Nope, you can say he hasn't been good and at the same time acknowledge he doesn't deserve booing from England fans.
How do we sell Harry Maguire?
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Nope, you can say he hasn't been good and at the same time acknowledge he doesn't deserve booing from England fans.
The only targeted media campaigns against United players have been aimed at our foreign contingent, fan toxicity is a separate matter entirely.
England fans booing him is nonsensical and done by idiots, United fans booing him at United is par for his performance this season the same way other underperforming players have been treated harshly this season (like Rashford)
I'd say they have just watched him kick a football mate
Personally I would say his poor form has been wildly exaggerated. In my opinion, several other players have been worse on a regular basis but haven't had anywhere near the level of stick. However, that is by-the-by, people can think whatever they want about a players ability.
However, this tonight is bizarre. Maguire has been integral to England's success. Maguire continues to be picked week-in, week-out at club level, domestic and International teammates have praised his attitude and leadership and here he gets booed before a ball has even been kicked? Shameful.
Sometimes I wish for his sake he'd miss a few England/United games with a minor injury, so the general public would realise what an absolute shambles we would be without him. It certainly wouldn't be any better, which is why he keeps getting picked by the way.
If United managed 10M for this bot it would be an incredible offer and they should accept it.
Utterly disgraceful, he’s had a shit season but so have half our team & none of them suffer anything like this bizarre bullying.
what a stupid thing to say.
Bollocks, he's worth at least 35m. If he could recapture his best form he's a good player.
He’s England’s first choice CB and United captain, less than 12 months ago he helped England to their final in 50+ years and United to 2nd. He’s had a shit season but a few clubs would bite our hands off at that kind of price.
Always the same on here. "If player X could regain his form... "
we'll be here in 5 years saying the same thing, just like we're still here 10 years later saying "if Jones could stay fit..."
One day United fans will accept what they see with their eyes every week rather than burying their heads in the sand.
Let’s be honest, 35M only because he’s English because if he played anywhere else in the world we would be subtracting that.
He’s really just not that good.
Yeah definitely. We'd probably be asking for more like 45-55m.
Lindelöf and Bailly went for similar and they are fuxking shite and not English.
Mangala, an utterly terrible footballer went for about 50m euros ten years ago.
Hang on, the poster was talking about Maguire's worth, not his current form. So not sure what this rambling is about.
Exactly so if they were to be sold now do you think they would be worth 40M?
All 3 of them ain’t worth anything near that. The difference is United paid 80M for a training cone.
Weird rant, off on a massive tangent.
I think Swedish skipper Lindelöf would likely attract around 30m, yes.
Have you paid attention to how much average players cost these days? Mings went for 30m euros man
Don’t double down on a shit throwaway comment.
Genuine question here - who was the last 29 year old defender to go for £35m+? Bonucci for his one disastrous year at Milan?
I just don't think teams are going to be keen on Maguire even at that price to be honest. £10m as a mooted fee is over the top but when his contract is taken into account I can't imagine you'd get a fee for him even approaching £35m.
They were 6+ years younger and signed far less lucrative contracts.
We picked the defence Vs every decent side.
He has a long contract which surely increases the fee? I think that if I were on the negotiating table at United, there are things you can point to to highlight the value of Maguire such as his good form at the Euros and for us at times.
Just because he is not Man United quality doesn't make him worthless. There are crazy fees being paid for average players all the time. Leeds just paid us 30m for Dan James.
Obviously in todays over inflated market sure to some EPL club you can get that.I think Swedish skipper Lindelöf would likely attract around 30m, yes.
Have you paid attention to how much average players cost these days? Mings went for 30m euros man
Don’t double down on a shit throwaway comment.
You won’t see any Ajax or smaller club who can afford that money spend it on those guys .
Obviously 10M is tongue in cheek because there isn’t any half decent player you can get for 10M. As yuh stated scrubs have sold for 30M in todays market
Which is the point. If Maguire, England first choice centre half goes up for sale, of course you’re gonna get more for him than fecking Mings.
It’s a joke he is most expensive defender of all time and Utd Captain, ludicrous for him to be even one of those let alone both. But neither are his fault and he’s done well for England so shame he was booed.
England should have better CB’s than him, in another era he wouldn’t even make the squad, but it’s slim pickings still so he’ll be a starter for a little while longer whether England fans like or not.
England should have better CB’s than him, in another era he wouldn’t even make the squad, but it’s slim pickings still so he’ll be a starter for a little while longer whether England fans like or not.
Hah he was the first name to come to mind but conveniently he cost us only £34m to bring back, so checkmate!
In all seriousness though, I feel like that's a bit of a different situation - that's a defender going from a top club to another top club, and surely in the scenario where Maguire is being sold it's to someone who's midtable? Newcastle are of course the wild card in all this but I just can't see them plumping for Maguire when they were pushing for the likes of Sven Botman this past winter.
Good point re: the contract length. I'm definitely playing a bit of devil's advocate here; I don't think Maguire is awful but I do think he has to have the right personnel around him to be successful - his limitations are such that he can't just be dropped into any system and be expected to thrive and that makes selling him very complicated.
I think you could get £40m for him even after a shit season, he’s always fit and plays week in week out, but I can’t see anyone paying 50 or above..
Mid table Aston Villa as mentioned, spent almost 30m quid on Mings.
I reckon the likes of big spending Everton would bite United’s hand off at 35mil.
This is bang on.
I mean, this actually happened at the tail end of last season and what a clusterfeck it was.
But Mings was 26 at the time and signed a contract far far cheaper than Maguire's. It's not just the transfer fee, teams are now wise to the impact large salaries have on their budget and are increasingly mindful of potential future fees. I'm really not trying to WUM here, I just can't see a midtable side in England committing that much for Maguire right now (that's assuming he doesn't take a huge wage cut to facilitate a move).
Wouldn't count on Everton by the way, their accounts are an absolute shitshow:
100m in Covid times aint anything shocking in fairness.
As for the bold, like feck they are.
I’ll leave it at this… last Summer in the midst of a global pandemic Villa paid almost 40m euros for Buendia. Roma paid 40m for Abraham. Ben White was what? Almost 60m quid.
Yet United wouldn’t get 35 for their skipper and first choice England CB. Like feck. You pay that for some utter dross these days, we paid 50 for fecking DvD and AWB.
35 for Maguire now would get that 5 years of a defender that doesn’t rely on pace and that starts for England and barely misses a game from injury. It’d be a no brainer.
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Yeah the 100m makes sense, just mean that they're unlikely to be able to make huge outlays on players given the increased scrutiny on their books at the moment. Also they might find themselves in the Championship anyhow.
Also you're right re: the bolded from my previous post - there are always teams willing to do stupid things. I guess my point though is that how many of those teams willing to do stupid things overlap with ones that Maguire would be willing to sign for given he's currently Man United captain and a regular for England? I just don't think that Venn diagram is extensive - which in turn deflates any potential transfer fee.
But this is part of my point - Maguire is 29 now. There are more or less only 2 players his age at his position who have transferred for ~£35m in the last decade - and both were significantly better than Maguire. And this is before his contract is taken into account.
Also frankly I'm not sure I'd be pointing towards deals United have made in recent years as being reflective of market value - who else was coming close to those valuations for VdB and AWB?
Who else on here thought 26 yr old Mings was worth almost 30m, who else was coming close to 60 for White?
We paid 41 for 28 yr okd Varane who could negotiate a free transfer just 6 months later.
You just don’t see many CB’s at 29 moving clubs, that’s why it’s hard to find examples, because that tends to be their peak.
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White was 50m aged 23. Mings was 20m rising to 25m aged 26. Both are on far cheaper contracts than Maguire and given potential resale fees are far better value for money. Plus what you're overlooking is that both were upgrading in terms of club profile when they made their moves - Maguire moving from Man United to anywhere is all but guaranteed to be a downgrade, so he will almost certainly not accept a lower salary and that comes out of any potential transfer fee.
But if you really need a player going from a top club to a mid table club, for a silly price, turning 28 that season, look not further than the 30m euros Palace paid Liverpool for fecking Sakho.
And that was like 5 years ago, before a market turned so mental that someone like White goes for almost 60mil.
Doesn’t matter how you paint it, if United’s skipper, and England first choice and Euro final defender Maguire goes for sale at around 35, someone is biting their hand off.
Ben White for what it’s worth, is on 120 k /week.
Hummels went for 30m turning 31 that year.
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But if you really need a player going from a top club to a mid table club, for a silly price, turning 28 that season, look not further than the 30m euros Palace paid Liverpool for fecking Sakho.
Doesn’t matter how you paint it, if United’s skipper, and England first choice and Euro final defender Maguire goes for sale at around 35, someone is biting their hand off.
you know what, I'd completely forgotten about the Sakho deal! Fair point!I guess I just can't envision it nowadays - looking at Palace for instance, they signed Guehi and Andersen at CB in very savvy deals giving them resalable assets at below-market contracts. I feel like the era of midtable clubs signing expensive cast-offs from top sides is a thing of the past - but as you've alluded to it only takes one buyer.
Again, if Maguire is put in the shop window for 35m how many of the clubs who are biting are ones he'd be willing to sign for? Unless something drastic happens and the next manager tells him he's exiled from the squad I have a hard time believing he'd accept a downgrade to a midtable side.
Agreed. But the point was about what a club would be prepared to pay, not what Maguire would be prepared to accept.
All it needs is for Brenton to desperately want him back after their dog shit season, or Lampard desperate to shore up that defence, or Howe desperate for some real experience. And Maguire being fine dropping his wage to say 110k /week to facilitate it because he can’t stand the meme United has made him into. It’s a deal affordable to all that absolutely can imagine being attractive to all parties.
That's fair enough! I guess I'd argue any potential fee would be intertwined with Maguire's salary demands - with the latter likely having a major impact on the former. If we're considering it in a vacuum though I would not quibble with your valuation.
Appreciate the chat mate - I'm off to bed but was a pleasure having this back and forth! Happy to discuss further on the morrow though
cus he is a fraud and everyone knows it. Imagine if he actually was good, would that happen then? Feel sad for him as a person, but it is what it is. He could just do the talking with his feets, but have not
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