch situations. The worry today is that Axar looked very ineffective.. he relies on that subtle help from the pitch and was just bowling straight ones today. One option to consider is Chahal in the 11 and move Ashwin to 7, but that makes the batting decidedly weaker. If the learning from IPL 2022 was anything, T20 can be played as a game of 6 batters, and we definitely have the plodders to make that work. Shami was another worry but he was brilliant in Australia in 2015 ODI WC, and I think he can get a lot better than today with match fitness. You never know which Shami's going to turn up in this format, though.
Rahul - bit like Fernando Torres at Chelsea the moment he puts on India clothes. He is now a gun player in tests, so it's not a question of temperament. He makes spades of runs as IPL captain, so it's not entirely about pressure -- possibly playing for India is a different kind of pressure he feels. At any rate, I would continue to back him. If he comes off, he wins matches IMO.
I have to disagree with you on the last point -- sure they lacked a sixth bowler, but Babar was forced to keep him aside after he got battered in his first spell.. now keeping him aside till the 20th may have been an error but I think Nawaz had a very poor game.
Lots of calls for Pant -- love the player, but his best position is taken by Virat Kohli today IMO. I do think it's possible that if Rahul keeps failing that Pant gets a go as an opener.
I like the way our fixtures go. A win here, an easier game next and then a tough game next weekend. I think we'll be in the final.
I am curious how many of the people in this thread would've brought Kohli to the WC. I was definitely in the "Kohli out" camp.
On bowling, Ashwin will never a match winning spinner in T20s. At best he is great to have if you a spinner like Axar or Chahal doing damage and then he will pile on the pressure even more by not leaking big runs. I actually have more confidence in Axar coming good. Too early to count him out on basis of one over. I am surprised you think there can be a such a direct correlation between IPL and T20 WC. No side with Boult like player at number 8 is getting to final in this tournament. Batting depth can win you games easily. Only reason Pak got 159 today despite that middle order collapse is because of their batting depth. As it is our batting depth is bad, Ashwin at 7 would be a crazy move and put even more pressure on DK and Hardik in later stages of the game.
Temperament required for tests is different that these kind of limited over games. At the end of the day he needs to perform in big games, especially chases to fit the billing given him. I will believe him as a match winner when I see it. Personally I would rather have a less consistent Shaw like batsman up top who is going to destroy attacks when he gets going. We saw the impact that can have in NZ game.
I think Pant getting dropped from 11 is deserved given his lack of form in T20s but I also think he is one of our better attackers on pitches that seam or bounce more than sub continental ones. If he was in any semblance of form, he would 100% play over DK given we badly need a left armer in middle order.
We should make the semis now, especially since we are more likely to bank big RR wins against fodder than Pak. So even with loss against SA, I would be confident of making it.
Would've been great if he had been left home
His performances in the Asia Cup impressed me & I thought it at the time that he's showing signs of form at a nice time heading into the WC. Today was vintage Kohli.