i'd be happy with either Cech or Lloris really. seems like the former wants to stay in London though, so I'd say Lloris is the most likely candidate. the bonus is he's younger.
Hugo Lloris
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Is he better than Cech, Leno or even Handanovic? No. And he'll definitely cost more than those 3. He's a good GK, but I wouldn't want us to sign him, I don't think he's as good as the 3 i mentioned.
Please name me 15 keepers better than Lloris?
I don't like the way he rushes out like a headless chicken. Yeah sometimes it works out but a fair few times he gives away a ridiculus foul (like against us when he blatently fouled young - i think it was him). We already had Barthez who was abit mental in goal i think Lloris would be abit similar - giving away frustrating goals from just rushing out for no reason.
Wait, let me get this straight -a twenty year old with no experience at the top level is fine, but a 28 year old with CL and international experience will "melt away" like Foster did?
I can't believe I'm actually having to explain to someone why Ben fecking Foster and Lloris are not at the same level.
Lloris is one of the best sweeper 'keepers around, hence the link to us. He's great to have when you play a high line, because he's extremely decisive off his line.
Also, being a Prem proven player (I know that's a cliched phrase!) is important, as it means he's capable of hitting the ground running with none of the concerns you get with stoppers new to the league. The bloke is an experienced international at a very good age. However, clearly, the major concern is that Levy will try to take us to the cleaners for him.
As an aside, we've only needed such an insane goalie for the last two years because the rest of the team has been so deficient. Sort the rest of the issues out and a Lloris-level replacement for De Gea will be more than adequate.
Also, being a Prem proven player (I know that's a cliched phrase!) is important, as it means he's capable of hitting the ground running with none of the concerns you get with stoppers new to the league. The bloke is an experienced international at a very good age. However, clearly, the major concern is that Levy will try to take us to the cleaners for him.
As an aside, we've only needed such an insane goalie for the last two years because the rest of the team has been so deficient. Sort the rest of the issues out and a Lloris-level replacement for De Gea will be more than adequate.
Two great points:
Levy will pretty much demand for Lloris whatever we got for DDG (maybe more) but with a solid spine in front of him Lloris (or Cech) should do just fine.
Not my first post on Lloris. He's a very good goalkeeper, but he will not progress anymore. He was better when he was at Lyon than at Spurs. When he was at Lyon, he showed great potential but his transfer to Spurs just showed that he stopped progressing at 25. In his current state, he's far form an average De Gea.
Lloris has qualities, it's clear, but he will never developp into what De Gea will be in 3/4 years, in what Neuer is, and I think that when we have one of the best keeper of the world right now, going with Lloris will be a step back.
He's weak with his feet, a bit risky like Barthez was, but he's not as safe as Big Dave....
Unless we buy Otamendi and Hummels at the back, then we can maybe have a "weaker" keeper... but it would be unrealistic.
I'm not a fan at all of Lloris, not since he broke at Nice. He's a good keeper, but not a top one.
If we want to progress as a team we have to replace De Gea with another top top keeper
Lloris has qualities, it's clear, but he will never developp into what De Gea will be in 3/4 years, in what Neuer is, and I think that when we have one of the best keeper of the world right now, going with Lloris will be a step back.
He's weak with his feet, a bit risky like Barthez was, but he's not as safe as Big Dave....
Unless we buy Otamendi and Hummels at the back, then we can maybe have a "weaker" keeper... but it would be unrealistic.
I'm not a fan at all of Lloris, not since he broke at Nice. He's a good keeper, but not a top one.
If we want to progress as a team we have to replace De Gea with another top top keeper
Lloris really isn't all that. Makes lots of great saves for the camera, that gets the muppets swooning. But in reality he makes lots of mistake, concedes a ton of really soft goals (that never gets picked up on cos he only plays for Spurs) and isn't particularly convincing in the air, despite being 'PL proven' for a good few years.
He's actually very much like Valdes, same strengths and weaknesses, but clearly not as good as peak Valdes was. So as we actually have Valdes, we might as well stick with him (providing he can still play at that level pre-injury)
He's actually very much like Valdes, same strengths and weaknesses, but clearly not as good as peak Valdes was. So as we actually have Valdes, we might as well stick with him (providing he can still play at that level pre-injury)
I wouldn't mind Lloris, but not for whatever stupid price Levy would inevitably demand for him.
Much rather we spend £10-15million on Cech or give Valdes a chance than splashing £25million+ on Lloris.
Much rather we spend £10-15million on Cech or give Valdes a chance than splashing £25million+ on Lloris.
I agree to an extent. Levy will naturally be hard to deal with but I would still rather pay twice as much for a PL proven goalkeeper. Muslera coming straight into the Utd squad as first choice keeper would worry me.
Some people are so naturally talented that they'll make it no matter the age and circumstances. Buffon was that type of keeper. He went to Juventus which was possibly the most difficult platform for a keeper to perform (even VDS failed miserably there) and he did magnificently from day 1. Some keepers are small club type of keepers. Ex Taibi was fantastic at Piacenza convincing Milan to spend great money for him (he was better than Lloris at Spurs). He was horrible at AC Milan, did well at Venezia, went back to a big club and failed once again.
I am not saying that Lloris is the next Foster however he isn't a Buffon/DDG/Courtois type either. He does have weaknesses in his game which will be magnified by 1000x once he start playing with a top club with a genuine chance of winning something important.
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I don't recognise that description of Lloris even remotely. It makes me wonder how many full games of Spurs matches you've actually watched.
How high do you rate him?
Probably as high as Glaston is right now.
He's one of Europe's top keepers.
I don't know enough about the other two to comment but he is certainly better than cech. Cech had notb been the same since the head injury. Cech is definately better. Is he 20-25m better? Probably not.
The day i agree with this feckwit....
Ffs caf come on dtop talking rubbish and making me agree with him
Them soft goals though.
In the last 6 months..
vs Stoke
vs Chelsea
vs Chelsea
vs Liverpool
If that was De Gea or any other world class keeper i wouldn't even call them soft goals, id call them outright mistakes. De Gea was getting criticized for conceding from a close range deflection ffs.
I like this guy but we can't be strung along by Spurs for weeks once DDG goes, it needs doing quickly. and for less than we get for DDG.
Them soft goals though.
In the last 6 months..
vs Stoke
vs Chelsea
vs Chelsea
vs Liverpool
If that was De Gea or any other world class keeper i wouldn't even call them soft goals, id call them outright mistakes. De Gea was getting criticized for conceding from a close range deflection ffs.
Very soft goals. Spurs fans are notorious for chronically overating their own players and underrating United players. Galston's opinions are reflective of the Spurs fans i've spoken with.
For me Lloris is somewhere between 10-15 top keepers in the world but far from the elite keepers such as Neuer, De Gea, Courtoius.
You're exaggerating. Based on what?
Based on what I saw of him. He makes silly mistakes and is a accident waiting to happen most of the time.
I reckon Lloris is probably the best GK that we could realistically get if DDG goes.
I'm perfectly happy to give Valdes a season to show what he can do, assuming his performances in training were reasonable. After all, our whole defensive strategy is based on retaining possession.
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Wasn't the Hazard goal at Stamford Bridge soft, the Sturridge goal at Anfield soft? There were others throughout the season.
All goalkeepers are not exactly perfect.
All goalkeepers are not exactly perfect.
Any major incidents you can think of? Also, is this based on watching him in the Turkish league or the WC?
De Gea concedes nowhere near as many soft goals as Lloris, its not even comparable.
Them soft goals though.
In the last 6 months..
vs Stoke
vs Chelsea
vs Chelsea
vs Liverpool
If that was De Gea or any other world class keeper i wouldn't even call them soft goals, id call them outright mistakes. De Gea was getting criticized for conceding from a close range deflection ffs.
Ouch!
Lloris concedes plenty of soft goals, and also makes plenty of mistakes. He simply never gets called up for it by the media, because he doesn't play for a big club. If he did, and made the same mistakes, he'd be under far more scrutiny.
Convince yourself of whatever you like. Most of your alleged "proofs" could be dissected clip by clip, but I can't be bothered. And unlike you, I've seen Lloris for the whole 90 minutes of each game across each season he's been at Spurs. He is very clearly one of Europe's best keepers.
Ive read somewhere he might go to Perez Circus as an alternatove for DDG.
Casillas will eat him alive in inner politics.
Casillas will eat him alive in inner politics.
Them soft goals though.
In the last 6 months..
vs Stoke
vs Chelsea
vs Chelsea
vs Liverpool
If that was De Gea or any other world class keeper i wouldn't even call them soft goals, id call them outright mistakes. De Gea was getting criticized for conceding from a close range deflection ffs.
If Lloris was playing like that for us, he would be crucified and rightly so. Just looking at these is already cringeworthy; Barthez-like material.
To hell with him! Let him rot at Spurs or go in a different circus.
a little bit of both. You watched him on regular basis?
I could create a similar show-reel of De Gea 'errors' - it's a highly selective way to push an agenda.
It tends to be very cyclical with goalies. De Gea had a run towards the end of the season when he kept conceding soft goals - yes, we judge him by very high standards, but some of the goals he let in were poor; Benteke's goal against Villa at OT was probably the worst.
Lloris has enough of a track record to suggest that his mistakes are exceptions rather than the norm.
I think he's a good goalie.
It tends to be very cyclical with goalies. De Gea had a run towards the end of the season when he kept conceding soft goals - yes, we judge him by very high standards, but some of the goals he let in were poor; Benteke's goal against Villa at OT was probably the worst.
Lloris has enough of a track record to suggest that his mistakes are exceptions rather than the norm.
I think he's a good goalie.
I agree, I recently re-watched the treble DVD and was amazed as to how many howlers Schmeichel made that season.
Why are we spending on a goalkeeper, if DDG goes, lets give Valdes his chance, did not do a bad job in his game v Hull and that is after only playing a few games in U21's league. I reckon with a few Premier League games under his belt, he would prove what a great goalkeeper he is!
I think having a 33 year old goalkeeper who is going to have a season getting used to a new league isn't the best idea. Absolute best case scenario is he has a mediocre year, we stick with him and by the time he's 35 he's performing to a good standard and we get maybe 2 seasons of a quality goalkeeper. It was pretty clear in his couple of matches at the end of the season that he's very uncomfortable dealing with crosses, so just like De Gea they'll definitely be a bedding in period.
I think Goalkeeper is the one position where the "Premier League proven" tag is actually pretty important; in most other leagues the referees blow for breathing on a goalkeeper (particularly when dealing with crosses), whereas the Premier League is far more unforgiving. Therefore I'd either go with a Cech/Lloris type or someone in the Leno mould that even if he has a year to bed in should solve our goalkeeper issues for several years (if we are proactive regarding their contract situation).
I just don't see Valdes as being anywhere near as good as someone like Cech in the short term, or given his age good in the medium-long term.
He is a good keeper and is at the right age, proven in the league and has also played with a high line.
Negatives are he is slightly shorter (though not by much vs DDG but quite a bit vs Cech), perhaps doesn't have as much of a command and he plays for Spurs, so will cost as much as we get for DDG, if not more.