Spurs fans rate him highly and as I haven't watched him nearly enough I guess thats a good sign.
Hugo Lloris
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I watched him at both world cups and in the CL group stages. Galatasaray were completely hapless in the group stages and I guess this is why you think he's awful.
Its not that, I really dont rate the guy.
Fair enough. I won't harp on about it, but he was instrumental also in winning Uruguay the Copa America in 2011. Fantastic penalty shot stopper. He has ability IMO, more than Navas at Barca and Ospina at Arsenal.
He'd cost us 30-40M. Just not worth shopping at Spurs.
I've watched quite a few Spurs games in the last 3-4 years and I think Lloris a quality keeper. He's definitely not world class, though.
You could have said the same about Van Der Saar. Average at Juventus aged 27.
The idea of trying to get Lloris for a sensible free from arch fiend Levy is a horrible one.
He'd probably charge us double the De Gea money
He'd probably charge us double the De Gea money
Spurs fans always overrate their own.
I will disagree with this.
In all our successful teams (league winning and in particular CL winning), we have had great keepers.
In fact, when we have won the CL, we had P.Schmeichel and E.V.D.Sar. Both these keepers were of the highest quality, at the time.
IMO, we need to go for the absolute best keeper that we can afford/acquire.
Personally, I'd keep De Gea and let his contract run down and let him go on a free transfer next Summer. This way, we give ourselves 1 year to find a replacement.
If De Gea goes now, we will rush to buy a new keeper and any sellers will take us to the cleaners.
We've brought Valdes to the club as an insurance to that possibility. Try haggling over a fee with us and we'll just stick with a goalkeeper who was first choice at Barcelona 18 months ago.
Them soft goals though.
In the last 6 months..
vs Stoke
vs Chelsea
vs Chelsea
vs Liverpool
If that was De Gea or any other world class keeper i wouldn't even call them soft goals, id call them outright mistakes. De Gea was getting criticized for conceding from a close range deflection ffs.
GS - lloris doesn't make mistakes
*clips of 4 mistakes in the last 6 months posted*
GS - 'I can't be bothered' *Leaves thread*
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He played well against us at WHL but I've seen him do some really stupid things you wouldn't expect from a top keeper. It's not like he is inexperienced either.
Sometimes people here sound like they're scared of this deal. Is he really like Fabien Barthez ?
GS - lloris doesn't make mistakes
*clips of 4 mistakes in the last 6 months posted*
GS - 'I can't be bothered' *Leaves thread*
Classic
I haven't said that Lloris doesn't make mistakes. All GKs make mistakes.
Caftard attempts to put their words in someone else's mouth ... and then imagines that this is a triumphal means of argument.
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Lloris makes too many mistakes to be ever considered a top keeper.
If we let him run down his contract and Valdes's contract also runs out, we will be in an even worse position.
However, I do agree with you that Lloris is on a level below that required to win the champions league. Having said that, he is probably good enough for a title push - which is what our next stage is.
I haven't said that Lloris doesn't make mistakes. All GKs make mistakes.
Caftard attempts to put their words in someone else's mouth ... and then imagines that this is a triumphal means of argument.
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You implied that he doesn't make many, then when confronted with the evidence that he infact does, you threw a tantrum and ran away. Just like you do when Spurs lose.
Madness to say we couldn't win the Champions League with a keeper like Lloris. He's a lot better than some here are giving him credit for.
Anyway, recent goalkeepers of Champions League winners include a terrible Iker Casillas, Victor Valdes and Julio Cesar (of QPR fame). Were any of them better at that time than Lloris is now?
Anyway, recent goalkeepers of Champions League winners include a terrible Iker Casillas, Victor Valdes and Julio Cesar (of QPR fame). Were any of them better at that time than Lloris is now?
My opinion:
Lloris is a great keeper.
He'll never be worth the money Spurs want for him and will always concede a few soft goals a season. I'd rather stick with Valdes (and I hope we don't).
Lloris is a great keeper.
He'll never be worth the money Spurs want for him and will always concede a few soft goals a season. I'd rather stick with Valdes (and I hope we don't).
Haha what?
Lloris is better than both Barca keepers Bravo and Ter Stegan and Barca did just fine in the CL, He is also better than 2014 Casillas when Real Madrid won the CL, Better than 2011 Valdes too.
While i agree that it is possible to win CL or PL with Lloris those aren't terrible nominations at all. Casillas was actually pretty good in the CL and Valdes was superb in his last season both in league and Europe, (edit: when Barca won the CL he was good enough but not superb). I think Lloris is a good keeper but not world class.
A selective and short series of video clips - chosen with a pre-determined agenda in mind - proves nothing. If I could be bothered, which I can't, I could easily compile a similar series of clips about any GK in the world.
Lloris doesn't make many mistakes: I don't need to merely imply this - I'm quite happy to say it clearly. This is not the same as saying that he doesn't makes any mistakes, despite your earlier claim that this is what I've said.
I'd much rather we get another De Gea type signing like Leno or Oblak than Lloris. I think Lloris is definitely good enough for us, but the price tag is just ridiculous as we're looking at 30 million at minimum. He's 28 and while goalkeepers do play longer, very few are like Van der Sar who keep playing at a high level past 35.
You could compile a similar compilation of DDG mistakes from the last half a year? That's a pretty insane claim - please have a go! (And note that those were Lloris mistakes leading to goals, obviously those weren't his only howlers the last six months.)
http://www.espnfc.com/blog/tactics-...serves-better-than-what-hes-received-at-spurs
Perhaps @GlastonSpur can relate with the bolded bits.
I think he is a fine keeper myself, just a bit more error-prone than most top keepers.
An exasperated look of sheer helplessness strewn across the face of their darling goalkeeper has become a sight all too familiar for fans of Tottenham Hotspur. Hugo Lloris has long looked a player too talented to be missing out on Champions League football, instead stuck at White Hart Lane, and reports have surfaced once again that he will look for a route out of N17 this summer with Paris Saint-Germain, Real Madrid and Manchester United all supposedly interested.
The France No. 1 has tried valiantly to provide a last line of defence behind a terribly error-prone Tottenham back line, but time and again he has been unable to save his side. In an almost-surreal repetitively fatalistic manner, Spurs once again find themselves outside the top four and facing another summer of struggling to hold on to their best players while also attracting talents who can improve a squad that's in need of fresh blood.
Ever since Lloris joined in 2012, Spurs fans will have been pinching themselves at how they managed to sign such a brilliantly gifted goalkeeper let alone keep him for three of the best years of his career. He still has a fair few seasons in him, but one can quite easily understand any wishes he has to play at the highest level sooner rather than later. Given that he is France captain and almost undeniably among the three best goalkeepers in the Premier League, Champions League aspirations make perfect sense.
Lloris is a fantastic shot-stopper, to whom Spurs owe a great deal for any success they have managed Throughout the three seasons he has spent in England, only a handful of others have made more saves than Lloris (248), who has averaged 2.6 per game. Since the start of last season, he has stopped more shots taken from inside the penalty area (131) than any other player, and ranks third in that regard since joining Tottenham. Clearly, his reactions are barely paralleled and will be hugely difficult to replace should he be on his way at the end of the current campaign.
What's more, since the start of 2012-13, Tottenham's outfielders have committed 10 more errors leading directly to an opposition goal (32) than any other Premier League side -- ahead of Arsenal's 22, Liverpool's 20 and Everton's 16. While a little of this blame could be placed at the feet of Lloris for not organising his defence sufficiently, more should be placed with those players themselves for all of their own mistakes. Or with Andre Villas-Boas for his ludicrously high line, Tim Sherwood for opting to forego a defensive midfielder or Mauricio Pochettino for his insistence on passing out from the back.
Whatever the reason, Lloris has had his work cut out for him at Tottenham and has provided an invaluable presence between the sticks while those in front of him continue to fail him. That exasperated look doesn't even begin to do it justice.
All the while, he has remained professional in the face of adversity, sticking to his job and leading by example, maintaining a commendable saves-to-shots ratio of 69.6 percent this season.
Lauded most often for the speed with which he comes off his line, Lloris has unsurprisingly swept up play behind his defence more times (117) since coming to England than any other goalkeeper. Athletic, agile and quick, he makes the perfect player to play in a team that dominates possession high up the pitch and looks to keep a high line.
On more than a few occasions in the past few years, Spurs would have suffered with any other goalkeeper trying to do Lloris's job. Accordingly, they have a 56.4 percent win ratio with Lloris in the starting XI compared to just 40 percent without him. Michel Vorm is a very capable understudy, but as their permanent No. 1 Spurs will be significantly weakened.
Of goalkeepers to feature regularly during the time that Lloris has spent in England, only a few have averaged a higher WhoScored rating than his 6.76. He is a true all-rounder that Tottenham did incredibly well to even sign in the first place and will understandably miss terribly once he inevitably departs for one of football's elite clubs.
It may even make more than a small portion of Spurs fans happy to see him sporting a smile more often than he has in the last few months.
The France No. 1 has tried valiantly to provide a last line of defence behind a terribly error-prone Tottenham back line, but time and again he has been unable to save his side. In an almost-surreal repetitively fatalistic manner, Spurs once again find themselves outside the top four and facing another summer of struggling to hold on to their best players while also attracting talents who can improve a squad that's in need of fresh blood.
Ever since Lloris joined in 2012, Spurs fans will have been pinching themselves at how they managed to sign such a brilliantly gifted goalkeeper let alone keep him for three of the best years of his career. He still has a fair few seasons in him, but one can quite easily understand any wishes he has to play at the highest level sooner rather than later. Given that he is France captain and almost undeniably among the three best goalkeepers in the Premier League, Champions League aspirations make perfect sense.
Lloris is a fantastic shot-stopper, to whom Spurs owe a great deal for any success they have managed Throughout the three seasons he has spent in England, only a handful of others have made more saves than Lloris (248), who has averaged 2.6 per game. Since the start of last season, he has stopped more shots taken from inside the penalty area (131) than any other player, and ranks third in that regard since joining Tottenham. Clearly, his reactions are barely paralleled and will be hugely difficult to replace should he be on his way at the end of the current campaign.
What's more, since the start of 2012-13, Tottenham's outfielders have committed 10 more errors leading directly to an opposition goal (32) than any other Premier League side -- ahead of Arsenal's 22, Liverpool's 20 and Everton's 16. While a little of this blame could be placed at the feet of Lloris for not organising his defence sufficiently, more should be placed with those players themselves for all of their own mistakes. Or with Andre Villas-Boas for his ludicrously high line, Tim Sherwood for opting to forego a defensive midfielder or Mauricio Pochettino for his insistence on passing out from the back.
Whatever the reason, Lloris has had his work cut out for him at Tottenham and has provided an invaluable presence between the sticks while those in front of him continue to fail him. That exasperated look doesn't even begin to do it justice.
All the while, he has remained professional in the face of adversity, sticking to his job and leading by example, maintaining a commendable saves-to-shots ratio of 69.6 percent this season.
Lauded most often for the speed with which he comes off his line, Lloris has unsurprisingly swept up play behind his defence more times (117) since coming to England than any other goalkeeper. Athletic, agile and quick, he makes the perfect player to play in a team that dominates possession high up the pitch and looks to keep a high line.
On more than a few occasions in the past few years, Spurs would have suffered with any other goalkeeper trying to do Lloris's job. Accordingly, they have a 56.4 percent win ratio with Lloris in the starting XI compared to just 40 percent without him. Michel Vorm is a very capable understudy, but as their permanent No. 1 Spurs will be significantly weakened.
Of goalkeepers to feature regularly during the time that Lloris has spent in England, only a few have averaged a higher WhoScored rating than his 6.76. He is a true all-rounder that Tottenham did incredibly well to even sign in the first place and will understandably miss terribly once he inevitably departs for one of football's elite clubs.
It may even make more than a small portion of Spurs fans happy to see him sporting a smile more often than he has in the last few months.
Perhaps @GlastonSpur can relate with the bolded bits.
I think he is a fine keeper myself, just a bit more error-prone than most top keepers.
Maybe I should've included "good enough to help us win the champions league". Our team is well below all those teams you mentioned and will be for a good while yet. If we're to win the champions league in the next 2-3 years, we will definitely need a keeper of the absolute highest quality.Haha what?
Lloris is better than both Barca keepers Bravo and Ter Stegan and Barca did just fine in the CL, He is also better than 2014 Casillas when Real Madrid won the CL, Better than 2011 Valdes too.
Transfermarket seems to believe a deal will be done for 21.5 euros on a 4 year contract.
All fans always overrate their own except when that player is Rooney and the fan is a Manchester United fan
Levy will never let him go for a sensible amount of money, a verbal agreement counts for nothing nowadays if there is one.
Levy doesn't seem the sort that would stick to a verbal agreement. If there actually is a verbal agreement.
Won't teams then know we NEED to sign a replacement and take us to the cleaners. Or are we supposed to think they won't notice DeGea is about to leave us on a free? Chances are good we have been looking at possible replacements while at the same time trying to re-sign DeGea.
A verbal agreement is still legally binding
How does one prove the existence of a verbal agreement?
Have a tantrum.
Lloris: "Judge, Mr. Levy told me he'd let me go providing a club in the Champions League offered X."
Judge: "Mr. Levy, is this true? Did you promise Mr. Lloris he could leave if the aforementioned conditions were satisfied?"
Levy: "No. No I didn't."
I doubt this verbal agreement will be in Levy memory anymore but Lloris can surely kick up a Berbatov style fuss and force the transfer. I hope he does, I hate Levy and and Spurs.
I hope this LLoris thing is just a rumour - do not want him. The thought of dealing with Levy pisses me off. Am sure we can get someone cheaper to let in the same soft goals LLoris will.
Levy will never let the thought of a verbal agreement enter his Nosferatu looking head if it means fleecing us.
You pay an agent a small fortune to negotiate your contract, and then rely on a verbal agreement for your release? I think Lloris would find it extremely difficult to prove the existence of such an agreement.