This right here...this is the state of our club when our own supporters are hoping that our players get booed. This is pathetic
How do we sell Harry Maguire?
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This right here...this is the state of our club when our own supporters are hoping that our players get booed. This is pathetic
Correct. Proper manners they have.
Has anyone considered England fans are decking idiots and support other clubs so are automatically going to not like man utd players, plus the meme thing plus the Greece thing plus the social media. I kind of respect any player playing for England actually because I never would bother
Delusional.
He's been poor to abysmal in almost every game this season. He's given away huge chances/goals from shocking mistakes at a rate of about once per game.
And it's not just United fans, everyone who has watched United play this season has come to the same conclusion. He's had an atrocious season. His substitution was cheered vs Atletico not particularly because of their goals, but because he looked like a disaster waiting to happen every time he touched the ball.
I can find 10 involvements besides the goal against atletico where he reminds more of a 3 division Norwegian league player. I’m actually amazed.Just simple things like regular crosses.. like when we were chasing a goal he hugs the ball on the left, just to go towards the center of the pitch and cross it up to the upper stands. Or when he clears simple headers right to the opposition. You can find so many compilations off all the errors he makes..
To the point you make about us wanting to see the bad, you chose not to see it. It Goes both ways right? we see all the errors you won’t. You just want to see what fits your narrative.
He’s abysmal, and the hate is justified. Why else would so many see the same thing and react? Would a good player be booed? Tell me? Why does United fans hate him? It must be that the majority of people watching him play come to the conclusion after seeing the same stupid errors and decisions over and over again. It’s a pattern. So the hate must build up from somewhere and it isn’t because he has been decent like you are proposing. He hasn’t had a decent game in years. And yea I hate him as a player.
Let’s us not mince words. Harry Maguire has been atrocious for United this season.
Atleast they can defend better than Maguire. Not on football pitch though.
People have short memories. They will realize that when Maguire shits his pants against Leicester this weekend.
Keane trying too hard to be hard
You are just talking to a brick wall there. You are replying to Maguire's wife so she defended him all the time and in her eyes he can do no wrong. Maguire has been one of the weakest captain we ever had. A bit of boo and this snowflake called captain got riled up and ask his mates to defend him. Dont forget this is the man who sent his family members to defend him in twitter and talk shit to journalists who criticized him.
Boos are normal in football, how then are fans suppose to show their displeasure, in Madrid fans booed CR7 after a game with Barcelona, fans have rights to want their money's worth in games and in the past months Maguire has been nothing but shit, no one wants to pay huge ticket fees and see a player perform like he has.
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Maguire has had two good seasons for us and a difficult one this year, as have the rest of the squad. However, take Maguire out of this team and I guarantee we get even worse. Which is why despite the fact half this forum can't comprehend it, he's never dropped.
Maguire's only flaws are not being as good as van Dijk and being the captain of a failing side everybody loves to hate.
He's spot on.
If Maguire can use England's games to send a message to United's fans (San Marino) then why can't United fans use the England's games to drive a message to Maguire? What's good for the goose is good for the slab head
I saw the problems with Maguire instantly as did many others. I think alot of the problems have stemmed from him being captain. Straight away you saw him pointing to him team mates to play the ball to out to Shaw rather than himself, forcing them to make much riskier passes when playing the ball to Maguire was the obvious option. You would also see him point to the other defenders telling them to mark players in the areas he should be covering to try and absolve him from responsibility from his bad positioning.
When you look for it you'll find it. When Harry was out for most of January De Gea had to make more saves than any keeper in the league and won player of the month. He bailed us out in all but one game. Vs West Ham. The only game Maguire played. The other games were against Villa, Brentford and Wolves. But go on, tell me again how Maguire has been the problem...
You are absolutely correct. Look at the month of January when Maguire was out of the team. De Gea had to make more saves than any keeper in the league and won player of the month because Verane, Lindelof and Bailly couldn't deal with Wolves, Brentford and Villa. In fact, the only game in January that De Gea didn't have to bail us out was against West Ham where he only had to make one save. That was the only game Maguire played that month
I see mistakes from all our players. We are horrible. But Maguire is the scapegoat and takes most of the blame. He even got blamed for the Athletico goals which is absolutely ridiculous
Why would England fans boo him. He seemingly turns into the centre back we thought we were signing when he plays got them. He's easily one of England's best players. He got into the euro team of the tournament for christ sakes.
I feel for him and you are right in saying that this season is his first bad one and he has shown better form than before. I think that the overprotection from the media and the previous manager has made him a target, just like Rashford, of over the top criticism. Not saying its justified in any sense though.
They should direct their boos at Southgate for selecting Maguire and seven other defensive players to cover for him.
Southgate or England have no obligation to play him. Indeed he was injured for United at the end of last season so until the start of the Euros he hadn’t played at all for 2-3 months. Southgate rated him that highly that he still selected him. He could have easily justified his non selection with him not being match fit. Then he could have played some alleged attacking football which according to your post Maguire is preventing him to play.
Or maybe just Southgate knows more about the game than some Caf poster and realizes England are a better team with Maguire.
Ridiculous conclusion to England's tactics.
Southgate doesn't play defensive tactics to fit in maguire
OK Harry.
Maguire has been by far the biggest problem, of many. He’s been a perpetual car crash and giant embarrassment.
It's not only his shit play. When he's interviewed after a game it's everyone else's fault but his. He never admits guilt of a feck up.
Tagline very apt I see, don't think anyone feel anything but pain trying to find a point or make sense of your posts. At least your twitter is easier to grasp.
Ah yes, the typical answer when you know your claim was wrong to start with. Well done.Tagline very apt I see, don't think anyone feel anything but pain trying to find a point or make sense of your posts. At least your twitter is easier to grasp.
Simple answer is we dont sell him....he is not as bad as some of you doom and gloom merchants make out...he has had a poor season, as an 80million signing and captain this gets magnified even more but he all of a sudden hasnt become a bad player. His lack of pace has been exposed more this year but then Shaw has been poor, AWB has been poor, Lindelof had very poor games too... but his confidence was shot following the Leicester game, he was rushed back and the hatred for him has grown since.
I remember the days UTD fans supported their players, dragged them through difficulties and even made cult heroes out of underachievers like Forlan, Buttner, Fletcher, Oshea...nowadays the utd fans vent their frustrations on the players and are unforgiving. Social media makes things worse but we have to remember Maguire is a human being and doesnt deserve some of the abuse he is getting, the guy tries, he doesnt sulk and not try...... the fact that people are blaming him for goals on here that he had nothing to do with just proves my point......and we must remember prior to this season he had been a good signing for us. I hope he can turn this round but he needs support from the club and its fanbase. Got to think of this guy's mental health too.....
I remember the days UTD fans supported their players, dragged them through difficulties and even made cult heroes out of underachievers like Forlan, Buttner, Fletcher, Oshea...nowadays the utd fans vent their frustrations on the players and are unforgiving. Social media makes things worse but we have to remember Maguire is a human being and doesnt deserve some of the abuse he is getting, the guy tries, he doesnt sulk and not try...... the fact that people are blaming him for goals on here that he had nothing to do with just proves my point......and we must remember prior to this season he had been a good signing for us. I hope he can turn this round but he needs support from the club and its fanbase. Got to think of this guy's mental health too.....
Has he? So our defense was better in January when he was out? Answer honestly
We've conceded 38 goals in the last 24 games Harry has started in the league and CL. 1.6 per game. He's been the cornerstone of the worst defense we've ever seen in the Premier League era and beyond. Even under Moyes we were only conceding 1.1 per game.
In the 8 games he hasn't started during that same period we conceded 8 goals.
Don't worry you'll still get people swearing that he's integral to our defense in spite of the performances proving otherwise.
Some our worst defences in our modern history have been with him as the anchor...
I'm not sure I'd sell him given our luck with defensive injuries, but he absolutely needs to be dropped and have the armband taken away by our next manager. And he can't have any complaints about it either, surely he knows this unless he's delusional? Varane and Lindelof are our best defenders and should be allowed to form a partnership.
Was he good last season though? Depends on the definition of good i guess? He started the season off very badly but he was defended by people saying his bad form was the result of ''Harry his adventures in Greece'. After he while he started to play better, he played fine (read : didnt stand out with bad form or mistakes like he makes this season) but it wasnt anything special that could be called good i think. He just did his part in a Ole team where he had Fred and McT sit in front of him. Near the end of the season he got injured and came back during the Euros where he played a good tournament. England their safety first tactics did help him to shine at that tournament though.
This season has just been horrendous. First he was excused for it (again) because 'Euro hangover' but by now people are over that and actually stopped making excuses for him... well there is Harry himself who defends himself in this topic.
I would say his Manchester United carreer was okay, clearly not worth the money but that is not Harry his fault. He was doing okay until this season... this season he has been shocking.
And yet he's been the cornerstone of an England defence that has kept 10 clean sheets in the last 14 games he's played.
Putting everything on Maguire, like he's a one-man wrecking ball, completely ignores how utterly dysfunctional the whole side has been from a defensive POV for a long, long time.
Yes, he's had a very poor season at club level, but the problems go way deeper than just one guy.
England play 5 at the back and 2 defensive midfielders because Southgate is a crap and conservative manager who cannot get the best out of a very talented squad.
We are Manchester United and attack most teams (or are at least expected to). The difference in levels and expectations is exactly why Maguire 'does well' for England. He needs someone to cover for his obvious physical and mental deficiencies.
If we’re so much better without him how come we only won one of those games?
A much better and far more concerning indicator of the state of the club is that Maguire wears the shirt in the first place.
I never said we were so much better without him, just that he's the worst part of a failing team.
Southgate has switched between a back 3 and back 4 for much of those games. He's not totally wedded to one system.
Where he is conservative is midfield. Maguire usually has Rice and Phillips ahead of him, so there's a solidity that he doesn't get at United. That's a big part of the reason he generally looks very good for England.
None of this is intended to be Maguire apologism btw. As I said before, he's been very poor this season. But anyone dumping our problems solely at his door is either a bit simple or just totally incapable of looking at the wider picture.
He isn't the worst part at all. He's possibly the most out of form but he definitely isn't the worst part of the team by any stretch, not even close. He's just the easiest target frankly.
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