I also think the vast majority of people aren’t what they themselves would consider homophobic. The issue is a refusal to change language that’s been used for so long in football.
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Yep and it's obvious when you see the response to people saying we shouldn't sing the rent boy chant any longer.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s part of the culture war now. At least some of them probably have no strong feelings about gay people at all but continue with these chants because they enjoy being offensive towards people they perceive as too easily offended.
Is homophobia also an issue in women's football? Seems it is less of a systemic problem in the women's game. Perhaps there should be a united campaign from both the womens and mens teams...maybe there already is.
A high proportion of women footballers (and women’s team sports in general) are out as being gay. I don’t follow woman’s football closely but I know that two of the GB women’s hockey team are married to each other. Men’s football seems a very long way from something like that happening!
So it’s a completely different environment to the men’s game where being gay is either incredibly rare or almost never admitted to. I think it’s probably a combination of both. Gay women tend to skew towards being good at team sports, gay men not so much. Although that’s probably massively influenced by the environment they would be thrust into if they tried to excel as an athlete. I don’t know if this is true or not but it feels as though being a gay man in team sports is much harder than in individual sports.
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There’s generally less tribalism in the stands in women’s football. The atmosphere is much more friendly than in men’s games. While there’s some chanting towards opponents, genuine abuse is frowned upon within supporters and supporter groups.
Having said that, there are some cases of transphobia and misogyny every now and then.
Regarding the last point, there absolutely should be more done than rainbow armbands once a season.
Fairly sure we've seen this before, it's very easy to point out the hypocrisy on the surface.
There was something mentioned about the shirt sponsor being part of a contract. The wearing of a rainbow laces and armbands is more of a choice. He's entitled to stand up for his beliefs, but I'm fairly sure players have refused to wear shirts with gambling/alochol sponsorship on them before and were given sponsorless shirts.
There was something mentioned about the shirt sponsor being part of a contract. The wearing of a rainbow laces and armbands is more of a choice. He's entitled to stand up for his beliefs, but I'm fairly sure players have refused to wear shirts with gambling/alochol sponsorship on them before and were given sponsorless shirts.
As someone who is not from UK I didn't know the "rent boys" insult was related to homophobia at all, I though it meant Chelsea is full of mercenaries and no loyal players who actually support the team and play for the badge...
Captain material. What a close minded berk
It's a choice they join a club with a gambling sponsorship and his decision to stay with a club who start such a sponsorship.
Of course, religion is itself a choice. Your sexuality is not.
He is entitled to his beliefs. Just because I or anybody else may not agree with them does not make him wrong, or indeed homophobic for that matter.
I suspect he will have been put under pressure to wear it so fair play for standing up for his belief!
I suspect he will have been put under pressure to wear it so fair play for standing up for his belief!
People are very fairly pointing out how incredibly hypocritic it is to pick and choose what you follow from your religious book of choice.
"religious reasons" is the free pass I need to start using in my life when I don't want to do something.
*Sorry, I can't join this 2 hour Teams meeting, religious reasons".
*Sorry, I can't join this 2 hour Teams meeting, religious reasons".
You know what the biggest hypocrisy is? He has no problem advertising Ed Sheeran's album. Really picks and chooses his morals.
Sorry but, believing people should not be gay for any reason is just plain wrong. It's the equivalent of believing people shouldn't have a disability, or shouldn't have blue eyes or red hair. No one can control their genetic make up and no one should be treated differently as a result of it. So his beliefs do make him wrong and homophobic.
Never said it was.
He can decide what club to sign for, but he can't control the club sponsorship, but if he felt as strongly about his religion being against gambling as he does this, then he could havr refused to wear the shirt with the gambling sponsor. Players have done that in the past.
It is, but there's sure to be some contractual obligation regarding shirt sponsors which takes the decision away from him. I don't expect the same documents apply to the rainbow armband.
I mean, we could say he should in that case, refuse to play for the team with the gambling sponsor, buts its not as easy as that is it.... He will still have bills to pay, football is a short career etc....
EDIT - With the same argument if he outright refused to wear it, should Ipswich have removed him from their squad for the week? If we are saying he is homophobic (not something i agree with) then Ipswich have enabled it!
I mean, no one should be forced to wear it or kneel before the game. goes without saying.
same goes for betting sponsors on his shirt, but I believe it's more complicated depending on the contracts. the club is getting paid for that after all, and player is being paid by that same club. big difference.
if he's free to choose sponsors on his shirt depending on his beliefs, then it's different story.
same goes for betting sponsors on his shirt, but I believe it's more complicated depending on the contracts. the club is getting paid for that after all, and player is being paid by that same club. big difference.
if he's free to choose sponsors on his shirt depending on his beliefs, then it's different story.
The point of the arm band is to support a minority group. It’s an act of kindness. If he took his faith seriously he would do something kind when he has the opportunity to do so. Unless his religion preaches that we should only be kind to people we think deserve our kindness? Which would make it a shit religion.
Just wear the fecking arm band. Nobody is telling him how to live his life when he’s not representing his football team.
He is indeed entitled to his beliefs, it's a free and open society where others are also entitled to point out how damaging beliefs like his are to a free and open society.
There just isn’t any room for this shit to be honest. Religious beliefs my arse.
He’s obviously free to decide against wearing the armband. And I’m free to think he’s a gigantic bigot whom I despise passionately and wish nothing but bad luck.
Misogyny or bigotry (including racism)
That's a very superficial vision of religion. Maybe it's not more than that for you, but for a lot of people it is way more than just something they decided to follow arbitraly. You should educate yourself before saying something like that.
And, in fact, homosexual practice is an option. There are people who have a natural tendency towards gambling, alcoholism, etc. Many of them do not give in to their addiction, or at least try not to.
Anyway, the armband is a very bad idea, which seem made to cause this kind of embarrassment, in a league that receive players from all the cultures, including muslims countries. I do not think PL has to stop defending whatever they believe because of foreigners, but it's unnecessary to force individuals to wear that.
That second paragraph. Oh my.
I know. It's just utterly desperate.
Get fecked.
Mostly it’s ignorance.
What the actual feck?
I get it, and it would have been much easier for him to just wear it and get on with it but, what would you do if for example, your place of work was doing something similar for something that you personally are politically or morally opposed to? Which effected another minority group. Would you show support for the cause or would you say... Sorry, its not something I'm onboard with so count me out.
All im saying is there is no right or wrong thing to do in my opinion. If someone wants to show support, great. If not, its a shame but its your choice.
I guess for a lot of people they're indoctrinated when they're still very young and then it's very difficult to leave again later and your whole network of family and friends are part of the religion.
Are you suggesting it's reasonable for homosexual people to live in celibacy or that they should only partake in sexual activities they don't really want to partake in?
It was only a matter of time.
Trash post.
I think this also reflects badly on the club and they should've done more here. If he doesn't want to wear it fine, give the armband to someone who will
He as an appointed club captain has a duty to represent the club in a manner they expect. He's hung himself out to dry here and will take all the criticism he deserves but there should be criticism for the wider organisation too.
If the club have decided they're going to support this action they shouldn't be in a position for a single player to derail it. They're just as guilty through their non action here - their gay fans in particular have been let down by them
He as an appointed club captain has a duty to represent the club in a manner they expect. He's hung himself out to dry here and will take all the criticism he deserves but there should be criticism for the wider organisation too.
If the club have decided they're going to support this action they shouldn't be in a position for a single player to derail it. They're just as guilty through their non action here - their gay fans in particular have been let down by them
Was he a practicing Muslim before he joined Ipswich? People are jumping on this betting thing, but was he even practising?
Can you give a more concrete example? I like to think that if my company asked me to support a cause I was opposed to, then I would stand up and not support it. But at the same time, I can't imagine that the cause that I so strongly oppose is the support of a minority group...
I was trying to see that situation with the eyes of a religious person, to make it clear; it's not my personal view that those things are the same. If you think that homosexual sex is wrong(and that is just a logical consequence of believing sex for pure pleasure is wrong), then, yes, you should live in celibacy.
Anyway, it's clear your sieve is different around here if you do not follow the general "political" opinion. I really appreciate this forum, so I'll just stop discussing about that.
Genuinely one of the worst things I've ever read on the Caf.
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