Yeah I agree, I've actually layed them to qualify as I fancy them to lose a couple and look in some strife. Think they'll get over the line though as England (the worst), Australia (far lesser so) and Pakistan (in the middle) look pretty average.
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Yeah I agree, I've actually layed them to qualify as I fancy them to lose a couple and look in some strife. Think they'll get over the line though as England (the worst), Australia (far lesser so) and Pakistan (in the middle) look pretty average.
Boult against India's predominantly right handed batting order will be interesting
He's had a pretty quiet tournament so far against some shit line ups surprisingly. Going ok but no stand out spell..
Topley out for the rest of the WC.
Doubt it will really matter as England arent getting through anyway but it's still another blow , especially for the poor sod.
Doubt it will really matter as England arent getting through anyway but it's still another blow , especially for the poor sod.
Wouldn't mind Livingstone opening but only if there are more all rounders who could fill his place at 6 ir 7. It's not like England have a lack of openers and a ton of middle order batsmen coming through. Duckett, Crawley, Salt and Jacks are all openers, so moving them down the order to push Livingstone up the order doesn't really change anything. It's more about who is batting at 6, 7 and 8.
I think in ODIs it's imperative to have 2 or 3 of your 6 bowling options being strong batsmen, and ideally one or two more who can hit a few. Its allows the specialist batsmen to be more aggressive. England were blessed for years with Stokes and Moeen who were genuine batsmen (Moeen was inconsistent but certainly explosive), plus Woakes, Willey, Rashid, Jordan, Plunkett as bowling all rounders. Livingstone fits the bill, although his bowling isn't as good Moeen's. Curran has potential but so far, beyond a few T20 knocks and big scores in the County Championship, he hasn't really produced in ODIs and doesn't look like a reliable 6/7 just yet. Carse and possibly Atkinson or Jamie Overton are good options at 8-9 but don't think it'd be ideal having them at 6 or 7. Ahmed has scored some runs in County but I'm not sure what his batting is like in white ball, but given his skill with the ball I'm sure the team will be built around him regardless, but if he could be a solid middle order batsmen as well it'd be an incredible bonus.
Basically, England are crying out for the next Botham/Flintoff/Stokes. Every great England side has had a world class all rounder, plus a lower order who can chip in. Livingstone, Jacks, Curran, Carse, Ahmed and maybe Jamie Overton could between them just about be enough but a fully fit Stokes regen would be transformative. Someone who can bowl 10 overs and can finish an innings with the bat, stay in for 20-30 overs if needed, get themselves in and accelerate towards the end is more important in 50 over format, whereas having 3 or 4 players who can chip in with a quick fire 15-20 runs is more beneficial in T20.
The other worry is how little 50 over cricket these players I've mentioned actually play. They are either playing red ball, playing T20 or playing The Hundred. 50 over cricket is at risk of becoming a forgotten and unpractised format.
It wasn’t clear that touched the fingers at all. cnut of an umpire.
This dismissal should be outlawed
This dismissal should be outlawed
Completely brainless bowling by NZ. Why are they trying to ball full with no swing? It was pretty clear from the first innings that bowling on a length is the only way to ball for fast bowlers.
And even when they are bowling length the batsman are struggling to get any runs.
And even when they are bowling length the batsman are struggling to get any runs.
Wickets from two awful deliveries. Not good batting.
Poor wickets to lose. Iyer needs a big innings.
Very good review by NZ.
Yes
It’s a good pitch and a very good match. From 6 no one has batted for india this wc.
India's middle order looks soft. They need to bat first in the rest of the games in this group so they can get them into form, after (pretty much) securing qualification today
What a run out.
Dumb from Virat. Class fielding.
Sensational stuff
India easily winning this unless they do a Pakistan and batting collapse.
Appreciate it may be different for the Indian lads watching your own team win - but christ watching this partnership really has summed up this WC.
A dull controlled stroll to the win. Wanted to turn off 30 mins ago, kept it on incase something interesting happened.
A dull controlled stroll to the win. Wanted to turn off 30 mins ago, kept it on incase something interesting happened.
I love him to bits but Kohli looking to scam another century 
I see we are doing the whole circus for a century thing again.
Or not 
Beautiful karma
This is unbelievable
He refused a single and got out, for Shami to get the runs?
I know it's unlikely we will lose but this is embarrassing
He refused a single and got out, for Shami to get the runs?
I know it's unlikely we will lose but this is embarrassing
I'm really not sure what I think about that - just doesn't quite sit right for me
Very happy with that wicket, last time was fine, he was scoring quickly and it was his 1st century, this was just plain selfish cricket.
It's poor stuff. He could have and likely works have got the century earlier if he really went for it 10 overs ago.
I can't think of any other team/player that would do that? Or am I being naive?
I'm generally a Kohli fan BTW. Think he's beena fantastic advert and Captain for test cricket in particular.
Would 10 points get you through?
Kohli of 3-4 years ago wouldn't. This is new to me really.
Lara made a career out of this type of shit.
Since Kohli became part of the team in 2011, in 50-over ICC tournaments, in group stages, India’s record is 27 wins, 3 defeats, 1 draw. Pretty phenomenal in terms of their strength for over a decade in this format. In the knockouts, it is 7-3.
However, 2015 and later, the group stage record is still a ridiculous 19 wins, 2 defeats but the knockout record is a paltry 2 wins, 3 defeats with no trophy wins.
The likeliest outcome is still a knockout defeat. This Rohit/Kohli/Bumrah team is all-time great ODI unit but they are often selfish in group stages and choke when in tight situations.
However, 2015 and later, the group stage record is still a ridiculous 19 wins, 2 defeats but the knockout record is a paltry 2 wins, 3 defeats with no trophy wins.
The likeliest outcome is still a knockout defeat. This Rohit/Kohli/Bumrah team is all-time great ODI unit but they are often selfish in group stages and choke when in tight situations.
Refusing the single was embarrassing, so was kind of glad he got out after that. And this could have gotten even more embarrassing if we had immediately lost Jadeja or Shami. Words are failing me.
Huge win for India. Toughest match. Sf ticket almost booked.
I don't reckon NZ are the second best side
It was embarrassing all-round Jadeja playing forward defensive shot to last ball of Boult's over which was begging to be deposited in the stands So that Kohli can have chance at the ton and then Kohli refusing single while Gavaskar and Shastri making it out that it was some how a great thing because there were plenty of balls left .
I just hope this kind of mindset doesn't come back to haunt us in a do or die game .
Still not convinced about our chances in knockouts. NZ will have Kane Williamson back. Also why boult only bowled from over the wicket today? Saving his inswingers for the knockouts?
They have been so far. Even today they played some good cricket. They may fall away now but they are a tough side to beat.
They basically got a Kane innings from Mitchell today, I don't think the result would have changed to be honest.
SA second best side so far for me on teams played and performances within those games