How do we sell Harry Maguire?

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I said a little while ago that Ragnick should take the captaincy off him, have the armband rotating for the rest of the season and let whoever is your perm manager pick the next captain. That way Ralf takes any dressing room heat for stripping Maguire and the new guy has one less thing to worry about.

Yeah it’s clearly an issue. There are video compilations on YouTube of Maguire making mistakes with millions of views. Also all comments on social media are hateful towards him and media stories of his team mates being unhappy with him as captain. He has obviously seen all this and is only human, he probably gets really down about it and questions himself.

As you say, the kindest thing anyone could do would be to strip him off it. Looks like it will have to be the new manager, hopefully when Ralf does his handover, that will be on the agenda.
 


His passing has been absolute shit since his Hull days

Good grief that's horrific. The fact he was given the captaincy so soon after joining pretty much sums up this clubs decision making over the last 10 years. There should be very few if any player on the planet who has the status to be able to join a club like Manchester United and be captain so soon after joining, Harry Maguire is not one of them.
 
The videos of his displays this season have not imo been taken out of context, he's having a mare!. UTD will not sell him, that's a given but I hope we get a CB In to at least push him to not make stupid errors, his passing has been atrocious this season. Maybe the new guy will tell him to concentrate on defending and maybe leave passing out from the back to Varane.
Who knows but he can't get any worse. Imo I'd take the captaincy off him and tell him to concentrate on his form .
 
Just got notification from ManUtd app about how our captain is hurting after our CL exit. Headlines of the article: "Why leader Maguire deserves our backing"
Lovely article, with everything he is doing at the club, now I know why he is so crap on the pitch.
 
Here it is:

As United’s group of internationals head off to join up with their respective countries this week, each one will be aiming to get some game time in, stay injury-free and return to Carrington wholly intent on ending the season positively – none more so than captain Harry Maguire.

The Champions League exit to Atletico Madrid hurt the skipper desperately, and with nine vital Premier League games remaining, Maguire’s sole focus for the rest of the 2021/22 campaign will be to rally the squad and start to turn things around for the club he has taken to his heart since his arrival from Leicester City three years ago.
When selecting Maguire for international duty this week, England manager Gareth Southgate was keen to put some respect on the defender’s name, firmly telling journalists: “He’s been a key part of the starting XI that got us to a World Cup semi-final and a Euros final. There’s no doubt in my mind that he’s one of our best centre-backs.”

With 41 caps and having been named in the Euro 2020 Team of the Tournament, Maguire is one of the senior figures in the England squad, taking on a leadership role that he has embraced since joining United in the summer of 2019.

Upon his arrival at the club, one of the first requests from our new no.5 was to ask to meet employees across all areas of the club. That meant visiting eight offices in and around Old Trafford, something he repeated when he was named captain in order to understand all aspects of the club.

It was an early sign that from a leadership perspective, Maguire was taking on the importance and responsibility that came with the armband, and he encouraged new team-mates to take the same approach when it came to a holistic view of the club.

“You can take for granted sometimes the effort that goes into helping us play football,” he said at the time. “From logistics to cleaners and the catering staff. They’re all here to help us win football matches, so they’re as much a part of the team as the players. I wanted the players to know them too.”

One of those departments that Maguire has worked closely with is the MU Foundation, and as the charity arm of the club celebrates its 15th anniversary, the captain has continued to do all he can to give his time and raise vital funds for the work within the local communities.

He played a leading role in the club’s Covid response, helping the efforts to get activity packs to frontline workers’ children, and delivering food boxes to the elderly at Christmas in 2020 when the late lockdown U-turn left vulnerable people without festive plans.

Earlier this season he was thrilled to visit the Foundation partner school Brentwood School and Community College, his first post-lockdown Foundation activity.

“When I first joined the club, I realised how much the Foundation does in the community and while I was able to support here and there during the pandemic, the restrictions made it difficult. I’m delighted to be back, and I know all the lads feel this way too, we’ve missed it – coming here to put smiles on kids’ faces, making memories with them and have a little bit of fun ourselves.”

Clearly the club’s commitment to developing the best young players through our Academy is a vital part of our identity, and Harry’s support for those coming through the ranks is conducted publicly and privately, speaking to the young graduates at Carrington and watching matches from the sidelines.

He was in the Old Trafford stands for the Under-18s’ recent Youth Cup semi-final win over Wolves and Head of Academy Nick Cox revealed that he had shared his own experiences of the competition in a pre-match speech to the young squad.

“Harry popped down to the dressing room before the game to speak to the boys,” said Cox after the game. “He approached us yesterday. Harry was watching Youth League games at Leigh Sports Village right in the early rounds at the beginning of the season. He’s got a keen interest, he watches youth team games, this isn’t a gimmick, something he’s done for tonight’s game. This is consistent with his behaviours but obviously, it catches the attention tonight. It was important for the boys to know they had support from across the club and the club captain, so it was nice he could pop in, say a few words, then sit back and watch the game with us in the directors’ box.”

Maguire extended his work with the Academy this year when he became the ambassador for their Mental Health Awareness month, something that is sadly all too important as the growing toxicity around football continues to blight our game.

“Manchester United does fantastic work in this area across the first-team, Academy and in the community,” said Maguire. “I know first-hand what players experience when they are developing and, as club captain, I am always there to support them as they come through the system. It is important that everyone feels comfortable to discuss any problems they may have and that as a society we promote good mental health for all.”

Since the early days of his United career, Maguire has embraced the responsibilities that come from being the captain of this club. He immersed himself in the history of United, reading books and watching documentaries on away trips and in his spare time.

Each year around the Munich anniversary, he has taken a leading role in the club’s commemorations, and urges team-mates to follow his lead.

“Every year when it’s the anniversary, we remember what a huge tragedy it was,” he said this year. “But it’s a tragedy from which the club has built a lot of its tradition and foundations, and it shows its togetherness with the fans when the anniversary comes around. The club, in general, has shown such togetherness over the years, in rising again and showing spirit. Anyone who signs for the club, it’s definitely important that they find out about our history. That’s what the tradition is built on.”

While Harry has understood the responsibility that comes with the captaincy across all these areas, there is no doubt the fundamental and primary objective that comes with the role – leading the team on the pitch and in the changing room, and helping to deliver success on the field.

There are a number of leaders in the United squad, and that collective responsibility is something Maguire discussed at the start of the season.

“I think it goes under the radar a little bit in terms of how important it is not just to have one leader,” he told United Review. “You need numerous leaders and lots of voices in the dressing room and on the pitch as well. It’s not all about just voices, it’s about how you handle yourself around the place, putting people first and being a real team player, and we have numerous players like that. I feel like as a club we’re heading in the right direction in terms of having lots of leaders and a better mentality in the squad to push on to enable us to win trophies, which is what it’s all about.”

It’s bitterly disappointing that the quest for silverware has come up short this season, but the Reds, led by Maguire, won’t stop until success is delivered for the fans.

“You sign for this club to win trophies, and that’s the main reason why you want to play for this club. We know at this club that we demand trophies, and we’ve gone too long without one.”
 
Honestly I think it would really help him do that if we took the captains armband away from him. He won’t have any pressure and can just focus on playing his game. Being the captain at Man Utd is different than at other clubs, too much scrutiny and coverage.
I fully agree with this.
 
Harry Maguire has never been an excellent player.
I think he was excellent in the season where United finished second, made the Europa League final, and also when England made the Euro finals.

Certainly his level then was much superior to what has been on show this year.

He needs a long break and i think he could come good again, personally. But time will tell!
 
I read on one random site that we want to sell him. First we need to find someone with more money than sense to take him off our hands so we can replace him. He can't start for us next season much less stay as the captain. I just feel he is better off leaving in the summer than staying as an expensive bench option on massive wages and being a constant annoying reminder of our transfer failures.
 
The actual question to be asked should be whether United will sell him. The answer is clearly no.
 
What I don’t understand, is that we’ve had expensive flops before and we’ve moved them on quickly. That’s the only way to recover from such a mistake.
From Gary Birtles back in the 80’s, to Veron, then Sanchez (a nightmare of a wage bill) none survived more than a season or two.
Now it seems that inconsistency and complete loss of form are rewarded with chance after chance and the offers of new contracts.
It’s no wonder we’re on the road to nowhere.
 

The remarkable thing is that I’ve not heard any pundits utter a word about him being not good enough, apart from maybe Keane, but I’ve heard lots bizarrely have a go at Varane and don’t quite get. Varane has been one of our better players. Usually a 6-7/10 week in week out, with the occasional 8/10
 
If you take away the captaincy and the price tag he would actually be an OK squad player and could still contribute towards the team. It has gone too far at this stage for him at United though, he simply has got to go. Anything above £20m would be decent damage limitation considering every time he plays he is a liability and dropped points should also have an equitable value if you want to look at it through a commercial lens.
 
The remarkable thing is that I’ve not heard any pundits utter a word about him being not good enough, apart from maybe Keane, but I’ve heard lots bizarrely have a go at Varane and don’t quite get. Varane has been one of our better players. Usually a 6-7/10 week in week out, with the occasional 8/10

Its the same pundits that would never usher a negative word about Ole yet doubt Ralf.
 
A year ago, he was maybe the most important player along with Bruno -the player missed most if injured. I'd keep him and get rid of Luke Shaw.
 


I don't understand this. How does this information get out and since when is Rangnick making decisions the incoming manager should be making? Rangnick could recommend to the new manager Maguire go and supply data to back it up, but it should be the manager's decision. In the end, Maguire may just find himself replaced and joining Phil Jones until an offer comes in or his contract expires.
 
A year ago, he was maybe the most important player along with Bruno -the player missed most if injured. I'd keep him and get rid of Luke Shaw.
I don't know, it seems to me like he looked important because he was always available which instantly put him ahead of Jones and Baily. But in the terms of actual performance in the game, not that important.
 
A year ago, he was maybe the most important player along with Bruno -the player missed most if injured. I'd keep him and get rid of Luke Shaw.
Actually a year ago, given form, Shaw would have been that player.
 
I don't know, it seems to me like he looked important because he was always available which instantly put him ahead of Jones and Baily. But in the terms of actual performance in the game, not that important.
He did have a good spell but he’s always been a liability. I think with Maguire the problem might be he’s technically not very good, but sometimes he can play well or things work out eg tackles and interceptions etc so it appears like he’s doing well and that masks his technical deficiencies but because he’s doing well we then think yeah he’s stepping up.

But it’s like Italians say, if a CB has to tackle it means he was initially beaten or was already at fault due to poor positioning. But here we view last line tackling as a good thing.
 
The remarkable thing is that I’ve not heard any pundits utter a word about him being not good enough, apart from maybe Keane, but I’ve heard lots bizarrely have a go at Varane and don’t quite get. Varane has been one of our better players. Usually a 6-7/10 week in week out, with the occasional 8/10
Because he still has the Euro hangover :lol:
 
If you take away the captaincy and the price tag he would actually be an OK squad player and could still contribute towards the team.

Also, if you take away his form issues....

Every player can go through bad periods, the question is how bad you are during that time and how long it lasts. It's been too bad and too long.
 
If you take away the captaincy and the price tag he would actually be an OK squad player and could still contribute towards the team. It has gone too far at this stage for him at United though, he simply has got to go. Anything above £20m would be decent damage limitation considering every time he plays he is a liability and dropped points should also have an equitable value if you want to look at it through a commercial lens.
The issue with the ‘if he cost less’ argument is you can use it for pretty much every signing that falls short of expectations. Had Pogba not left & cost £80mil to get back he’d have been a relative success for the Le Harve fee. Had we signed Fred for the reported €15mil Shaktar paid, he’d have been worth much more.

Like you say, it’s gone too far. This isn’t a ‘what could have been’ transfer, we’ve bought the wrong player at the wrong price.
 
For all we know, he might even put in a transfer request due to the ongoing discord in the squad.
I’m pretty sure he’s aware that his name crops up frequently?
 
For all we know, he might even put in a transfer request due to the ongoing discord in the squad.
I’m pretty sure he’s aware that his name crops up frequently?
No chance. As much of a meme as he is, he's somehow miraculously found himself in the position of being United captain, on £190k a week where he's well and truly out of his depth.

No one will be stupid enough to take him on at his wages, and not even the likes of Newcastle are stupid enough to take him on when there are far superior and cheaper options out there.

The only way I can see him being compelled to leave is if he's phased out the team entirely to the point he's dropped from the England squad. Hopefully our next manager is given the agency to do so if he feels he's a liability.
 
No idea why England fans are booing him. Just jumping on a bandwagon, he's been alright for them. Sad idiots.
 
He’s getting the Phil Jones treatment. Being turned into a meme and bullied and harassed online on a daily basis. It’s really fecking sad and pathetic
 
Jesus, he's had his issues but the booing is utterly stupid, especially at an England game and when he played very well at the Euros.
 
Why are they booing Maguire, feck off. They only conceded two goals in 7 games in the Euros with him in the defence. How he's played for United has nothing to do with England. I wouldn't be his biggest fan but just have to feel sorry for him at this point.
 
At this point, what is happening to Maguire is not just a reasonable reaction to him having a bad season. Plenty of people at this stage make comments about him that are just nasty, and unfortunately a lot of it is coming from our own fanbase.

I've seen people making completely unfounded attacks on his character and professing their hatred for him with absolutely no attempt to deconstruct what might actually be going wrong for him this season, and what might be done to rectify it. To be fair, this style of criticism whereby unfounded attacks on the characters of players who are simply performing badly is far from limited to Maguire. In recent years, though, I'd say he's been one of the biggest targets of it.

To be clear, this post is not aimed at people who simply don't rate Maguire as a player. It is completely valid to think the guy isn't of the required standard for Manchester United, and that the club would be better off selling him. This is rather aimed at those who simply spout invective about him, whilst adding nothing to the discussion about him as a footballer.

And as a final addendum, if you're thinking of responding to this post with "Oh boo hoo, maybe he should try playing better", save your breath. Poor performances on the football field merit criticism. They don't merit a torrent of abuse. Just look at what happened to Phil Jones if you don't think this sort of diatribe affects players.
 
Hope all those who have jumped on his back realise now they have been diddled by the press agenda and social media trolls

Disgraceful to see tonight, shows what a targeted media smearing can do.
 
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