Gaming Horizon: Zero Dawn (PS4)

[Redlambs]

But it's true. You hardly ever like much about games coming out these days, I get that it's the nostalgy part about the old days playing its role here but we need to accept that it's 2017, a lot of things in games have already been done and plenty of new games are just games that are repeating the same stuff that had been done previously.

That's bullshit that Weaste used to spout, it's not true at all and where I once thought you were just messing around, now it seems you are not.

So how about this, challenge my actual opinions on games rather than spouting nonsense based on my perceived persona on this site. Because I can point to the moment people started thinking I was harsh on games, GT5, GTA4 and Skyrim, and look what's happened since then...Plus I've been positive enough about this and loads of new games, I buy them all and I play them all, I'd be mad to if I didn't like modern games wouldn't I?


Maybe, just maybe, I have a different opinion on what a game should be. Maybe I don't buy into the hype, reviews, clicks and all that nonsense. Maybe I just love games and I speak my mind. Sadly, that's something more and more frowned upon, but so be it.

 

[One Night Only]

I feel this is what it supposed to be. A good game that plays well with a good storyline. They were never advertising this as groundbreaking. TLOU or Uncharted did nothing new either and both are considered excellent too. Witcher 3 hardly did anything new either, it just did a lot of stuff (especially storytelling) much better.

I think that's why i loved TW3, the way the stories were told, the different accents and different types of people you met, they actually did feel like different people. It also didn't follow the happy every after path, it actually managed to make you feel extremely guilty at the choices you made.

This is where HZD falls a bit flat, everyone i talk to a character who is part of the storyline i imagine the voice actors and not the characters, only Rost and Aloy seem to keep me in the game way of thinking.

 

[Peanut Butter]

That's bullshit that Weaste used to spout, it's not true at all and where I once thought you were just messing around, now it seems you are not.

So how about this, challenge my actual opinions on games rather than spouting nonsense based on my perceived persona on this site. Because I can point to the moment people started thinking I was harsh on games, GT5, GTA4 and Skyrim, and look what's happened since then...Plus I've been positive enough about this and loads of new games, I buy them all and I play them all, I'd be mad to if I didn't like modern games wouldn't I?


Maybe, just maybe, I have a different opinion on what a game should be. Maybe I don't buy into the hype, reviews, clicks and all that nonsense. Maybe I just love games and I speak my mind. Sadly, that's something more and more frowned upon, but so be it.

Skyrim is toss.

I am relatively new here but have noticed a lot of PS4 owners, more than PC and Xbox.

People who get protective over video games or video game consoles are strange. I mean, as consumers, who cares? We don't owe Sony or MS anything. We have already spent a fortune on their machines and games.

HZD is good but like Uncharted 4, I don't understand what the huge fuss is about?

Bloodborne for example I could understand. It was incredibly deep but at the same time, extremely accessible. To this day no rpg gets near From Software's combat mechanic. Witcher 3 felt like floaty crap when fighting. Another game people drool over and I'm really not a fan.

It doesn't mean that I "don't like games." It just means that I have high standards and won't kiss Sony or MS's backside.

 

[One Night Only]

Skyrim is toss.

I am relatively new here but have noticed a lot of PS4 owners, more than PC and Xbox.

People who get protective over video games or video game consoles are strange. I mean, as consumers, who cares? We don't owe Sony or MS anything. We have already spent a fortune on their machines and games.

HZD is good but like Uncharted 4, I don't understand what the huge fuss is about?

Bloodborne for example I could understand. It was incredibly deep but at the same time, extremely accessible. To this day no rpg gets near From Software's combat mechanic. Witcher 3 felt like floaty crap when fighting. Another game people drool over and I'm really not a fan.

It doesn't mean that I "don't like games." It just means that I have high standards and won't kiss Sony or MS's backside.

Kind of the opposite here, I'm now at the point i don't want my games to kill me every 5mins (blood borne, souls etc) and just enjoy playing through for the story a lot of the time, i actually much prefer games on normal or even easy these days. The challenge isn't what draws me in anymore. I'm happy just strolling through sort of and taking stuff in i can still see the faults in the games i do that with but it's ok because all i want to do is wind down and lose myself for a few hours.

 

[Redlambs]

Skyrim is toss.

I am relatively new here but have noticed a lot of PS4 owners, more than PC and Xbox.

People who get protective over video games or video game consoles are strange. I mean, as consumers, who cares? We don't owe Sony or MS anything. We have already spent a fortune on their machines and games.

HZD is good but like Uncharted 4, I don't understand what the huge fuss is about?

Bloodborne for example I could understand. It was incredibly deep but at the same time, extremely accessible. To this day no rpg gets near From Software's combat mechanic. Witcher 3 felt like floaty crap when fighting. Another game people drool over and I'm really not a fan.

It doesn't mean that I "don't like games." It just means that I have high standards and won't kiss Sony or MS's backside.

@Sarni is a proper gamer, at least in my mind.

I just think people get too precious these days, but also too willing to accept shite. Horizon is a decent game, I'm enjoying it and there's not a single post to show otherwise, but unless it's "OMG THE BEST EVA!!!!!" it seems that is a flag to attack. I mean, look at the Xbox thread the second the scorpio specs came out. Embarrassing reality tv style shite.



But hey ho, that's the norm even on here now. And to think, we used to laugh at the likes of Neogash for this level of debate.

 

[Redlambs]

Kind of the opposite here, I'm now at the point i don't want my games to kill me every 5mins (blood borne, souls etc) and just enjoy playing through for the story a lot of the time, i actually much prefer games on normal or even easy these days. The challenge isn't what draws me in anymore. I'm happy just strolling through sort of and taking stuff in i can still see the faults in the games i do that with but it's ok because all i want to do is wind down and lose myself for a few hours.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

 

[ADJUDICATOR]

Skyrim is toss.

I am relatively new here but have noticed a lot of PS4 owners, more than PC and Xbox.

People who get protective over video games or video game consoles are strange. I mean, as consumers, who cares? We don't owe Sony or MS anything. We have already spent a fortune on their machines and games.

HZD is good but like Uncharted 4, I don't understand what the huge fuss is about?

Bloodborne for example I could understand. It was incredibly deep but at the same time, extremely accessible. To this day no rpg gets near From Software's combat mechanic. Witcher 3 felt like floaty crap when fighting. Another game people drool over and I'm really not a fan.

It doesn't mean that I "don't like games." It just means that I have high standards and won't kiss Sony or MS's backside.

I think you have be careful not to confuse your high standards specifically when it comes to combat, with high standards in a general sense. Games as a medium of entertainment draw consumers in so many ways besides that.

 

[muller]

Skyrim is toss.

I am relatively new here but have noticed a lot of PS4 owners, more than PC and Xbox.

People who get protective over video games or video game consoles are strange. I mean, as consumers, who cares? We don't owe Sony or MS anything. We have already spent a fortune on their machines and games.

HZD is good but like Uncharted 4, I don't understand what the huge fuss is about?

Bloodborne for example I could understand. It was incredibly deep but at the same time, extremely accessible. To this day no rpg gets near From Software's combat mechanic. Witcher 3 felt like floaty crap when fighting. Another game people drool over and I'm really not a fan.

It doesn't mean that I "don't like games." It just means that I have high standards and won't kiss Sony or MS's backside.

And I despised bloodborne. Just didn't get on with it. We're all different - games aren't going to unite us and get unanimously positive reviews like when Sonic or Mario Kart was around.. People will find flaws, part of the danger of pushing games to release quicker and try to think of new ideas.

 

[Redlambs]

I think you have be careful not to confuse your high standards specifically when it comes to combat, with high standards in a general sense. Games as a medium of entertainment draw consumers in so many ways besides that.

100% agree.

Gaming covers so many arts and styles.

 

[muller]

Kind of the opposite here, I'm now at the point i don't want my games to kill me every 5mins (blood borne, souls etc) and just enjoy playing through for the story a lot of the time, i actually much prefer games on normal or even easy these days. The challenge isn't what draws me in anymore. I'm happy just strolling through sort of and taking stuff in i can still see the faults in the games i do that with but it's ok because all i want to do is wind down and lose myself for a few hours.

I think i'm in the same bracket as you.. although when a deathbringer kills you after 25 minutes of trying to take it down, there's something extremely satisfying with the bruise you get from punching your leg..

 

[Redlambs]

And I despised bloodborne. Just didn't get on with it. We're all different - games aren't going to unite us and get unanimously positive reviews like when Sonic or Mario Kart was around.. People will find flaws, part of the danger of pushing games to release quicker and try to think of new ideas.

And also part of what pushes things further. I'm glad we all don't like the same thing, we'd have nothing to talk abut ad no new ground to cover!

 

[One Night Only]

There's absolutely nothing wrong with that.

Exactly, we have different types of gamers and none of them can ever be wrong, everyone likes something different. If we all liked the same thing, we would have one game reskinned over and over. The difference of opinions in gamers is what gives us the variety in games today.

I couldn't understand how people liked indie games, they just seemed half arsed titles which were quick to make with poor graphics and boring platformers... Ori, and inside changed my mind. Every genre of game can be amazing. It's just hitting that sweet spot for the person.

 

[muller]

And also part of what pushes things further. I'm glad we all don't like the same thing, we'd have nothing to talk abut ad no new ground to cover!

Wrong

 

[Redlambs]

Wrong

How are you doing these days?

 

[CassiusClaymore]

That shield weave armour is absolutely game breaking

Was able to get on last night for 10 minutes so thought I'd do a corrupted zone which was guarded by 2 rock-breakers. Made absolute mincemeat of them and was happy to stand around for the explosion when I shot their little bellies off.

 

[Redlambs]

That shield weave armour is absolutely game breaking

Was able to get on last night for 10 minutes so thought I'd do a corrupted zone which was guarded by 2 rock-breakers. Made absolute mincemeat of them and was happy to stand around for the explosion when I shot their little bellies off.

It is totally a cheat code


But shhhhh, you can't say that!

 

[muller]

That shield weave armour is absolutely game breaking

Was able to get on last night for 10 minutes so thought I'd do a corrupted zone which was guarded by 2 rock-breakers. Made absolute mincemeat of them and was happy to stand around for the explosion when I shot their little bellies off.

Is that the one you get from the armory?

I think i'm still a long way from that..

 

[CassiusClaymore]

It is totally a cheat code


But shhhhh, you can't say that!

Fun though. I reckon I'll probably take it off for now unless that last mission is as tough as mentioned on here. Agree about the side missions being a bit samey. They're clearly just there to stat boost but the main storyline is pretty cool I think and although nothing groundbreaking the combat is immensely satisfying. I love the triple shot upgrade especially.

Is that the one you get from the armory?

I think i'm still a long way from that..

Yeah man, that's the one. You can't get it until after a certain story mission anyway I think.

 

[Redlambs]

Fun though. I reckon I'll probably take it off for now unless that last mission is as tough as mentioned on here. Agree about the side missions being a bit samey. They're clearly just there to stat boost but the main storyline is pretty cool I think and although nothing groundbreaking the combat is immensely satisfying. I love the triple shot upgrade especially.
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I like the game myself. I just think the actual gameplay is a bit basic, but I do enjoy fecking up robot dinosuars

And the last mission is a very tacked on aspect, it's so blatantly rushed and hence why you need the armour they give you. It's shit design and implementation, however it's beatable without the armour so all is not lost!

 

[CassiusClaymore]

I like the game myself. I just think the actual gameplay is a bit basic, but I do enjoy fecking up robot dinosuars

And the last mission is a very tacked on aspect, it's so blatantly rushed and hence why you need the armour they give you. It's shit design and implementation, however it's beatable without the armour so all is not lost!

Christ. How did you finish it so fast???

I only have 2 free nights a week to play now. Bloodborne and Last of Us (rm) downloaded to play after this. What's the Lambo verdict on those?

 

[Redlambs]

Christ. How did you finish it so fast???

I only have 2 free nights a week to play now. Bloodborne and Last of Us (rm) downloaded to play after this. What's the Lambo verdict on those?

I focus!

I haven't yet gone through bloodborne all the way, but I like it so far. It's like a watered down version of souls, but that's not necessarily a bad thing, if you've played the souls games before to death, a faster paced alternative is actually nice. Last of Us is a really good experience, but very average in game terms. I rate it highly overall, but don't expect it to be as amazing as people seem to make out.

 

[muller]

How are you doing these days?

Yeah, I cant complain mate. 2 boys now, so gaming (and everything else) time is limited! You alright?

 

[Redlambs]

Yeah, I cant complain mate. 2 boys now, so gaming (and everything else) time is limited! You alright?

Good to hear man! I'm pretty much the same as you. Though my two are now more into youtube gamers and watching let's play videos, so I have to hide my disgust!

Though my 6 year old is loving Zelda and the difficulty, including weapon breaking, so I have hope for the future

 

[muller]

Good to hear man! I'm pretty much the same as you. Though my two are now more into youtube gamers and watching let's play videos, so I have to hide my disgust!

Though my 6 year old is loving Zelda and the difficulty, including weapon breaking, so I have hope for the future

Awesome, glad to hear it.

Once a week we let our 3 year old play the diving game (minus shark bit) on the VR - only if he's been good enough though! Know you shouldn't but he literally has it on for 5 minutes and he's only thrown up a few times..

Taking him up to a game next season though, i'm excited for that.

The nearly 1 year old hasn't expressed any interest in football or video games yet. Disappointing.

 

[Redlambs]

Awesome, glad to hear it.

Once a week we let our 3 year old play the diving game (minus shark bit) on the VR - only if he's been good enough though! Know you shouldn't but he literally has it on for 5 minutes and he's only thrown up a few times..

Taking him up to a game next season though, i'm excited for that.

The nearly 1 year old hasn't expressed any interest in football or video games yet. Disappointing.

give him time, he'll come around!

And yeah, screw those age limits on games and vr! True story, I taught my eldest how to count with head shots whilst on my lap watching me play Dead Island. That's 100% truth, and now he aces maths like a legend.

Daddy if the year? I think so.

 

[Jep]

I think i'm in the same bracket as you.. although when a deathbringer kills you after 25 minutes of trying to take it down, there's something extremely satisfying with the bruise you get from punching your leg..

Stormbirds are the ones that seem to feck me up.

 

[Peanut Butter]

And I despised bloodborne.Just didn't get on with it. We're all different - games aren't going to unite us and get unanimously positive reviews like when Sonic or Mario Kart was around.. People will find flaws, part of the danger of pushing games to release quicker and try to think of new ideas.

Which is fine

I wouldn't then respond with a sarcastic comment saying you don't enjoy video games or get precious about it.

You like what you like - no one will ever change that.

It's like @Redlambs said - because I didn't come in here saying that HZD is "amazing" or whatever, it got a few people's backs up. Which is most bizarre but to each his own

 

[Massive Spanner]

Stormbirds are the ones that seem to feck me up.

You can pretty much take them down without taking a hit if you constantly use the ropecaster on them, takes quite a while though.

 

[Sarni]

That's bullshit that Weaste used to spout, it's not true at all and where I once thought you were just messing around, now it seems you are not.

So how about this, challenge my actual opinions on games rather than spouting nonsense based on my perceived persona on this site. Because I can point to the moment people started thinking I was harsh on games, GT5, GTA4 and Skyrim, and look what's happened since then...Plus I've been positive enough about this and loads of new games, I buy them all and I play them all, I'd be mad to if I didn't like modern games wouldn't I?

Maybe, just maybe, I have a different opinion on what a game should be. Maybe I don't buy into the hype, reviews, clicks and all that nonsense. Maybe I just love games and I speak my mind. Sadly, that's something more and more frowned upon, but so be it.

The thing is though, I feel like you are always looking for something "new" in the game while it's not why they are making them. Sometimes a game will just rehash a lot of what has already been done but do this in a good way and it will feel good. You also often question the mechanics while again, it's not something all people look for in games. I can appreciate good combat but prefer other qualities in games, sometimes a good story and a nicely created world will do much more for me than perfectly timed combat system and original character development. I just don't get why so often either you or someone else puts games down as 'meh' because 'they've seen this before'. Fair enough, you have, at one point in 10-15 years there will be nothing original left to do and all you will get is unoriginal games which are largely doing something that had been done 10, 15, 20 years before. It doesn't mean they will be bad games.

Horizon is a very good game. What it does it does well. The world is very intriguing, the story keeps you interested and combat is satisfying and smooth. It's an open world game based in post-apocalyptic world where side missions are very limited in a 'go and pick up something' fashion, but it is compensated by how satisfying combat and leveling up is, and how complete the world feels. It does nothing new, all of this had been done before but it's a competent attempt at telling a very good story in a original world with typical mechanics.

 

[Ainu]

For me most of it boils down to whether a game can give me a sense of purpose and context. If that's there, it can "get away" with more mundane gameplay elements, as the total package is so enjoyable. Stellar gameplay mechanics without adequate purpose or context doesn't do anything for me, which is the issue I have with Souls games, as much as I regret it. It's also why a game like The Last of Us really does it for me. I still haven't played Horizon yet, but I hope it's more like The Last of Us or The Witcher 3 in that regard.

This is also the reason I can't stand Ubisoft games anymore.

 

[Redlambs]

The thing is though, I feel like you are always looking for something "new" in the game while it's not why they are making them. Sometimes a game will just rehash a lot of what has already been done but do this in a good way and it will feel good. You also often question the mechanics while again, it's not something all people look for in games. I can appreciate good combat but prefer other qualities in games, sometimes a good story and a nicely created world will do much more for me than perfectly timed combat system and original character development. I just don't get why so often either you or someone else puts games down as 'meh' because 'they've seen this before'. Fair enough, you have, at one point in 10-15 years there will be nothing original left to do and all you will get is unoriginal games which are largely doing something that had been done 10, 15, 20 years before. It doesn't mean they will be bad games.

Horizon is a very good game. What it does it does well. The world is very intriguing, the story keeps you interested and combat is satisfying and smooth. It's an open world game based in post-apocalyptic world where side missions are very limited in a 'go and pick up something' fashion, but it is compensated by how satisfying combat and leveling up is, and how complete the world feels. It does nothing new, all of this had been done before but it's a competent attempt at telling a very good story.

That's on you though isn't it? I've clearly stated time and time again that people's opinions should vary, that's what makes these kinds of conversations. Can you find a single post of mine through the years where I tell people to not buy game or consoles based on my opinion? You are putting my point of view down, but if I did the same to you and claim you only like simplistic games, like arrows that shoot straight no matter what, then you'd be offended no?

No, I don't always look for something new, you are wrong. But I do like at least mechanics to suit or at very least not move backwards. The arrow play in this is point and click, there's not escaping that. On the plus side it allows for some fun, quick fire gameplay and I like that, but on the other hand, there's no reason it couldn't have better physics behind it. Have you ever considered too, that the reason it looks so good and is so fluid is that they actually did have to cut back on physics? Because, there's plenty of thoughts out there on that too...


Again, point to me a single time where I've said anything other than it's a good game and I've enjoyed it. WHy the feck would I buy it, play a ridiculous amount of hours only to want to not like it? It seems more like you are projecting on me because you like it more than I do and am disappointed in me thinking it has some flaws. And in that sense, you are right, because what game doesn't? Does that mean I can't point them out now, are we all supposed to just agree? Fine, but the problem there is you get all the shit about overrating, the exact opposite.


Sometimes, there's just no way of winning. I respect your opinion, if you can't respect mine then that's fine, I still won't fall out with you on it because I like reading your posts on games. If you don't like reading mine, ignore them, but please stop making silly little digs.

For me most of it boils down to whether a game can give me a sense of purpose and context. If that's there, it can "get away" with more mundane gameplay elements, as the total package is so enjoyable. Stellar gameplay mechanics without adequate purpose or context doesn't do anything for me, which is the issue I have with Souls games, as much as I regret it. It's also why a game like The Last of Us really does it for me. I still haven't played Horizon yet, but I hope it's more like The Last of Us or The Witcher 3 in that regard.

This is also the reason I can't stand Ubisoft games anymore.

That makes a lot of sense. I'm kind of in both camps, if a game is an overall experience then I can appreciate it despite the flaws. Like TLOU. However, if a game has no story but amazing gameplay, then that wins with me too.

 

[Randall Flagg]

The way you have to aim at certain bits sometimes very small bits of the dino’s,


Im not sure they could have had the arrow aiming any differently. I find it very good

 

[CassiusClaymore]

The way you have to aim at certain bits sometimes very small bits of the dino’s,


Im not sure they could have had the arrow aiming any differently. I find it very good

Good point actually. That'd be ridiculously hard with real arrow physics. I think the most satisfying part of the combat is knocking off those components and gradually weakening the enemy. Especially if they drop a big juicy gun.

 

[Redlambs]

The way you have to aim at certain bits sometimes very small bits of the dino’s,


Im not sure they could have had the arrow aiming any differently. I find it very good

For me, and it's just my opinion remember, I find it too simplistic. You point, you shoot and no matter how far away you are, the arrow flies in a straight line. Again, for those who continually miss this, I still enjoyed it, but so many other games have done similar better, it would be nice to actually feel like you were achieving something.

I'm not talking about full on physics or all that, this game isn't the place for that. But it just felt so easy to me. AGAIN, that's my personal opinion of something that would have made it better. Kind of imagine a half step of the Zelda system, just a bit more forgiving to suit the speed.

 

[Redlambs]

Good point actually. That'd be ridiculously hard with real arrow physics. I think the most satisfying part of the combat is knocking off those components and gradually weakening the enemy. Especially if they drop a big juicy gun.

See my above post. I'm not talking real arrow physics, gaming wouldn't work with real physics anyway. Driving games, platformers, sniper games, you name it and the physics most definitely aren't real world. I just find it very arcade like having point and click, I'd have liked a little variation.

In fact, I'm pretty sure in the sequel we may find I'll get what I want. Let's see huh...

 

[Randall Flagg]

Good point actually. That'd be ridiculously hard with real arrow physics. I think the most satisfying part of the combat is knocking off those components and gradually weakening the enemy. Especially if they drop a big juicy gun.

Yup, I only realised you could pick up the big dino's (deathmaw?) gun when you knock it off.

Also the ropecaster is a brilliant weapon too. Thats an original idea I would have thought. But maybe not?

 

[Redlambs]

Yup, I only realised you could pick up the big dino's (deathmaw?) gun when you knock it off.

Also the ropecaster is a brilliant weapon too. Thats an original idea I would have thought. But maybe not?

Variations of it have, but I can't remember a game where you use it to tie enemies down like that.

 

[Sarni]

That's on you though isn't it? I've clearly stated time and time again that people's opinions should vary, that's what makes these kinds of conversations. Can you find a single post of mine through the years where I tell people to not buy game or consoles based on my opinion? You are putting my point of view down, but if I did the same to you and claim you only like simplistic games, like arrows that shoot straight no matter what, then you'd be offended no?

No, I don't always look for something new, you are wrong. But I do like at least mechanics to suit or at very least not move backwards. The arrow play in this is point and click, there's not escaping that. On the plus side it allows for some fun, quick fire gameplay and I like that, but on the other hand, there's no reason it couldn't have better physics behind it. Have you ever considered too, that the reason it looks so good and is so fluid is that they actually did have to cut back on physics? Because, there's plenty of thoughts out there on that too...

Again, point to me a single time where I've said anything other than it's a good game and I've enjoyed it. WHy the feck would I buy it, play a ridiculous amount of hours only to want to not like it? It seems more like you are projecting on me because you like it more than I do and am disappointed in me thinking it has some flaws. And in that sense, you are right, because what game doesn't? Does that mean I can't point them out now, are we all supposed to just agree? Fine, but the problem there is you get all the shit about overrating, the exact opposite.

Sometimes, there's just no way of winning. I respect your opinion, if you can't respect mine then that's fine, I still won't fall out with you on it because I like reading your posts on games. If you don't like reading mine, ignore them, but please stop making silly little digs.

Sorry, wasn't meant to be rude at all and will restrain from saying anything similar in the future. Yes, you don't really recommend to buy or not to buy games based on your feelings, that is true. And I appreciate we are all looking for different things in games, to be fair I consider myself more of a casual gamer - these days I usually take a month or two to finish a game, just not enough time to put heavy hours into this anymore and I often choose to play NBA when I have time. I won't even go deep down into mechanics, I just want to enjoy the story and enjoy the world (as 80% story based games these days seem to be open world, I find it quite important that the world in which I am walking for 20-30 hours feels good!).

And I fully get how people can dislike games other people find fantastic. I bought Nier Automata and Nioh last week, yet to play Nier but I have Nioh a 1-hour try on Saturday and I did not like this at all. I will still give it a bit of a chance and spend a few more hours on it but since it's a 30+ hours game, if I don't like this after 5 or 6, I won't keep playing this for sure. And all I saw on the Internet about the game was praise, the combat was supposed to be absolutely amazing and I find it completely clumsy at this point. I probably prefer simpler games these days - Yakuza 0 for example, in all its simplicity (the combat is basically button mashing) has seemed very good to me. This is perhaps why Horizon's shortcomings don't bother me.

 

[Redlambs]

Sorry, wasn't meant to be rude at all and will restrain from saying anything similar in the future. Yes, you don't really recommend to buy or not to buy games based on your feelings, that is true. And I appreciate we are all looking for different things in games, to be fair I consider myself more of a casual gamer - these days I usually take a month or two to finish a game, just not enough time to put heavy hours into this anymore and I often choose to play NBA when I have time. I won't even go deep down into mechanics, I just want to enjoy the story and enjoy the world (as 80% story based games these days seem to be open world, I find it quite important that the world in which I am walking for 20-30 hours feels good!).

And I fully get how people can dislike games other people find fantastic. I bought Nier Automata and Nioh last week, yet to play Nier but I have Nioh a 1-hour try on Saturday and I did not like this at all. I will still give it a bit of a chance and spend a few more hours on it but since it's a 30+ hours game, if I don't like this after 5 or 6, I won't keep playing this for sure. And all I saw on the Internet about the game was praise, the combat was supposed to be absolutely amazing and I find it completely clumsy at this point. I probably prefer simpler games these days - Yakuza 0 for example, in all its simplicity (the combat is basically button mashing) has seemed very good to me. This is perhaps why Horizon's shortcomings don't bother me.

Then you should appreciate my honesty more!

But seriously, as I said, we won't fall out over this, I like reading your posts on games. There's nothing wrong with liking simplicity, in fact I don't even think that's what draws you to games, you just have less time to play them so want to enjoy them more! Also, Shigeru Miyamoto himself has always taught based on simplicity. Believe it or not, I feel myself being the same, which is why I've gone through Horizon far quicker than Zelda. And I've enjoyed it. I just call things as I see them, I'm not specifically going negative to combat all the excess praise games get at all, I just sometimes tend to point out the things I might see as obvious flaws. Nitpicking mostly, I'll agree, but as I said about the likes or GT5 and GTA4, eventually people see what I do and all the abuse I get for these comments makes sense

I like Horizon, it's one of my favourite games of recent years. In fact, and I'll probably get more abuse for this, but I had more pure fun playing this that Witcher 3. I also think the sequel will introduce aspects I've talked about here. Feel free to bookmark this and laugh at me if it doesn't! I'd bet good money it will though

 

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Then you should appreciate my honesty more!

But seriously, as I said, we won't fall out over this, I like reading your posts on games. There's nothing wrong with liking simplicity, in fact I don't even think that's what draws you to games, you just have less time to play them so want to enjoy them more! Also, Shigeru Miyamoto himself has always taught based on simplicity. Believe it or not, I feel myself being the same, which is why I've gone through Horizon far quicker than Zelda. And I've enjoyed it. I just call things as I see them, I'm not specifically going negative to combat all the excess praise games get at all, I just sometimes tend to point out the things I might see as obvious flaws. Nitpicking mostly, I'll agree, but as I said about the likes or GT5 and GTA4, eventually people see what I do and all the abuse I get for these comments makes sense

I like Horizon, it's one of my favourite games of recent years. In fact, and I'll probably get more abuse for this, but I had more pure fun playing this that Witcher 3. I also think the sequel will introduce aspects I've talked about here. Feel free to bookmark this and laugh at me if it doesn't! I'd bet good money it will though

GT5 was underwhelming but still good, if you had a wheel. On a pad it was pointless. GTA4 is the only GTA game I never bothered to finish, something was broken about it and I just cannot quite feel what. It was just stripped off of so much content compared to San Andreas, its predecessor, it was weird. I think they could have made the whole Liberty City darker setting work but not straight after funky San Andreas (even if there were 3 or 4 years between them).

I appreciate that people like Nioh's combat. It's challenging, I am going give them that but a part of the challenge comes from the fact that it's annoying!