How much time is enough time to gauge Ole?
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Yep, totally agree.
What bad decision are you referring to?
Very much so. Both City and Liverpool are absolutely ruthless and relentless. They both work extremely hard and completely deserve their success.
They are fitter, better coached, technically much better than us and tactically far more competent. The way they press and win the ball back is brilliant and just stifle the opposition.
It pains me to say this about our rivals but we are so far behind them and the gap is getting wider.
What are people seeing that makes them say another season at least? No sarcasm, maybe you can help me be more optimistic cos I can't see it. Is it his buys? But that's nowhere close to being the only aspect of the job
Ole need time and at least one more window. That said, he has to earn his transfer windows imo. He need to make the players he got now to play the right brand of football. I can swallow defeat if we play football the United way. I can’t stand to see us play with no fighting spirit and a losers mentality.
Good news.
Be more impressed if it said and Ed is also willing to give up his salary until this shit show is turned around.
Why does time come into the equation... how do other managers walk into chaotic teams and implement their respective styles and get the team playing decent football.
I have Ole on my first ever shirt he is perhaps my favourite Utd player of all time and a true club legend... but for me I haven’t seen anything about his tactical setup or in game management that screams this guy will take us back to the top.
I mean our players are really not that bad, granted we are behind City / Pool’s first 11 but I fail to see how a decent set of tactics and ability to coach and improve players wouldn’t have us knocking on the door for third. The game yesterday was truly awful but there was still a decent team out there, the very least come away with a dull point and move on once the injuries clear up.
I admire Ole for his approach but he seems woefully out of his depth and how far do we got before we are fighting to stay in the top ten.
It is sadly a matter of time before we end up looking once more for the next great saviour !!
I have Ole on my first ever shirt he is perhaps my favourite Utd player of all time and a true club legend... but for me I haven’t seen anything about his tactical setup or in game management that screams this guy will take us back to the top.
I mean our players are really not that bad, granted we are behind City / Pool’s first 11 but I fail to see how a decent set of tactics and ability to coach and improve players wouldn’t have us knocking on the door for third. The game yesterday was truly awful but there was still a decent team out there, the very least come away with a dull point and move on once the injuries clear up.
I admire Ole for his approach but he seems woefully out of his depth and how far do we got before we are fighting to stay in the top ten.
It is sadly a matter of time before we end up looking once more for the next great saviour !!
His first real window and the signs are good on players out and players in, he’s also not a miserable twat.
That’s all I got
I can't judge him until he's got a squad that's fit for purpose.
The meltdown over the West Ham game is ridiculous. It was obvious that we'd struggle with the team we were putting out. I said it was the hardest game we'll have this month in the results predictions thread.
It's like the world hasn't noticed that it's not 2009 United anymore and are still surprised when we lose any game.
The meltdown over the West Ham game is ridiculous. It was obvious that we'd struggle with the team we were putting out. I said it was the hardest game we'll have this month in the results predictions thread.
It's like the world hasn't noticed that it's not 2009 United anymore and are still surprised when we lose any game.
i mean it isn't just the west ham game though. The form since they decided to give Ole the job has been mentioned numerous times. And then although we are only 6 games in this season, we are pretty much equally as close to relegation as we are with the top 4 race. Plus with a very tough game against arsenal think we would be shocked if the team wins that game based on current form. So it is more than just a simple west ham game.
Ed's laying the groundwork here.
In the summer, another minimal spend of £60m or similar, replacing Pogba with someone like Longstaff and lots of spin about "a project".
The key word is “full support”.
What kind of support did he have before? 50% or 86% support? There is only two types of trust. Either you have or not. If these quotes are accurate then it means the board have discussed his future. That’s a bad sign.
Trust me. His days are numbered.
Is a poll needed?
Could be... They re experts at shifting the blame
This is how it happened with Jose as well. Needlessly coming out to show support. Maybe he feels compelled to do it because of the cameras catching him being critical on Sunday
In short, longer than one season.
Hiring Ole as anything other than interim manager.
Im talking about this season. Last season is history.
The play on the pitch, and chances generated, deserves completely different results. But we havent gotten them, and here we are. Finishing has hurt us more than anything this season.
He’s had his time imo.
I think a lot of Oles decision making is what posters on here would do given the chance.
I think a lot of Oles decision making is what posters on here would do given the chance.
Can you explain to me why Ole's stats looks like this since he took over as permanent manager
https://www.transfermarkt.us/ole-gu...d/985/datum_zu/2019-03-28/datum_ab/0000-00-00
17 matches managed, 5 wins, 8 losses, 4 draws which equates to 29.4% win ratio
Let's look at Van Gaal and Mourinho while they were United managers
Van Gaal
103 matches managed, 54 wins, 25 losses, 24 draws which equates to 52.4% win ratio
Mourinho
141 matches managed, 84 wins, 29 losses, 31 draws which equates to 59.5% win ratio
Now, in my opinion, I don't think Van Gaal and Mourinho were the solutions to take our team forward and I'm glad they were sacked. Can you explain to me why does Ole get the benefit? just because he was a legend? He's playing crappy football just like Jose.... So I don't understand what all is he bringing to the table?
This is a management issue! If we are struggling to beat the likes of West Ham and Southampton with the given squad, I think it's a management issue.
I don't think Woodward would sack Ole (just because he's a United legend). I think Ole will quit himself when he realizes that he can't steer the ship anymore in the right direction.
The United way has been garbage for the last 6 years
Ed doesn't have a choice. He has pinned his sails with Ole. Its his last stop saloon for Woodward.
Simon Jordan on talksport made a very good point on Ole. He said if you look at United since Fergie retired, their managers made sense except Ole. Moyes was a solid experienced PL manager and was recommened by Fergie. Van Gaal was a proven manager with great track record. Mourinho was proven manager with great track record. But Ole was not someone ever said this guy is potentially great manager, his career as manager isnt impressive and no one would even suggest Ole for United. Imagine a month before Mourinho was sacked someone made a thread here and said we need to sack Mourinho now and get Ole. What response would that thread get?
He just does not have it in him to turn around a slide,think we have seen proof of that since the Wolves game.
Was a cheap permanent appointment by our penny pinching board and it has backfired badly on Woody and those yankee leeches. Personally don't see him as any better than other interim bosses.
Have already reached that point where I just do not want to watch any of his interviews now because they get me annoyed.
Was a cheap permanent appointment by our penny pinching board and it has backfired badly on Woody and those yankee leeches. Personally don't see him as any better than other interim bosses.
Have already reached that point where I just do not want to watch any of his interviews now because they get me annoyed.
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Woodward believing in it just makes me even more confident that it is the wrong decision.
His interviews have always been shite.
Yeah this only goes to prove that he really is Woody from Toy Story and not a real person. Ole looks absolutely lost on the touchline,well on the occasions he actually gets out of his seat of course
He has completely slackened off since getting the job and really think the players are walking all over him,just hope they aren't laughing behind his back.
He should have insisted that no players
Is sold unless replacements are first brought in.
Delusional.
He's also waiting for MySpace to make a comeback but of course, they won't sack, they will give a pistol and tell him to do the right thing.
Whenever you start hearing about full support and votes of confidence from the board it is usually followed shortly after by the sack.
Ole is definitely is not in any way responsible for where we are but I don't think he's part of the solution. I look at Chelsea squad, it's not great but going forward Lampard has a clear style of play that creates chances. Under Ole, we are a counter-attacking team but I don't think the team knows what they are doing when they have possession. The football under LVG was slow & boring, but you could see what he was trying to do. He just didn't have the personnel to play that way. If we give Ole 200 million there's no guarantee that will fix the team. I just don't see when we playing in possession what Ole is trying to do. And we don't have a track record to judge him on.
Man UTD has big problems but the solution is straight forward. Hire an experienced forward-thinking DOF of football and give him the personnel around him that he needs. Hire an experienced coach who has a great relationship with DOF. Give DOF the money and power to make changes to the team as he feels necessary. Give it a few seasons and the team will be back to challenging for titles.
I like Ole but what evidence do we have he will succeed even if he was given 300 million. He failed Cardiff and minimal experience in low tier league. I don't think we should waste more money and time on Ole based on us hoping he'll succeed. I'd rather take my chances with someone more experienced like Pochettino or Allegri.
If Ole stays I hope he proves me wrong
Man UTD has big problems but the solution is straight forward. Hire an experienced forward-thinking DOF of football and give him the personnel around him that he needs. Hire an experienced coach who has a great relationship with DOF. Give DOF the money and power to make changes to the team as he feels necessary. Give it a few seasons and the team will be back to challenging for titles.
I like Ole but what evidence do we have he will succeed even if he was given 300 million. He failed Cardiff and minimal experience in low tier league. I don't think we should waste more money and time on Ole based on us hoping he'll succeed. I'd rather take my chances with someone more experienced like Pochettino or Allegri.
If Ole stays I hope he proves me wrong
The state of what the club has become. Winning trophies is now an optional thing so much that we don't care if the Manager of Manchester United wins trophies while promoting youngsters who are hungry is now the latest fad.
Who told Lukaku he wasn't wanted?
"retains full support" - a continuation of the previous state of events.
He doesn't see it as a bad decision, and neither do I, I personally think it's the best decision he's made in the previous 6 years.