Herrera at Holding

[Smores]

Why? He isn't actually that good in the air. If it is decided we need that height, play Carrick. You get height without loosing ability. Barca / Bayern etc don't worry about height, why should we?

Smalling, Bailley, Pogba, Zlatan, Rashford is no midget, we must have averaged one of the tallest sides in the league on Saturday, we don't need Fellaini's height.

Its not just about height, Fellaini provides a physical presence that Carrick just doesn't. Mourinho has favoured him for this purpose and he's done well this season in that regard, i don't expext him to abandon that completely. Ibra makes up for it but without both we'd be a little more susceptible.

We aren't Bayern or Barca and play in different leagues..just to state the obvious

 

[sincher]

With Smalling back in the team, the bulk of Fellaini is not really needed. Herrera and Carrick (not to mention Schweini) are superior players.

 

[jojose]

Its not just about height, Fellaini provides a physical presence that Carrick just doesn't. Mourinho has favoured him for this purpose and he's done well this season in that regard, i don't expext him to abandon that completely. Ibra makes up for it but without both we'd be a little more susceptible.

We aren't Bayern or Barca and play in different leagues..just to state the obvious

We played him against Watford for his physical presence and he didn't win a single header, got no where near making a tackle, isn't capable of following runners and gave a penalty and a freekick away which lead to goals conceded. His physicality is a myth as his is aggression.

 

[sincher]

Oh no, he is physical and aggressive. But he is also lazy and lets players wander past him a lot of the time. He is way too static and can't pass well enough.

 

[Chris M]

Not really. When LVG was here, both carrick and bfs were taking both 2 DM spots who were better than him at least in reputation with bfs. Also morgan played there quite often.

One of the problems (maybe the only problem) LVG had with Herrera was his lack of displicence with positioning which he worked on a lot and became the player he is today. He said so himself.

There were some very shit performances from him on DM roles last season. Probably due to lack of match fitness
Anyway, almost everyone was saying he was better up front because of it back then but Rooney played there as we know.

For LVG to have a problem with a player with his positioning is laughable when you think of the number of players that he played out of position, He some average games like all the players with the exception of DDG for the last couple of season but he has more to offer than the pedestrian Fellaini in that role and MS who has been much more of a disappointment.

 

[Chris M]

We played him against Watford for his physical presence and he didn't win a single header, got no where near making a tackle, isn't capable of following runners and gave a penalty and a freekick away which lead to goals conceded. His physicality is a myth as his is aggression.

Totally agree, for his size he should be much more of a presence, defensively he is a worry given the number of free kicks he gives away and in attack no where near as much of a threat as he should be. Look at the way Pogba attacked the ball for his goal on Saturday compared to the way Fellaini heads when attacking. In all, just not mobile enough.

 

[Chaky_Best]

I don't really think that this is a natural positionning for him. He's more an 8 making transition between midfield and attacks, not defense and midfield. He's not really the shield we need here as he's lazy defensively and with Pogba even more lazy, we can be under serious problem if we have to play dynamic and technical midfielders like City, Ars or Pool.

Ander is very good at chasing the ball and giving impulsion to the games. He's very aggressive and really fast in the way he thinks.

I just think that the solution would be Carrick, but his age and his first few games didn't helped.

 

[prath92]

We played him against Watford for his physical presence and he didn't win a single header, got no where near making a tackle, isn't capable of following runners and gave a penalty and a freekick away which lead to goals conceded. His physicality is a myth as his is aggression.

Eh? He won 6 aerial duels according to the stats.

 

[jojose]

Eh? He won 6 aerial duels according to the stats.

Well he lost a hell of a lot as well then.
Sometimes, as opposed to looking at stats. Its worth watching a game to see a players performance.

 

[prath92]

Well he lost a hell of a lot as well then.
Sometimes, as opposed to looking at stats. Its worth watching a game to see a players performance.

I saw the game and it was Smalling who seemed to get beaten in the air a lot and the penalty aside none of the goals were his fault either. And the penalty made no difference anyway. We lost 3-1 instead of 2-1 is all

 

[jojose]

I saw the game and it was Smalling who seemed to get beaten in the air a lot and the penalty aside none of the goals were his fault either. And the penalty made no difference anyway. We lost 3-1 instead of 2-1 is all

As a defensive midfielder, something is going wrong when two goals are conceded by midfielders running into the box.

The first goal he let the runner go.
The second goal was a free kick conceded by him and again a midfield runner.
The third goal was a penalty.

Your the stats man.....he won 6 aerial duels, how many did he loose?

He isn't good enough at the end of the day and the fluidity of out play between Leicester and Watford was night and day.

 

[Rajeev]

As a defensive midfielder, something is going wrong when two goals are conceded by midfielders running into the box.

The first goal he let the runner go.
The second goal was a free kick conceded by him and again a midfield runner.
The third goal was a penalty.

Your the stats man.....he won 6 aerial duels, how many did he loose?

He isn't good enough at the end of the day and the fluidity of out play between Leicester and Watford was night and day.

Totally agree, Fellaini is not a No.6 at the end of the day. I don't see any contribution he makes to the team. He can't pass properly, can't move around into spaces and play the ball forward. His only real threat comes from his presence while taking free kicks and corners. And keeping it real, we have enough tall players in the side for that.
Fellaini is a liablitiy and he was going to be found out sooner or later. And I'm glad it is early on in the season against Watford. I honestly cannot believe how he has survived 4 seasons in a United side.

 

[adexkola]

Well he lost a hell of a lot as well then.
Sometimes, as opposed to looking at stats. Its worth watching a game to see a players performance.

What are you talking about?

You said Fellaini did not win any aerial duels. The numbers say he won 6. That is not a "watch the game instead of looking at stats" moment, that is you not watching the game those stats were collected from.

 

[prath92]

As a defensive midfielder, something is going wrong when two goals are conceded by midfielders running into the box.

The first goal he let the runner go.
The second goal was a free kick conceded by him and again a midfield runner.
The third goal was a penalty.

Your the stats man.....he won 6 aerial duels, how many did he loose?

He isn't good enough at the end of the day and the fluidity of out play between Leicester and Watford was night and day.

A defensive midfielder has to track the attacking midfielder's run. No one is going to track every single run made by every single midfielder. For instance, in the last game Herrera failed to track Schlupp who ran past him with ease (he is also faster than Herrera in any case), which left Andy King, a midfielder, unmarked in the box to take a free shot. Thankfully the shot was weak and straight at DDG but that was also because Herrera and Pogba failed to track their runners.

The second goal against Watford was due to Pogba letting his man go thereby making Fellaini go over to cover him and instead of marking Fellaini's man, Pogba stood ball watching. He also didn't let any runner go in the first instance. We were defending a corner when martial was dispossessed and capoue came running into the box. Most of our players were still defending in the box. Fellaini was supposed to leave the box to chase after capoue who was retreating away from the goal anticipating a counter from us? Are you for real?

And as adexkola said, you said he didn't win any header and then twisted it saying he must have lost more than he won. I haven't checked the stats but it's highly unlikely he lost 7 aerial duels. He also created the best chance that day (the header to ibra which Gomes saved) other than the goal.

 

[Decomposing In Paris]

What are you talking about?

You said Fellaini did not win any aerial duels. The numbers say he won 6. That is not a "watch the game instead of looking at stats" moment, that is you not watching the game those stats were collected from.

Well @jojose you said he didn't win any, which when compared to winning 6 seems like a wild exaggeration. Perhaps instead of slating someone for finding factual error in your arguments, you could admit that having watched the game, you simply didn't feel he did enough... not suggest that you had anything concrete to back that up that feeling.

Back to the subject. I like Herrera in defensive midfield, I suspect he might not know the position inside out, but from what I've seen (watching the games) he's done a decent job there. Perhaps if he knows that it is absolutely his responsibility to be well positioned, rather than relying on someone else to cover for him, then he will excel in this role. I do think having Blind at left back may help him though.

 

[notcool]

I don't really think that this is a natural positionning for him. He's more an 8 making transition between midfield and attacks, not defense and midfield. He's not really the shield we need here as he's lazy defensively and with Pogba even more lazy, we can be under serious problem if we have to play dynamic and technical midfielders like City, Ars or Pool.

How good is he at playing the final pass though? I don't think I've ever seen him be that creative. Just an energetic player who's a quick passer.

Ander is very good at chasing the ball and giving impulsion to the games. He's very aggressive and really fast in the way he thinks.

Isn't that what we need at No. 6? A metronome, someone to drive us forward?

 

[adexkola]

How good is he at playing the final pass though? I don't think I've ever seen him be that creative. Just an energetic player who's a quick passer.


Isn't that what we need at No. 6? A metronome, someone to drive us forward?

Before the game there were calls for our number 6 to be Carrick like. Shield the defense and initiate attacks from deep.

I agree with your assessment on Herrara by the way. Prior to yesterday I wouldn't peg him as a great defensive player though.

 

[RedCurry]

I've said this before but Herrera and Pogba are the best midfield two we can field. Sometimes we will need to add Carrick to a midfield three but against most oppositions in the league we have to play our two best midfielders in the two midfield spots available.

 

[soad]

I knew even before of the start of the season that Ander could be used and could be very very good at the holding. And why not? City's Fernandinho, Atletico's Gabi and Koke, Real's Modric and even Kante aren't stronger and taller than Herrera. This guy is very underrated. He's got the whole potential to be the long term solution for United in that position. I think he needs a lil bit more trust from the manager and the fans and could become undropable. He's got everything - the pass, the vision, he runs a lot and can cover a wide perimeter, he's a fighting person and it's obviously that he loves the club he's at.

 

[CS@SG]

Football is such a simple game yet with all the analysis that goes on these days it is often over complicated.

Two big lads at centre half who want to defend. Two full backs you are comfortably on the ball, decent enough in the tackle and positional get in the right place. A midfielder that anchors, presses when an appropriate, snaps into tackles and plays it easy and always backs up play and provides an option to the lad in possession. Another midfielder that gets on the ball and probes and looks to get the ball forward and get forward himself. Two wide men who are quick and direct. A focal point #9 and a technical footballer that can float about, pick pockets of space and knit it all together. Easy! So simple. You don’t even have to be that good, Blackburn and Leicester both won the title with that simple philosophy and it’s what we did on Saturday.

Players in their right positions. No passengers. Everybody wanting the ball (which shows that we do have some character in the side and / or Jose has worked wonders during the week).

The argument of bringing back Fellaini for Stoke due to height, why? He’s dog awful in the air. He’s a penalty for pulling waiting to happen. With Smalling, Bailly, Pogba and Zlatan we have plenty of height let’s not lose the ability to move the ball quickly in the middle just for a few inches at set pieces. Let Ander grow into that role. It was only when he came to United that Carrick was played as a proper full time #6. Ander has the ability, passion and determination to make himself the new Michael Carrick, I hope he now gets a run of games to make that position his own. I thought he got the decision of when to press (how he’s been brought up) and when to sit and hold his position absolutely bang on against Leicester.

Is Stoke City really so tall nowadays?

 

[Z_Wolf]

Its not just about height, Fellaini provides a physical presence that Carrick just doesn't. Mourinho has favoured him for this purpose and he's done well this season in that regard, i don't expext him to abandon that completely. Ibra makes up for it but without both we'd be a little more susceptible.

We aren't Bayern or Barca and play in different leagues..just to state the obvious

English league is by no means more physical than La liga or Bundesliga. See Liverpool, Man City and Arsenal.

 

[jojose]

What are you talking about?

You said Fellaini did not win any aerial duels. The numbers say he won 6. That is not a "watch the game instead of looking at stats" moment, that is you not watching the game those stats were collected from.

If he won 6 out of 6.....fair enough. He didn't though did he. I am sure you lads into stats can find the actual stat.....which is likely to be 6 out of 12.

 

[prath92]

If he won 6 out of 6.....fair enough. He didn't though did he. I am sure you lads into stats can find the actual stat.....which is likely to be 6 out of 12.

Herrera vs Leicester

pass accuracy- 88%
interceptions - 6
tackles won - 2 (of 3)
shot - 1
aerial duels won - 1
clearances - 3
key passes - 0
blocks - 1

Fellaini vs Watford

pass accuracy - 97%
interceptions - 0
tackles won - 2 (of 2)
shots - 0
aerial duels won - 6
Clearances - 9
Key passes - 2
blocks - 1

Fellaini vs Man City (whoscored even rated him best United player that day)

pass accuracy - 75%
interceptions - 7
tackles won - 2 (of 2)
shots - 0
aerial duels won - 2
Clearances - 3
Key passes - 3
blocks - 0

Its quite clear that both are effective with each having a skill which the other doesnt, herrera with his more adventurous passing and fellaini with his aerial dominance. Both would be useful in many games that we play. So this whole "I saw the watford game and he was useless" thing is clearly wrong.

 

[ManRant]

Like Herrera in the holding position everytime he plays there but hopefully Schneiderlin can come back to his best. Both of them bring different things to the team. I would say Herrera brings more creativity which is good against low and middle level team. As for Schneiderlin, he brings more balance between attacking and defending, which is I think what we need when we go against better teams.

 

[fatboy]

Thankfully the LvG effects are slowly wearing off on Mata, Herrera and Fellaini.

Can't wait to see what Schneiderlin can do once he recovers, but for now he's still pretty much under LvG's spell though.

 

[jojose]

Herrera vs Leicester

pass accuracy- 88%
interceptions - 6
tackles won - 2 (of 3)
shot - 1
aerial duels won - 1
clearances - 3
key passes - 0
blocks - 1

Fellaini vs Watford

pass accuracy - 97%
interceptions - 0
tackles won - 2 (of 2)
shots - 0
aerial duels won - 6
Clearances - 9
Key passes - 2
blocks - 1

Fellaini vs Man City (whoscored even rated him best United player that day)

pass accuracy - 75%
interceptions - 7
tackles won - 2 (of 2)
shots - 0
aerial duels won - 2
Clearances - 3
Key passes - 3
blocks - 0

Its quite clear that both are effective with each having a skill which the other doesnt, herrera with his more adventurous passing and fellaini with his aerial dominance. Both would be useful in many games that we play. So this whole "I saw the watford game and he was useless" thing is clearly wrong.

No it isn't. He was shocking. That's why he was dropped.

Against Watford i'll take your word he won 6 headers but you still haven't told me how many he lost. He was far from aerially dominant...even the moron that is Robbie Savage highlighted in commentary how poorly he was dealing with aerial balls.

He cant possibly have won 2 out of 2 tackles when he gave a penalty and (atleast 1) free kick away. That's atleast 2 tackles he hasn't won

He didn't make a single interception apparently.

Fellaini was only marginally better than Rooney vs Watford. What was his rating on here??

So you can throw all the stats you want at it, againt Watford, Fellaini was shocking. Against Leicester, Herrera was one of our better players.

Your stats mean nothing mate. I am sorry but I cant possible repect the opinion of anybody who thinks the performance of Fellaini against Watford and City was in anyway comparable to the performance of Herrera against Leicester. Regardless of how many silly stats you rip off the internet

 

[prath92]

No it isn't. He was shocking. That's why he was dropped.

Against Watford i'll take your word he won 6 headers but you still haven't told me how many he lost. He was far from aerially dominant...even the moron that is Robbie Savage highlighted in commentary how poorly he was dealing with aerial balls.

He cant possibly have won 2 out of 2 tackles when he gave a penalty and (atleast 1) free kick away. That's atleast 2 tackles he hasn't won

He didn't make a single interception apparently.

Fellaini was only marginally better than Rooney vs Watford. What was his rating on here??

So you can throw all the stats you want at it, againt Watford, Fellaini was shocking. Against Leicester, Herrera was one of our better players.

Your stats mean nothing mate. I am sorry but I cant possible repect the opinion of anybody who thinks the performance of Fellaini against Watford and City was in anyway comparable to the performance of Herrera against Leicester. Regardless of how many silly stats you rip off the internet

Well, I think the whoscored/ squawka ratings while not perfect are still better than your 'viewing' as at least they take into account stuff that he did rather than making up nonsense and then claiming that 'i saw it so it must be true' and using a washed up footballer who is an even worse pundit's comments as backing for it. Against Watford his rating was 6.9 and that was inferior to Herrera's 7.64, Fellaini had a rating of 7.97 vs city showing that had it not been for Pogba's incompetence, we could have done something in midfield. Anyone with eyes could see that. And before you come up with 'Pogba played better because of Herrera', Pogba had a rating of 8.85 vs Southampton where he played alongside Fellaini (rating 7.43) so it's hardly as if Pogba has struggled because of Fellaini. Pogba struggled because of his own fault.

While stats aren't everything, it's also a very important tool to measure a player. You cannot have a situation where a player played very poorly but his stats show he is very good. You can have good stats only if you have a good game. Maybe the how good can be subjective but it would still be good.

You clearly have some kind of a bias for Fellaini, when according to a third party rating system (which possibly would be unbiased between Fellaini and other players) he has actually played very well this season.

Maybe next time watch without much bias maybe? And fwiw I do think that the tackles attempted against Watford may not be right. Maybe I copied wrong. If so, my bad.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

We won the European cup with Scholes and Carrick.... .

Not quite
In Europe they had many games with the added help of Fletcher and eventually Hargreaves....
.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Why? He isn't actually that good in the air. ....

Huh?
So you think he has fluked his way to winning 95% of his aerial duels this season plus the most headed clearances if any United player?

 

[Massive Spanner]

Not quite
In Europe they had many games with the added help of Fletcher and eventually Hargreaves....
.

Well, many games is a slight stretch seeing as neither of them played a single game in midfield in the last 16

 

[jojose]

Well, I think the whoscored/ squawka ratings while not perfect are still better than your 'viewing' as at least they take into account stuff that he did rather than making up nonsense and then claiming that 'i saw it so it must be true' and using a washed up footballer who is an even worse pundit's comments as backing for it. Against Watford his rating was 6.9 and that was inferior to Herrera's 7.64, Fellaini had a rating of 7.97 vs city showing that had it not been for Pogba's incompetence, we could have done something in midfield. Anyone with eyes could see that. And before you come up with 'Pogba played better because of Herrera', Pogba had a rating of 8.85 vs Southampton where he played alongside Fellaini (rating 7.43) so it's hardly as if Pogba has struggled because of Fellaini. Pogba struggled because of his own fault.

While stats aren't everything, it's also a very important tool to measure a player. You cannot have a situation where a player played very poorly but his stats show he is very good. You can have good stats only if you have a good game. Maybe the how good can be subjective but it would still be good.

You clearly have some kind of a bias for Fellaini, when according to a third party rating system (which possibly would be unbiased between Fellaini and other players) he has actually played very well this season.

Maybe next time watch without much bias maybe? And fwiw I do think that the tackles attempted against Watford may not be right. Maybe I copied wrong. If so, my bad.

Well I’ll continue to form my opinion on what I watch and not on how somebody else rates a performance and especially not on some stats that are clearly incorrect. That way, my opinion will always be that, and not based on numbers randomly generated by god knows who.


I don’t have any kind of bias other than towards Manchester United. I don’t have any preference to any player. Fellaini has been much better this season. Much better. The two games you have highlighted for comparison, he was awful, especially the Watford game when if he wasn’t directly culpable, he certainly had a hand in each of the 3 goals conceded.


To be honest, I got bored reading your response at the point you told me Fellaini got effectively 8 out of 10 against city and 7 out of 10 against Watford. That clearly didn’t happen. Not even close. If a website you frequent says he did, I would suggest you stopped using it to base your opinions on. Out of interest, without quoting numbers from websites, is it your personal opinion that Fellaini was 8 out of 10 against City???

 

[prath92]

Well I’ll continue to form my opinion on what I watch and not on how somebody else rates a performance and especially not on some stats that are clearly incorrect. That way, my opinion will always be that, and not based on numbers randomly generated by god knows who.


I don’t have any kind of bias other than towards Manchester United. I don’t have any preference to any player. Fellaini has been much better this season. Much better. The two games you have highlighted for comparison, he was awful, especially the Watford game when if he wasn’t directly culpable, he certainly had a hand in each of the 3 goals conceded.


To be honest, I got bored reading your response at the point you told me Fellaini got effectively 8 out of 10 against city and 7 out of 10 against Watford. That clearly didn’t happen. Not even close. If a website you frequent says he did, I would suggest you stopped using it to base your opinions on. Out of interest, without quoting numbers from websites, is it your personal opinion that Fellaini was 8 out of 10 against City???

yeah a website I "frequent" which just so happens to be one of the best sites for player analysis and most people base their stats on these. Im sure people who watch games to create analysis are wrong and you (along with the ever so talented Robbie Savage of course) are right.

Only a blind man could say he was culpable for the goals. out of our back 7, he and valencia were least culpable for first 2 and third yeah sure but it had no bearing on the game anyway.

Fellaini was definitely good against City. He was the only one who was winning the ball in midfield. Pogba did nothing that day and the result was that we were bypassed quite easily. I doubt herrera or anyone else could have done much better that half either.

 

[kidbob]

The more I think about it I'm convinced a 433 is the way to go for all our players. Blind or Carrick can sit deep and use their brains and passing to make up for any physical deficiency. Mikhi can roam with herrera covering the right when needed. Pogba can be closer to the opposition goal. Ibra has space to drop deep. Full backs cam get forward without leaving us as short. Martial has the space to cut in.

 

[Mike09]

Long term as our deeplying playmaker? I think we deserve more quality than his if we are going to use a formation with deeplying playmaker. Deeplying playmaker isn't a role we can give to everyone just because they can pass. It's an important role to control the tempo of midfield, if we are a big club who needs a maestro in our team it's not going to be Herrera for a long term. If the role is just a ball winning midfielder which is just break opposition play like what Fellaini does, it's different story. Before thinking about giving a holding role to Herrera permanently, I think we need to see more games of him as a holding midfield first.

 

[jojose]

yeah a website I "frequent" which just so happens to be one of the best sites for player analysis and most people base their stats on these. Im sure people who watch games to create analysis are wrong and you (along with the ever so talented Robbie Savage of course) are right.

Only a blind man could say he was culpable for the goals. out of our back 7, he and valencia were least culpable for first 2 and third yeah sure but it had no bearing on the game anyway.

Fellaini was definitely good against City. He was the only one who was winning the ball in midfield. Pogba did nothing that day and the result was that we were bypassed quite easily. I doubt herrera or anyone else could have done much better that half either.

No just me and Robbie Savage. Paul Scholes and pretty much every pundit going called for Fellaini to be dropped. He was absolutely pathetic against Watford.

First goal scored by a midfield runner.
Second goal scored by a midfield runner after a needless Fellaini foul.
Third goal a penelaty after a clumsy Fellaini tackle.

He was absolutely dire and I don't care what any of your silly little websites tell you. Anybody with half an ounce of football knowledge will tell you that against Watford Fellaini was shocking. Also, please don't repeat the fact you think he was 8 / 10 against City, that's just comical.

8 out of 10 performances in defeats and yet he gets dropped for the next game and all of a sudden the whole team but especially the midfield functions better and we win 4-1?????

Are you Fellaini's mother by any chance?

 

[Vanya]

If Fernandinho can play as a sole holding player with two attacking mids in front of him and do such a good job of it I don't see why Herrera can't do it too. I personally think he's more intelligent in possession than fernandinho and has a better passing range. Athough his work rate is inferior when compared to fernandinho's he still runs himself into the ground every game.

Hes one of the best passers in our team if not the best, he defends and presses the opposition. I think he lacks experience but has all the tools to make that position his own.

 

[prath92]

No just me and Robbie Savage. Paul Scholes and pretty much every pundit going called for Fellaini to be dropped. He was absolutely pathetic against Watford.

First goal scored by a midfield runner.
Second goal scored by a midfield runner after a needless Fellaini foul.
Third goal a penelaty after a clumsy Fellaini tackle.

He was absolutely dire and I don't care what any of your silly little websites tell you. Anybody with half an ounce of football knowledge will tell you that against Watford Fellaini was shocking. Also, please don't repeat the fact you think he was 8 / 10 against City, that's just comical.

8 out of 10 performances in defeats and yet he gets dropped for the next game and all of a sudden the whole team but especially the midfield functions better and we win 4-1?????

Are you Fellaini's mother by any chance?

Both those midfield runners were quite clearly Pogba s man. It should be quite obvious. Last Leicester game also Herrera and Pogba let midfield runners go past them but thankfully Andy King couldn't finish so it didn't end up a goal.

Anyone would agree that he was one of our better players vs city. He got an 8 (from whoscored, who I would trust more than your 'viewings') and even otherwise it was quite clear that he was the only mid winning the ball. He also didn't get dropped from that game (unless you count not playing vs feyenoord over Schneiderlin as being dropped, more like rested)

Frankly it's like Fellaini stole your iPhone or something. Don't be so biased when it's clear that you are wrong in your posts. You have been spouting nonsense right from the start, saying he won 0 headers and when that was proved wrong you tried to save by saying you meant he won less than he lost which 1) isn't remotely close to what you said 2) isn't true either.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

Well, many games is a slight stretch seeing as neither of them played a single game in midfield in the last 16

I feel you missed my point. Carrick-Scholes did not start the majority of UEFA champions league games in 2007-2008 as a 2 man partnership for anyone to class them as a partnership that won us the trophy. Fergie did plenty of mixing and matching. Especially for away games for his favoured 5 in midfield combos. I simply mentioned two of the options that he did that with. There were others.....

 

[Massive Spanner]

I feel you missed my point. Carrick-Scholes did not start the majority of UEFA champions league games in 2007-2008 as a 2 man partnership for anyone to class them as a partnership that won us the trophy. Fergie did plenty of mixing and matching. Especially for away games for his favoured 5 in midfield combos. I simply mentioned two of the options that he did that with. There were others.....

Pretty weird to name 2 players who didn't play a single game in midfield with them in the last 16 though, isn't it? I mean, really if you knew what you were talking about, which I'm sure you do, I would've expected you to at least pick a player who did play some of those games with them.

There's "missing a point" and there's making stuff up to try and make a point.

 

[Mike09]

No it isn't. He was shocking. That's why he was dropped.

Against Watford i'll take your word he won 6 headers but you still haven't told me how many he lost. He was far from aerially dominant...even the moron that is Robbie Savage highlighted in commentary how poorly he was dealing with aerial balls.

He cant possibly have won 2 out of 2 tackles when he gave a penalty and (atleast 1) free kick away. That's atleast 2 tackles he hasn't won

He didn't make a single interception apparently.

Fellaini was only marginally better than Rooney vs Watford. What was his rating on here??

So you can throw all the stats you want at it, againt Watford, Fellaini was shocking. Against Leicester, Herrera was one of our better players.

Your stats mean nothing mate. I am sorry but I cant possible repect the opinion of anybody who thinks the performance of Fellaini against Watford and City was in anyway comparable to the performance of Herrera against Leicester. Regardless of how many silly stats you rip off the internet

If you think player like Fellaini is dropped because he had a shocking performance, you really are clueless. He was dropped because Jose was changing the playing style! Can't you see from the formation and the way how we played against Leicester? Instead of having a ball winning midfield as his no6, he changed it to a deeplying playmaker as his no6 against Leicester. Fellaini was clearly the only our midfield who work his shocks off in Watford game, he was covering Pogba and Rooney's tasks by himself!!