Yeah very little “strategy” in those decisions and more just sort of like T20 cricket where they’re overly confident of chasing any total batting second.
ICC Cricket World Cup 2023
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Embarrassing for Bangladesh to lose to these useless idiots
Buttler sounds a lot like KL Rahul as captain.
Nah, Australia 1992 still worse as they were at home.
India's biggest worry is their record of choking in big games. They shouldn't mess this up in these conditions but we'll see.
He's had some very difficult circumstances. We've played next to no ODI cricket since 2019, the side is on its last legs and we've had lots of injuries.
That said, this whole tournament has been a shambles, right from the mess over Brook.
As said previously (and hopefully this doesn't come across as sexist) it felt like he was appointed because of his record in the women's game. Surely he needed a track record of winning trophies in men's cricket??
You'd think he'd be on borrowed time now. Morgan must be in the frame for the coaching job.
That was an embarrassing loss.
World Cup is over. Hopefully chance for a refreshed side and maybe even with Archer leading the way?
He's crocked, no chance IMO
Sam Hain needs to be given a chance in there. Great OD record.
The commentators said the last time they chased more than 250 was a few years ago thought
All our ODI stats are meaningless lately as we never play a full team.
I had it typed out from an hour before but it wouldn’t send because I had no reception!
Anywho, let’s see how Wood and Atkinson get on.
Agree - who would you keep / who would you move on?
I think bringing Stokes back in backfired - England have been playing relatively well without him, and they didn’t need to crowbar him back in the lineup. Don’t agree with dropping Moeen either.
It’s so odd seeing how poor Wood and Woakes are when they’re out of English conditions. I’m trying to think of another player that looked that poor once out of their home conditions (maybe Trescothick?).
Tbf, it’s been a great cycle for this England team in white ball cricket. Time to reset and rebuild though.
To be fair Stokes still has a match winning performance in him (We saw that as recently as the ashes where he went ballistic after the Bairstow incident in what was basically a period of limited overs batting) so you can see the rationale in bringing him back for one more go. He is very much a big game player
He’s great in Test cricket but he should have remained retired in ODIs. He has a big innings in him, but so do most of England’s top 6/7. And his bowling is nonexistent now.
Stokes coming back in may or may not be the right call but it had nothing to do with today
I think Moeen’s been dealt a bum hand making way for him though. Not that it would have changed the result.
Moeen has done nothing to earn a place in this side really
I'm fine with the Stokes selection. There was space for a batsman and he was still the best option, given Roy's injuries and loss of form. Brook hasn't excelled in several ODIs now other than one or two good knocks. But, best Stokes moves on now.
Woakes away record is awful compared to his home record. I think it's more pronounced in tests than white ball, so I was hoping he'd still be reasonably efficient if called upon. I wouldn't have selected him though, I'd have had Moeen, Livingstone, Rashid, Curran, Wood and Topley. Three spinners in these conditions would have been better, unless the seamers are too good to leave out. That said Wood was poor too who in theory should be less reliant on English conditions because pace is useful in any conditions. Curran was poor too, with both bat and ball.
I think going forwards the team we saw vs Ireland will be the bulk of the squad, plus Brook, Livingstone, Curran, Topley and Atkinson who are young enough to build around for the next world cup. Buttler should stay in the team but probably shouldn't keep the captaincy. So a squad/team like: Salt, Jacks, Crawley, Duckett, Brook, Hain, Livingstone, there's a couple decent young white ball keepers whose names I forget, Buttler, Livingstone, Ahmed, Hartley, Carse, Potts. Then there's a good 7 or 8 seamers under 30 in and around, both Overtons, Archer, Mahmood, Tongue, Scrimshaw, Cook, Fisher etc who've played for England in the last couple years. There's also a load of younger players doing well in County who may be a few years away yet, but expect one or two to break through in the next year or two. And players who have been in the setup but fallen out of favour but young enough to bounce back like Banton, Parkinson, Garton.
Malan, Mooen, Rashid, Woakes, Wood, Willey are too old for the next WC most likely. Root, Bairstow and Stokes age wise would be OK if they were white ball specialists like Buttler, but given they are features in the test side it'd be better for them to do as Broad and Anderson did and pick one format. How often do they even play 50 over cricket throughout the year? Barely ever. Bairstow possibly if he stepped aside from tests allowing Foakes in could remain as a white ball specialist but his performances were awful so maybe not.
I think it'll be a couple of rocky years though as the younger players who will be coming in don't have much experience. The older players are all around the same age so if they all go at once rather than in spaced out departures it will leave a side short of experience and leadership. Some young players may thrive off that but others will crumble.
India in India look as close to unbeatable as Australia did in those peak years.
Can only realistically see South Africa beating them.
Can only realistically see South Africa beating them.
Sad that this England side is going to have such a disastrous ending, you can only see the rest of this tournament getting worse from this point. The players coming through are going to find it tough as well with the lack of 50-over cricket they play.
Aside from all of the obvious things, Root's performances at the start of an innings are a huge issue. He's usually the type of player who comes in and looks comfortable from ball one but he seems to be really struggling against the new ball in this format. Since the last WC he's batted 16 times in the first 10 overs and been dismissed in 9 of them at an average of 5.22! His SR in that period is also very low at 38.84.
Aside from all of the obvious things, Root's performances at the start of an innings are a huge issue. He's usually the type of player who comes in and looks comfortable from ball one but he seems to be really struggling against the new ball in this format. Since the last WC he's batted 16 times in the first 10 overs and been dismissed in 9 of them at an average of 5.22! His SR in that period is also very low at 38.84.
I might be in the minority but I prefer this lineup with Shami in
My team going forward would be:
Salt
Livingstone/Jacks
Crawley
Duckett
Brook
Buttler
Curran
Carse
Rashid/Rehan
Tongue
Wood
Not as formidable as the side that's about to be dismantled but should still be decent.
Jadeja dropping a sitter 
Agree with all of this. My only suggestion would be to open with Livingstone as he used to open for Lancs in 50 and it allows us to play an extra bowler.
Hard to see Bairstow, Root, Woakes or Malan playing another ODI and we already know Stokes and Roy won't. Rashid may hang on another couple of years but you wouldn't bet on it would you.
T20 side will stay largely unchanged for the next WC though.
Ravindra looking like a fantastic talent
Having just 5 bowlers is never a good thing. I seriously miss the days we had batting allrounders like sachin yuvraj sehwag raina.
Kuldeep put under pressure. It used to destroy him in previous years, let's see what happens now.
Poor Kuldeep.. forces a poor shot and Bumrah drops a sitter
3 drops this innings, though Rahul's was a hard one.
What's a good score on this pitch.. because if NZ bat sensibly, 300 is on.. Jadeja has bowled out too..
No idea but 320 should be the least NZ should be targeting Now from the position they are in .
Four overs of bumrah. I think nz will finish 290.
It's a pretty small ground with dodgy outfield and India being pretty generous so far in terms of Catching I think any thing below 320 NZ would be disappointed .
Terrible finishing by Mitchell. His first 30 runs were probably at a faster rate than his final 30.
The pitch seemed to be slowing down towards the end, and the ball is stopping early in certain patches of the ground. This won't be an easy chase, unless dew steps in to take turn away from the spinners and make the outfield faster.
As a neutral found it hard to be enthused about this game. Both these sides likely to stroll through. Suppose it's increasingly ominous if India knock these off trouble free
India will go through regardless of the result today, but NZ aren't guaranteed if they lose. They've basically played all of their easy games. They're now up against all of the teams competing for the qualification spot
The same thing happened at the last WC. They won all their games at the start then struggled over the line when they were up against teams fighting for qualification.