Only because he got his way at Madrid and people were shipped out. Longevity doesnt just mean him being happy and staying at a job it also means him behaving himself and running the club properly he yet has to prove this to me. He seems to have his way at Madrid right now but things have a habit of changing. When are Madrids next elections?
Hypothetical Question: Mourinho or Pep as United Manager?
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Only because he got his way at Madrid and people were shipped out. Longevity doesnt just mean him being happy and staying at a job it also means him behaving himself and running the club properly he yet has to prove this to me. He seems to have his way at Madrid right now but things have a habit of changing. When are Madrids next elections?
Mourinho certainly is the proven winner out of the two. I personally think it would be incredibly risky to appoint Pep.
Is it weird that even as a foreign fan from Canada I want United to have a British manager?
This
Mourinho.
The jury is still out on whether Pep can repeat his success at Barca without 3 of the worlds top five footballers at his disposal.
The jury is still out on whether Pep can repeat his success at Barca without 3 of the worlds top five footballers at his disposal.
What on earth makes you think that? Do you really think that United would mean that much more to him than Real, a club with just as much pedigree and history. United fans thinking Jose would stay here any longer than it takes for him to enhance his personal rep are totally deluded.
Also, I'd hate either of them. A pair of pricks who have disgraced Spanish football time and time again with their antics. fecking clowns. If that's the price of continued success then I'd happily languish for a while!
Umm, how has Guardiola disgraced Spanish football? What antics of his are we talking about here?
Mourinho would be an amazing United manager. Even more unpopular than Fergie with the ABUs!
We're not the good guys as far as anyone else is concerned and we never will be. Let's be the biggest bastards we can!
We're not the good guys as far as anyone else is concerned and we never will be. Let's be the biggest bastards we can!
I dont think any come close to Mourinhos quality. Redknapp or Moyes thats your choice pretty much. I wish we could have promoted from within but none of the ex players have shined themselves in managerial glory, Hughes, Bruce, Keane and Ince etc. OGS has but only one season and he isnt British/Irish.
There's more to supporting a club than just success.
That's why I hope Mourinho is never manager at United.
That's why I hope Mourinho is never manager at United.
Honourable idea RK but think about how the Liverpool supporters act without much success mate.
Mourinho, of course.
By that logic we should sign Suárez.
I'm not totally against Mourinho, far from it, but there must be some limits to our bastardness.
I gave my reasons in the post itself.
Also, its silly to say that he needs to take up our job only to enhance his personal rep? enhance it for what? He already is the manager of Real fecking Madrid. He has as big a rep as anyone out there.
Also, i dont see how Guardiola has disgraced Spanish football at all.
Liverpool are a circus.
I'd rather take a risk on a less experienced manager and give him time, than be trying to overlook the fact that our manager is a twat.
We also need someone to fit with everything that Sir Alex and the club have already set in place (behind the scenes, youth, etc). I wouldn't trust Mourinho with that.
What on earth makes you feel that Mourinho is a bastard in the mould of Suárez?
As far as I know people are calling Mourinho a bastard by the same criteria they call Sir Alex a bastard -- pure envy, nothing else.
I do agree he's childish, silly and fancies himself, but he's slowly getting that out of his system. He's like all the best horses, Mourinho.
I agree with those sentiments entirely but its a business these days mate. How old are you btw? Do you remember United in the 80's?
I remember United in the 70s, and I still can't understand the extreme anti-Mourinho stance.
Well I remembered them and they sucked except for 2 FA Cup finals and Im not exactly enamoured about going back to those kinda days
What on earth makes you feel that Mourinho is a bastard in the mould of Suárez?
As far as I know people are calling Mourinho a bastard by the same criteria they call Sir Alex a bastard -- pure envy, nothing else.
I do agree he's childish, silly and fancies himself, but he's slowly getting that out of his system. He's like all the best horses, Mourinho.
No, I reacted to the idea that we should be the biggest bastards we can be. There has to be some limits to that, otherwise we might as well just sign Suárez.
Mourinho had a fair few unsavoury incidents, like the eye poking, the accusations against Reading ambulance, his conspiracy theories regarding UNICEF etc. These do not immediately rule him out for me but if he does anything like these as a United manager I would be seriously embarassed.
Why would anyone want Pep guaordiola at the club? Its bollocks. Pep is a person who thinks that the position of a manager of a great footballing team is a burden. Its Jose all the way for me.
As long as Manchester United is still winning trophies why the feck would anyone care? So you are saying a couple of random incidents would stop you or anyone else from supporting united? of course not!
How well does Pep handle the Media?
Keane's tackle? cantona's Kungfu kick?
They're not much better, but feck me, if we have a poll today Cantona would still be king.
Cantona's kung-fu kick was in a fit of red mist against a lowlife shouting insults at him. I tend to be somewhat forgiving about that incident.
Keane's act was a calculated, cold-blooded act of petty revenge, something that's quite repulsive to me. I'm still embarassed to think about that, it's the one real blotch on Keano's career for me.
Also, the manager should know better than the players. These incidents do Mourinho or his club no favours at all. They can actually be detrimental. I very much hope he can cut it out if he ever becomes United manager.
The way you express your point is a bit strong but the fact he feels he has nothing else to give after such unparalleled success at his boyhood team raises questions over his ability to deal with the pressure of taking over from Sir Alex. He got really touchy with the media towards the end of his tenure at Barcelona and when Sir Alex goes the man who takes over from him is going to have to bare the media glare very, very intensely. Every result, every decision, every transfer will be examined with referenced to the great man. Has Pep got the bottle for it? Will he burn out under the spotlight? Mourinho seems psychologically more equipped than Pep even if Guardiola's sides play sexier football.
Pep guordiola has won everything in spain and has the right to quit whenever he wants to. But with a team that consists of Messi,Xavi,iniesta,Villa,Puyol..etc arguably the best in Barca history, Pep considers his job as a burden and is drained. He doesn't LIKE being a manager and feels this job is too heavy for his shoulders. Now why the feck would anyone want a person like that at Manchester United? Is the 'burden' going to reduce? feck no!
Infact taking over from the icon that is SAF is easily one of the biggest burdens in managerial history of world football. And apart from that he is not going to be presented with a bow-tied box of Messi,Xaviesta et all. In this club he has got to do with what is given to him. Pep was a fantastic manager for Barca but if you think he is the replacement for the main core that has taken United to heights not achieved by any other club in the span of 20 years, think again.
Mourinho on the other hand loves football. Might not be the most 'decent' man on the sidelines or interviews but has won it all in 4 different leagues including the EPL. He might not be an SAF in anyway but is easily our closest bet to handling a club of our magnitude.
Infact taking over from the icon that is SAF is easily one of the biggest burdens in managerial history of world football. And apart from that he is not going to be presented with a bow-tied box of Messi,Xaviesta et all. In this club he has got to do with what is given to him. Pep was a fantastic manager for Barca but if you think he is the replacement for the main core that has taken United to heights not achieved by any other club in the span of 20 years, think again.
Mourinho on the other hand loves football. Might not be the most 'decent' man on the sidelines or interviews but has won it all in 4 different leagues including the EPL. He might not be an SAF in anyway but is easily our closest bet to handling a club of our magnitude.
Pep without a doubt.
I'd happily have Moyes before Mourinho, probably over Guardiola too.
I'd happily have Moyes before Mourinho, probably over Guardiola too.
I would prefer Pep. Mourinho's a bit of a ticking time bomb, he does crazy yadda stuff but he loves England and the media here because they treated him well etc so maybe he wouldn't be so bad.
I just wouldn't expect him to hang around for anything more than 3-5 years. He will more than likely want to manage Portugal when he's ready..
I just wouldn't expect him to hang around for anything more than 3-5 years. He will more than likely want to manage Portugal when he's ready..
Pep. I don't think either would last more than 5 years, and Mourinho would probably be more successful. But Pep would leave the club in a better state when he went.
Jose. Having him back in England would be great, but he's the best manager available. He's an asshole, but so is Fergie to a lesser extent.
Does Keane's or Cantona's does the club any favour? They're all humans, don't tell me you never lash out in your live?
I'd rather a moment of madness than a calculated cold blooded act of petty revenge that's done with full consciousness and malice.
My point is simple, we all make mistake, he's only 40, and he's not a superman. He can't always handle pressure the way Angel does, even batman has his own moment of madness
Seriously? I don't get the fuss over Moyes to be honest.
Jose every day of the week. He is a complete prick, but look outside United and you'll see a lot think the same of Fergie. He's been a winner everywhere he has been, and for me there is no other choice.
I'd luvvit, just luvvit if Moyes took over Man Utd.
Are you David Moyes?
Why? I've seen Moyes being mentioned a lot and it never ceases to amaze me, what is it about him that makes you want him to step into Sir Alex's shoes?
Mourinho is the only viable choice.
Moyes is only mentioned for his nationality, I've no idea what he's ever done that qualifies him for the United job.
Moyes is only mentioned for his nationality, I've no idea what he's ever done that qualifies him for the United job.
Everton play really unattractive football as well. All graft and little craft. Teams in the premier league with much worse personnel play more exciting and adventurous football than everton.
What worries me about Pep is that he got 'exhausted' from managing Barcelona despite winning so much in such a short spell. If he comes to United, the pressure will be just as huge and the squad won't be as talented as the 'greatest club of all time' that he knew so well in Barca, so he could easily get 'exhausted' very quickly as well. We don't want a manager who would leave so easily by getting exhausted. We want someone for the long-run.
The other thing about Pep that I want to see is him managing other teams successfully as well. Doing it at Barca with so many amazing players is one thing, but if he can do it at another club, preferably in a different league that would be a huge thing as well.
The other thing about Pep that I want to see is him managing other teams successfully as well. Doing it at Barca with so many amazing players is one thing, but if he can do it at another club, preferably in a different league that would be a huge thing as well.
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