I would say that SA and even now, Aus, still have a higher ceiling but I like that NZ don't have much variance to their performances, they generally are consistent and thus more reliable. On paper ENG should have been doing better, not sure what happened, especially Bairstow who does well in the IPL.
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I would say that SA and even now, Aus, still have a higher ceiling but I like that NZ don't have much variance to their performances, they generally are consistent and thus more reliable. On paper ENG should have been doing better, not sure what happened, especially Bairstow who does well in the IPL.
Well to be far barring 2019 wc semis and maybe 2017 CT trophy final we have never been favorites to begin with. The NZ game is a scar that will remain in our fans life. We should have won that game but we choked.
I feel we look really good to dominate any time unless we have another 2019 wc repeat.
Yeah their consistency is class - makes them such a good tournament side in these league formats.
Fair point. Still NZ are a hard team to beat. Not champions stuff by any means but can beat a India or Eng on their day.
I think this is unnecessarily pessimistic and not objective, sure India could always choke in the knockouts but you could say that about any team in this tournament. However, this is a better and more balanced side than 2019 in all departments and so I don't get many of the comparisons.
It was because of Kohli innings that we could afford not taking a single. Seems like people find things to get mad about. Result would not have changed either way. Kohli ensured that before he got out going for his hundred. Far from “embarrassing”
We would most likely top the table now. So NRR wont make that much of a difference. We have more or less qualified for semi finals as well.
We would most likely top the table now. So NRR wont make that much of a difference. We have more or less qualified for semi finals as well.
India don't have a reputation for 'choking' KO games outside of Indian fans in this thread BTW. It's not something we talk about in England.
I'm not fully confident either. I think we'll struggle chasing a 330+
Agreed, India loses matches like any other side but they don't do so because they wilt under pressure, the mentality is usually pretty good.
Massive over reaction to refusing a single/playing for milestones. One could argue that drive and hunger is what makes him the best ODI player ever.
Drive and hunger to win the game ideally...
But it is still a very weird criticism especially since he makes sure India is on a winning end. We were coasting comfortably thanks to his knock so no issue if he is trying to get the 100 as well as the win. Not sure how that is selfish.
Because it walks along that very akward line between favouring his 100 over the teams win.
I agree it's not something to hammer him over - the main thing he did today was a great knock, but it's no surprise an Indian Captain in a home world cup basically overtly playing for himself two matches in a row is going to attract some raised eye brows.
I thought the optics were shit, if you didn't care fair enough.
But he never chose his milestone over team's 100 though. The complexion of the game was already decided. There is no way a side would lose needing 5 runs of 17 balls. If it was 5 of an over then your point would have made sense.
I still don't get it how is that playing for himself. He scored a magnificent 100 against Ban helping the side win the match. And even today he held the innings together and made sure India win. Calling that selfish is a weird take. In fact He played for the team and helped his team win the match. Like the other poster said some here are just finding a way to get mad about anything.
I'm definetly not mad about it - I posted at the time it didn't sit right. More interesting to discuss than the game itself so here I am,
For a neutral this was a boring game especially since India won. Had NZ chased down the same target people would have had more to discuss. People may call it a routine win but from Indian perspective this was a solid and important win. We have a poor record against NZ in ICC events and also NZ till now look a side well drilled to win matches without much entertainment. I enjoyed India's performance today more than the other 4 games that they had won.
We were never losing that once he was in the 90s. I'm almost certain freakish things like that have never occured. Even Malingas 4 wickets in an over couldn't secure a win back in 2007.
I fully get people defending/not caring. Fair enough. Didn't give the right vibe to me, think twice in a row really rubbed it in.
I get you. I'm actually neither here or there with it. But he's 2 away from 50 ODI centuries. That's an incredible feat. he's chasing.
I wanted to go to tomorrow's game Pak v Afganistan..
I can't buy it online because I have to pick up a physical ticket at the counter.. and the ticket counter - you wont believe this - is closed on matchday..
Is it this stupid in the other cities as well?
I can't buy it online because I have to pick up a physical ticket at the counter.. and the ticket counter - you wont believe this - is closed on matchday..
Is it this stupid in the other cities as well?
You're missing the reason for the criticism. People(including me) think it's a team sport where the team winning should be put above personal milestones.
Rohit has put the team above his stats - he is going out there, leaving runs behind because he wants a fast start, and is the reason we can have Virat and KL playing the way they are. He's leading by example. Virat is not.
Doing it against Bangladesh was tacky. Doing it against NZ with a small probability of a loss - teams have lost from that position - is more than that. He refused a 2 much earlier to that as well and I suspect it was for the same reason.
Crazy
My brother was saying you can get the physical tickets at bookmyshow box office in Bangalore, not sure about other cities.I think worth trying your luck outside the ground, people will be selling.
The team wanted him to do that. Entire crowd and probably a billion people wanted him to do that. Its like giving a penalty to a teammate to score for his hattrick when you are winning 5-0. Nobody complains about it either way. Same nobody should complain about this either. If Jadeja had hit the boundary to win the game, nobody would have complained. Letting team mate get to a deserved hundred when the game is already won, i dont see any big deal in that.
This was no ordinary hundred also, Kohli would have equalled the Sachin 49 hundred record. In 2019 world cup, Kohli had like 50+ score in every match. So its not like he always goes for it. Yesterday he deserved it and we were in a situation where he can do it. All thanks to him ofcourse. I remember how Dhoni didnt hit the winning shot against Australia in 2016 world cup and let Kohli had that moment. I would argue thats a team performance.
As long as we win, and teammates are okay with it, its no big deal. It’s unnecessary hatred towards one of our greatest players of all time.
I had old Kohli down as GOAT because he was a badass with elite mentality who only cared about getting the job done. Aesthetically he was the best. This version of him trying to calculate remaining runs, hogging the strike and turning down singles just so he can get to a century is seriously lame.
Seems the lean 2 year period he had has made him pursue personal milestones now that he has regained form, which is not a great sign of elite mentality. Hopefully last night was a wake up call for him before he goes into full CR7 statpadder mode.
Seems the lean 2 year period he had has made him pursue personal milestones now that he has regained form, which is not a great sign of elite mentality. Hopefully last night was a wake up call for him before he goes into full CR7 statpadder mode.
100% agree but expect a barrage of insults coming your way.
Dreadful post.
Barrage of insults from whom?
Most people already put Kohli as a knockouts choker. And as Samid said, now he is also a group stage stat padder.
You know what's most baffling is that this kind of mindset is being encouraged by the whole team and the management , when we have a coach who famously declared the inning in a test match when Tendulkar was approaching double hundred because he wanted to give his team best chance to force the result and the Captain who is actually leading by example by playing ultra aggressively to set the tone while not caring about his personal record .
It just doesn't sit right with me .
It just doesn't sit right with me .
Agree with every single word in this post.
Kohli is as clutch as you can get. It's like calling Ronaldo a stat padder. Ridiculous.
I think they'd talk to him about it but they don't see it worth it because his runs are important for now and it's a world cup.
i heard kohli wouldn’t even phone for an ambulance for his collapsed nan until he brought up his 50 in stick cricket on his phone.
You think there's a Kohli hatred in here? That's a bit odd
He's played 6 ODI WC knockout matches and made 75 runs total. Of this, 3 were semis and he made totally 10 runs.
T20 world cups - he'd have done well.
Clearly an all time great in bilaterals, but is not in the discussion for an all time 11 for ODI world cups.
I hope he has a good world cup this time.
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Playing out like a typical Chepauk match
Spin into it mid-innings
Spin into it mid-innings
If the game was on the line, he wouldn't do it. NRR doesn't matter when you're 5 out of 5.
It genuinely doesn't seem like a big deal at all. Both games were won.
He's just like all of us then?
I never even mentioned NRR unless Games are washed off it hardly ever becomes relevant in tournaments fans make it bigger deal than it is .
Its actually the mindset which I am questioning it doesnt look a big deal right now but it is , I have seen this enough times from Indian batsman where they slow down while approaching milestones and that can backfire as it can halt the momentum you just had to see the innings of Mitchell yesterday to see how it impact the game thats the kind of scenario I am afraid of in Knock out game .
Pakistan just can't play spin. Couldn't even connect with the free hit.
Spin destroying Pakistan again.