ICC Cricket World Cup 2019

I think it’s easy to slam India but England batted well and hit a very decent first innings total that was always going to be a difficult chase.

Have India ever chased a total as high as that in an ODI outside of India? I don’t think they have. The Indian bowling attack is so good that they rarely face totals as high as that.
 
Can Jadhav do a job at 4? We really dont have a good batsman we can throw in for the middle order..

DK, Shankar, Jadeja are the options .. and I don't think any of them are good enough to replace Jadhav/Dhoni with..

But those 2 arent power hitters .. In Dhoni's case, not anymore.

Jadhav 4, Dhoni 5.. Pandya/Pant at 6-7 .

Also, having 4 bowlers who cant bat at all is not ideal.
 
Gandalf Greyhame said:
I can understand losing to England after being outplayed. They have a terrific batting lineup and were formidable batting first in a good pitch, finding the short boundary cleverly. They bowled well, fielded well, and set up fielding to nullify players like Pandya and Rohit.

But we lost because for some bizarre reason, we did not want to win after Pandya got out. Would love to know why MS gave up so brazenly despite being in a position where we could win from.
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England did play very well today though. Their bowlers executed their plans almost perfectly. Dhoni pulled a dhoni and first 10 overs was a problem but on a balance they deserved to win.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Kohli moaning about the short boundaries in his interview.
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It was more of a problem for us given the reliance on 20 overs of spin. Don't think Bhuvi was fit to play so we had no other choice too. It was the same for both teams but still for a WC game it was bizarre to play on a pitch that resulted in such wayward dimensions.
 
Kohli and Indian fans moaning about the short boundary is pathetic but its entertaining too :lol:, so stereotypical.
 
crappycraperson said:
It was more of a problem for us given the reliance on 20 overs of spin. Don't think Bhuvi was fit to play so we had no other choice too. It was the same for both teams but still for a WC game it was bizarre to play on a pitch that resulted in such wayward dimensions.
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But when you hit one 6 in the entire 50 overs, it seems odd to then come out moaning about how short the boundary was.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
Thought we bowled really really well.

Those first 10 overs were brilliant.
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With all due respect our batsmen were extra cautious. Missed someone like dhawan who would have actually gone out and attacked. Gave too much respect to woakes.
 
TheGame said:
Were you playing on a different pitch to us then? There was a short boundary and you hit 27 in the first 10 overs. This is why people take the piss. You are making excuses instead of just saying England were the better team.
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I'll say this - in these conditions, we can't match England. We don't have the power in batting to do so especially with the terrible selections and loss of Dhawan. It was a given that we were going to lose after the first 15-20 overs of your innings.

Do I think you were the better team today? Yes. But i thats something I could have told you before the match. Both England and India are tailored to specific conditions. If todays pitch wasn't so far to one side, we'd have won.

If we meet again and conditions are similar, we'll lose again. No doubting it.
 
AshRK said:
With all due respect our batsmen were extra cautious. Missed someone like dhawan who would have actually gone out and attacked. Gave too much respect to woakes.
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You were extra cautious because we bowled well and because your top order doesn't trust your middle order.
 
To fall 30 runs short with 5 wickets still in hand in disgraceful. I'd rather a team actually makes an effort.

India's game management is awful and needs serious reconsidering. They are way too slow and cautious at the front when it's easiest to score runs, and leave way too much for the last 10 when it's hard to get boundaries with the 5 men outside the field & their lower order is the weakest part of their batting line up. Overs 10-40 they're excellent, useless outside of it.
 
Djemba-Djemba said:
But when you hit one 6 in the entire 50 overs, it seems odd to then come out moaning about how short the boundary was.
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Did you read what I wrote? Have already given credit to Eng for the win so don't care for accusations of moaning either. It's fine to point out absurd dimensions of the ground irrespective of the result even if they were not the reason behind the loss.
 
crappycraperson said:
Did you read what I wrote? Have already given credit to Eng for the win so don't care for accusations of moaning either. It's fine to point out absurd dimensions of the ground irrespective of the result even if they were not the reason behind the loss.
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I said Kohli was moaning, not you.

You need to read what I wrote yourself.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I'll say this - in these conditions, we can't match England. We don't have the power in batting to do so especially with the terrible selections and loss of Dhawan. It was a given that we were going to lose after the first 15-20 overs of your innings.

Do I think you were the better team today? Yes. But i thats something I could have told you before the match. Both England and India are tailored to specific conditions. If todays pitch wasn't so far to one side, we'd have won.

If we meet again and conditions are similar, we'll lose again. No doubting it.
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If we meet again on similar surface we can only win if we bat first. Even today batting first, I am confident we would have scored 320+ too. Then it is basically down to England being able to bat the same with pressure of the chase.

But it is kind of a shame that Kohli who made his name in ODIs first as a chase master is losing that mantle. He needs to be bit more selfish and either ask Rahul to play the role of destroyer upfront or just throw Pant in there.
 
crappycraperson said:
Did you read what I wrote? Have already given credit to Eng for the win so don't care for accusations of moaning either. It's fine to point out absurd dimensions of the ground irrespective of the result even if they were not the reason behind the loss.
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Even mentioning it is pathetic though, isn’t it? Just comes across like being a bad loser. Imagine if India beat Pakistan in a match and they started talking about short boundaries... what would you think then? You’d ridicule them, and rightly so.
 
KM said:
That team was incredibly entertaining though. Mccullum was amazing.
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It absolutely was, but in terms of the overall notion of NZ and their history in the sport, it was a brief blip in an otherwise bland meringue of vanilla.

They've traditionally been workmanlike rather than exciting, and this World Cup has seemingly had them regress to the mean. Now, if only Brathwaite had not went for that glory 6 shot, we'd have had the final two spots up for grabs :(
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I'll say this - in these conditions, we can't match England. We don't have the power in batting to do so especially with the terrible selections and loss of Dhawan. It was a given that we were going to lose after the first 15-20 overs of your innings.

Do I think you were the better team today? Yes. But i thats something I could have told you before the match. Both England and India are tailored to specific conditions. If todays pitch wasn't so far to one side, we'd have won.

If we meet again and conditions are similar, we'll lose again. No doubting it.
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It wasn't the position of the pitch that made the difference but how flat the wicket was. England's batters play better when the ball comes on the the bat consistently. They suffer though when the the wicket has variable bounce.
 
Kohli post match interview was embarrassing. I just read it. Wtf.
 
rotherham_red said:
It absolutely was, but in terms of the overall notion of NZ and their history in the sport, it was a brief blip in an otherwise bland meringue of vanilla.

They've traditionally been workmanlike rather than exciting, and this World Cup has seemingly had them regress to the mean. Now, if only Brathwaite had not went for that glory 6 shot, we'd have had the final two spots up for grabs :(
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If England defeat NZ and you defeat Bangladesh then wouldn't you go through as both will be on 11 points and you defeated NZ?
 
If India beat Bangladesh and England beat NZ narrowly then we are in for 4 dead rubbers to end the group stage.
 
crappycraperson said:
Should have never been part of the squad. Oz would have dropped a player like this two years back from ODI squad. Instead we want to give him a farewell tour in this cup. He can only lose us a game here not win one.
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He's still worth his place for his influence in the field. It's clear Kohli relies on him for field placings etc. And Kohli's still quite raw as a captain (as he's shown with RCB in the IPL).

But Dhoni can't play the finisher role anymore, that's for sure.
 
Fully Fledged said:
It wasn't the position of the pitch that made the difference but how flat the wicket was. England's batters play better when the ball comes on the the bat consistently. They suffer though when the the wicket has variable bounce.
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Of couse it matters, we took two leggies into game who were smashed to parts because of the short boundary. Its actually ridiculous it was that small.
 
Highlights on TV.. England really brutalized our spinners.. lots to think about there.
 
KM said:
Kohli post match interview was embarrassing. I just read it. Wtf.
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(The toss) was vital, specially looking at the boundary that was quite short. I think it was 59 metres which coincidentally is the minimum amount required in an international match. Quite bizarre on a flat pitch. It's crazy that things fall in place like that randomly. But we should have been clinical because the wicket was flat. We could have accelerated and got closer to their total. If batsmen are able to reverse sweep you for six on a 59 metre boundary there is not much you can do. And one side was 82 metres.

:lol: :lol: Haven't seen this side of him in a while.
 
We are likely to play England again. Similar kinda pitch and we will lose. If it favours the bowlers more, we have a better chance. Toss will be important but this bizarre intent was hopefully some unexplainable nonsense that’s not repeated.
 
JohnnyKills said:
He's still worth his place for his influence in the field. It's clear Kohli relies on him for field placings etc. And Kohli's still quite raw as a captain (as he's shown with RCB in the IPL).

But Dhoni can't play the finisher role anymore, that's for sure.
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That is true. He does help our spinners and with other tactics. But then he needs to bat at 4 in most games.
 
MJJ said:
Did england hide the boundary size before the match began? Rashid bowled 6 overs without getting smashed.
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Yea, I don't see how the pitch dimensions matter. Both teams had the chance to plan their strategy.
 
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