I would like us (the fan base) to get away from this thinking, that if a player scores a goal (especially if he was just served with a great chance) means he had a good game. Rashford was unlucky yesterday with his shots, that's it. But other than that I just don't recall him doing anything positive. So why was he "decent"? Because I can guarantee that if Sancho performs "decent" like this then he's getting slaughtered.I said he had a decent game, had he scored he'd have played well. He wasn't a problem for the team like he was last season. I expect him to have more involvement when he's got a proper fullback behind him, as we tend to play more down the right when Rashford is more isolated.
Mainoo didn't have one of his better days, don't see the floods to his threads to complain about him. He also contributed to the teams good performance against City, without doing anything outstanding.
Exactly. I think Amad and Bruno had good games and I can explain why. I think anyone who thinks Rashford had a good game should also be able to explain the reasons. "he almost scored" doesn't seem like a strong argument to me.
EDIT: just to make it clear, I don't criticise him for not missing the chances, it happens. On another occasion and hopefully in a serious game he scores 2.
Where did I claim he had no talent?I would argue about only the part where you say he has no talent. Of course he does, how do you end up scoring 20+ goals in multiple seasons otherwise? He’s definitely shown enough over the past 4-5 years, that he has the talent as well as potential.
But this is all about mentality, over the long run, he’s shown multiple instances where he just loses his head based on circumstances as well as pressure. You can’t really afford to perform only when “you’re feeling like it”
I recall him creating 2 shooting chances in the box for himself, trying to set up striker with a chance (for #9 that we were missing), he constantly pinned the fullback and tracked back. This is what I expect from a winger.What did Amad do that was so good out of interest? I recall two decent moments - one of which ended with him failing to find Mount. I didn’t think he had a bad match by any means (he just couldn’t get involved enough) but there’s no way that would be being portrayed as a good performance if Rashford had produced it.
Hard to compare that to Rashford getting in good positions to score 4 times and setting up two other chances - all whilst being fairly isolated and having to do a excessive amount of tracking back because we don’t have a left back.
Exactly. I think Amad and Bruno had good games and I can explain why. I think anyone who thinks Rashford had a good game should also be able to explain the reasons. "he almost scored" doesn't seem like a strong argument to me.
EDIT: just to make it clear, I don't criticise him for not missing the chances, it happens. On another occasion and hopefully in a serious game he scores 2.
If that's your idea of playing well I would hate to see what you think is mediocre.He played well?
This is correct.He ruined nearly every attack he was involved in, he created nothing, he was only a negative to our play, he was useless defensively just beaten constantly.
This is the problem with some, just scoring a goal doesn't mean he played well.I said he had a decent game, had he scored he'd have played well. He wasn't a problem for the team like he was last season. I expect him to have more involvement when he's got a proper fullback behind him, as we tend to play more down the right when Rashford is more isolated.
Mainoo didn't have one of his better days, don't see the floods to his threads to complain about him. He also contributed to the teams good performance against City, without doing anything outstanding.
If that's your idea of playing well I would hate to see what you think is mediocre.
No one said he played well or that he was amazing. That's you exaggerating to try to prove a nonsensical point.Exactly! Whether player scores a chance or not is not a good indicator of his performance. I am asking what did he do to make you say he played well, because I don't think he did much.
But he didn’t put the chances away. No one has an agenda against him, we just don’t think the sun shines out of his backside like some on here. No on should be above criticism and standards should be high at United. Can’t believe that even needs to be said but here you go
Genuinely think he's our worst winger behind Antony and Pellestri. One of the poorest players in our squad who is very lucky that the rest of the team seem to really want to set him up for shots for some reason. I would prioritise getting rid of him over Sancho, Casemiro, McTom, or anyone else.
This is just dumb. He's been inconsistent and disappointing in the last year, but he's levels above those two.
Wrong:No one said he played well or that he was amazing. That's you exaggerating to try to prove a nonsensical point.
Just because a player misses a chance doesn't mean they had a poor performance.
He played well , if you don't see it that's fine I'm not going to do a YouTube content to show all involvements. Manager was fine with him and so am I. Hoping he has a very good season. Finding the negativity very tedious already! Team played well as a whole, which was very positive.
Then who is? And if he isn’t then doesn’t that prove my point? What use is he if he mopes around the pitch all the time and barely contributes?Who says he is our main goal threat ? You ?
People only say he is out main goal threat because in a couple of seasons he has scored a ton of goals. That is a feather in his cap not a negative
Funnily enough, time has proved them right.That's absolutely not true, Marcus is disliked on a personal basis by many fans, even when he was playing well few seasons ago the consensus was it being a purple patch more so than objectively highlighting the benefits of his contribution to the team. He was character assassinated over the campaign to help the children, turned into a meme at times about feeding school kids and told to focus on football when his form was poor.
Additionally, Rashford scored the same amount of goals in the league as Garnacho last season in what is considered a diabolical season for him. He is rightly held to a higher standard being a senior player and I don't disagree that his attitude and performances have been lackluster but there is a phenomenalism shared amongst many in how bad he actually is.
The fallout via social media would have you think he put in a stinker of a performance which isn't true, he navigated good movement to get into attacking positions but wasn't prolific or composed enough in front of goal.
He didn't perform well subjectively but his performance certainly wasn't a concern to the degree he's aimlessly walking around and putting in absolutely no effort which we have seen being the sign of concern when he checks out.
Not for the last 12-18 months he hasn't been.This is just dumb. He's been inconsistent and disappointing in the last year, but he's levels above those two.
Genuinely think he's our worst winger behind Antony and Pellestri. One of the poorest players in our squad who is very lucky that the rest of the team seem to really want to set him up for shots for some reason. I would prioritise getting rid of him over Sancho, Casemiro, McTom, or anyone else.
Alright, you got it.Wrong:
Not for the last 12-18 months he hasn't been.
He's a spurs player we are never going to win titles relying on him for our main goal source. Our fault he has become that not his. He was never capable of fulfilling that role here. Him and Sancho need to be sold asap.
i just think you are inventing quite a high bar for him as our main goal threat. bruno scored a rake of goals over two seasons. we have a 70 million striker. rashford is a winger, just because he scored 30 goals one season doesn't mean that is now the baseline we should expect for him to be a useful player.Then who is? And if he isn’t then doesn’t that prove my point? What use is he if he mopes around the pitch all the time and barely contributes?
15 g/a this season I reckon, unlike others I’ve taken the positives from his performance yesterday, should have scored at least the second one but it’ll come and he’ll be a good asset this season.
15 g/a isn't a positive. He needs to be hitting double that. Minimum.15 g/a this season I reckon, unlike others I’ve taken the positives from his performance yesterday, should have scored at least the second one but it’ll come and he’ll be a good asset this season.
15 g/a isn't a positive. He needs to be hitting double that. Minimum.
I expect Rashford's performances to reflect his pay. Sure, he isn't paid as much as Mbappe. However, he is definitely one of the highest paid players in his position in world football, so his performances and end product need to reflect that. Consistently.How many left wingers in the big European leagues had 30GA last season out of interest? I’m fairly certain no one managed it in the premier league. Leão and Kvarat didn’t in Italy, Williams didn’t in Spain.
Now, I agree with you that Rashford is a excellent player, so we should have greater expectations, but he’s also playing in a more dysfunctional team. Surely we should be setting realistic targets accordingly? Perhaps 20-25GA would be sensible, subject to seeing how well set up the team is this year?
1000%To me, the real cultural reset will begin when he leaves. Along with Antony and Sancho.
I expect Rashford's performances to reflect his pay. Sure, he isn't paid as much as Mbappe. However, he is definitely one of the highest paid players in his position in world football, so his performances and end product need to reflect that. Consistently.
Plenty of teams have wide forwards as their main threat.Our LW shouldn’t be the main goal threat anyway, it should be the no9, (Rasmus/Zirkzee).
Agreed. He's failing to meet standards consistently on more than one level. His enthusiasm levels really seem to have fluctuated over the years. You could point to the toxic environment and failing culture affecting him, but he's definitely lacking when it comes to mentality.I actually expect his performances to reflect the chance he got in life from the club, as a way of paying back for making you a global superstar. The economic factors come in second. It's not his fault he is on the current wages. Of course, his agent will look for the most money he can get from the club, he has his client's best interests in mind.
What is simply baffling to me, and hard to accept is that from all the players we have on the team, he is the one who should know the most about what it means to play for this club, the tradition, value, and the club's ethos. To see him strolling through games, not putting in the effort to track back, pulling out from tackles, ducking headers, while wearing Rooney's number 10 who ran after every ball like a madman. Nah, that I can not expect from an academy graduate who has been with the club for 8 years now. His lying to the club about being sick in order not to show up for training is the straw that broke the camel's back with many fans.
Think we need reminding - he's on £300k a week.
All this talk of hoping he grows into confidence throughout the season and gradually improves his performances is ridiculous. He's not some academy prospect or new signing, he's our biggest earner, and one who's been at this club for several years now. The fact he shouldn't be a guaranteed starter in the team with the wages he's on makes it clear we should be rid of him.
