I fully agree. I want to see him getting slowly more game time until he is ready to start some normal PL games, not derbies and top games. Sounds funny, but i do think we need to build him up slowly instead of shattering his confidence. I think it could pay off, he could become a starter for us very quickly.
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I fully agree. I want to see him getting slowly more game time until he is ready to start some normal PL games, not derbies and top games. Sounds funny, but i do think we need to build him up slowly instead of shattering his confidence. I think it could pay off, he could become a starter for us very quickly.
And Lingard's on like, twitter and stuff, and mucks around and speaks English, instead of being a romantically inscrutable foreigner who we know nothing about. Sell.
Well, I'm actually not disregarding Mkhi's season for Dortmund last year, you are. That's what I'm basing my assessment on. As for Lingard, I wouldn't say he's a footballer "succeeding and winning us trophies". He's the weak link in our attack atm, and while I'm grateful for that FA cup winner, let's not forget that Mata scored a late equalizer in that game too. Lingard scored a great goal but he didn't carry us in that game.
Waste of money. We should loan him out to Hull City in Jan. That'll learn him.
We should make him meet up with Pert for a fight in Hull some Saturday morning. That's how you toughen these cnuts up.
Exactly! These overpaid prima donnas have never had to face a pissed up benefit cheat armed with a bike chain under the KC Stadium flyover.
But the thing is, everyone keeps saying that but the evidence doesn't carry it out. His general involvement in play is always positive, and people generally acknowledge that. He's creating chances - four against Stoke, including Pogba's 'how did he miss that?' one, and a brilliant assist for Mata's goal against Leicester. He's getting a healthy number of shots on target, drawing one of the saves of the match from Grant in the Stoke game. And he's fairly recently - certainly more recently than 'Miki last year for Dortmund' - scored two wondergoals to win us two trophies.
It may be subconscious rather than deliberate, but criticism of Lingard seems to be 90% about his relatively unsexy status. The facts just don't carry out the problems people think they have with his football.
Aye. Admittedly the chain was from his little sister's Dora the Explorer bike, but still, that shit hurts if it gets you directly in the eye. Plus you have the risk of tetanus if the chain hasn't been well oiled, which these cnuts almost never do.
I live in Hull and in defense of the city I can assure you that both the chain & the psychopath wielding it were well oiled
I didn't say he was bad against Stoke, I thought he was playing decent, probably the best he had played in a while. I was a bit surprised when he was subbed off early. That being said, his Stoke performance is really the only positive performance I remember from him this season. I'm guessing you're counting Community Shield as the other trophy, which it really isn't, it's a glorified preseason friendly. The evidence doesn't support that according to you. What I see when I see Lingard play is unwillingness to run at defenders, bad touches/miscontrol, and a general lack of productivity from the wing position. The positives are usually his movement and work rate. He's capable of having good performances time to time but a club of our size & ambition should be aiming for better than the occasional good performance.
My criticism of Lingard has nothing to do with his "unsexy" status (if that is even a thing). If this theory were true, then Rashford wouldn't have the overwhelming support that he does on this forum (and from me). Majority of us recognize Rashford as a top talent. Lingard on the other hand isn't a top talent and maybe not even good enough for a top club. He should be a squad backup at best.
Brightonian the criticism of Lingard from many on this board has nothing to do with his unsexy status but his general poor play. Dreadful against City poor against Stoke we can look at stats but what stats is misleading about is overall level. Like Rooney has two assists but they are really for the poor shots he took. Now Lingard has came through the youth system and that's great but like Cleverley in my opinion he's not good enough. Especially frustrating when he is keeping the likes of Martial on the bench.
By that spelling I assume you live in Hull Massachusets?
........I put all my effort into getting psychopath right.
*hangs head in shame*
How about just accepting the Mkhitaryan has proved himself capable of playing at a higher level than Lingard ( who has done well himself) and we are missing the attributes he brings to the table instead of spouting thinly disguised xenophobic tripe.
Exactly. He just simply isn't a very good footballer. He has done fairly well and is an okay player but that's simply not what we are looking for. If we want to compete with the best again we need a team or at least a first 11 full of exceptional players and he simply isn't that and there is little to suggest he will ever be more than slightly above average.
The repetitiveness of people looking to reaffirm that Lingard is not a very good footballer, is average, a mere squad player, isn't what we're looking for is just nauseating.
Mods: Can we not just have a Jesse Lingard is Average Thread and these guys can just sign in every day?
The fact that there is a debate about whether Miki is a better or more productive player than Lingard should be classified as a grave offense.
This debate shouldn't have gone past 1 post let alone an entire page
This debate shouldn't have gone past 1 post let alone an entire page
...he's done nothing in premier league so far and should be judged by his performances in a completely different league, not all players manage to make the step up to the premier league.The fact that there is a debate about whether Miki is a better or more productive player than Lingard should be classified as a grave offense.
This debate shouldn't have gone past 1 post let alone an entire page
Here comes with the nonsense about no doing anything in the Prem so far. Miki is a proven top class player and was one of the best player in the Bundesliga among several world class players.
This is the sort of arrogance people laugh about when it comes to PL fans, thinking one need proving in it to be considered top class when that couldn't be further from the truth. Not to mention the guy has hardly played this season due to bedding in time and injuries so far. Lingard himself was absolutely awful in that City game.
Top quality can be seen whether one plays in the PL or elsewhere. It's not like we're talking about some piss poor league. Miki comes from one of the strongest league in the world and has proven himself. Comparing him to Lingard or even entertaining such thoughts shows the level of ignorance being displayed on these boards.
As if Miki needs proving to anyone else at this point for it to be absolutely clear that he is 10 times the player Lingard is or could ever be
The debate isn't about whether he's a better or more productive player, it's about people acting as if it's some kind of joke to start Lingard ahead of Miki against Liverpool when the latter's barely played for us yet and the former has done good things recently. It's about the attitude and the tone more than the actual opinion. Football Manager generation comparing 'ratings' and expecting computerised team selections.
Maybe I'm old-fashioned, but for me, you should earn more than five minutes grudging respect from fans when you do this:
I understand the sentiment but the examples are terrible, two individual plays that he is unlikely to replicate regularly are exactly what you should ignore when you judge a player. Lingard's general play has been decent and for that reason he deserves to play above Miki and the latter will have to actually outperform the current starter.
Where would people like to see him playing, no10, wing, or a different position?
I'd personally like to see
Ibra
Martial Mhiki Rashford
With a lot of pace and interchanging
I'd personally like to see
Ibra
Martial Mhiki Rashford
With a lot of pace and interchanging
YOu are talking nonsense, so were Kagawa, diMaria or Veron, they flopped big time, and using that smile just underlines how deluded you are...Here comes with the nonsense about no doing anything in the Prem so far. Miki is a proven top class player and was one of the best player in the Bundesliga among several world class players.
This is the sort of arrogance people laugh about when it comes to PL fans, thinking one need proving in it to be considered top class when that couldn't be further from the truth. Not to mention the guy has hardly played this season due to bedding in time and injuries so far. Lingard himself was absolutely awful in that City game.
Top quality can be seen whether one plays in the PL or elsewhere. It's not like we're talking about some piss poor league. Miki comes from one of the strongest league in the world and has proven himself. Comparing him to Lingard or even entertaining such thoughts shows the level of ignorance being displayed on these boards.
As if Miki needs proving to anyone else at this point for it to be absolutely clear that he is 10 times the player Lingard is or could ever be
And btw I have very little doubt Micky will start ahead of Lingard when everything clicks for him as he looks quality player but as every player, he has to prove himself... People wanted Januzaj to start over Lingard, now he's at Sunderland and not particularly impressing anyone, Depay over Lingard as well, what has he done to justify his place? next to nothing.. just wait until he proves he's worth it...
so far you and some here sound like one of those fat guys in the pub sipping his pint throwing some nonsenses up like you managed clubs and played football which I doubt.. those smart-ass pricks in the pubs I like a lot
Because football is about putting out the best individuals in a team and suddenly it all clicks. There are good players who flop in another league and not just at United. You can mention Shevchenko or Robinho also.Here comes with the nonsense about no doing anything in the Prem so far. Miki is a proven top class player and was one of the best player in the Bundesliga among several world class players.
This is the sort of arrogance people laugh about when it comes to PL fans, thinking one need proving in it to be considered top class when that couldn't be further from the truth. Not to mention the guy has hardly played this season due to bedding in time and injuries so far. Lingard himself was absolutely awful in that City game.
Top quality can be seen whether one plays in the PL or elsewhere. It's not like we're talking about some piss poor league. Miki comes from one of the strongest league in the world and has proven himself. Comparing him to Lingard or even entertaining such thoughts shows the level of ignorance being displayed on these boards.
As if Miki needs proving to anyone else at this point for it to be absolutely clear that he is 10 times the player Lingard is or could ever be
People think that football is so simple that you just look at two players' FIFA rating and decide which one do you put in the team.
I would also really like to see the very best of this guy, but we don't need a player again who is in the team from his previous club achievements. He knows it too that he has to prove himself here and hopefully that's what he will do.
What like Pogba? If when Mhiki gets fit he should get a run in the team to see what he can do. Its not like Lingard is pulling up trees.
That is how things happen, you sign a top player, they get in the team, if they don't perform then they can be dropped. Mhiki aint had a chance yet really. (Mainly due to injury)
What exactly does this even mean? How and why do clubs buy players? What do they look at first before buying players?
Players perform well elsewhere then get bought by clubs impressed by them, it's as simple as that. I don't get why you're trying to pass Miki having proven himself elsewhere as something negative and why he shouldn't be taken seriously.
PL isn't all there is to football people, it's all over the world. Miki is a proven top player both in the Bundesliga and CL, he's proven himself at the highest level. Comparison between him and Lingard are stupid.
He's just got here and we'll get to play once he's fit again. So far he's yet to get any football this season and despite that I along many who think rationally would give him the benefit of the doubt over Lingard any days if the week at Man United. Just because he's yet to fully play in the PL doesn't mean he isn't an infinitely superior player to Lingard.
Miki actually has more to offer than your "he runs a lot, has a lot of energy, help us press" arguments people use for Lingard. Miki is actually a footballer that would assist, score, move and play with the ball at a completely whole new different level than Lingard. Running alone won't be the only positive we'll be attributing to his game, he'll be doing what proper high level footballers do which is play football at a high level.
What was his injury record like in Germany ?
Ok first of all if you want to present yourself as any rational adult person out there then stop with the petty insults which make you sound immature.
Now about this Lingard bit. You're calling me deluded while you're the one busy trying to make an argument about Lingard being over the likes of Miki and other far more talented players than him.
And stop talking as if Lingard has been lighting the place on fire. He's been playing recently due to the unfortunate case of injuries having hit players better than him in Martial and Miki. Had either of those two been fit Lingard wouldn't have been starting. He himself was awful against City, and average in subsequent games with the most favorable and positive thing to say about him being him running a lot and working hard for the team.
So while you might be happy seeing him play recently, it's not because he's pulling any tree or anything but due to injuries we've had. You should also stop bringing irrelevant points to this debate since my argument solely focuses on Miki being an objectively better player than Lingard and would be starting over him if fit 10 times out 10.
Also again, stop with the petty insults.
The fact that our academy product is in direct competition with the Bundesliga PotY is a very good thing for him.
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I'm sure we can have a thread for you so everyone can just agree with you... It's a forum that's what people do on forums
You could throw the Chelsea goal in there as well. Not bad for a player who really has only been in the first team for about a year.
Is he back from injury?
I'm not sure if he's fully fit, he tweeted last night about not being with the national team but that might be precautionary. We really need this guy fit and firing given how good he was in Germany.
Lingard is a clever player, a very adventurous player, but he just lacks that end quality IMO that could push him over the top.
He's always making positive runs, and positive moves, and then his end product is poor. However there is no denying that right now he is one of our most dynamic attackers. Again to reiterate, it's what he does with the ball in these danger areas that is disappointing. Maybe he will come good, but right now I see someone taking their chance and running with it, but I'm still not overly confident when he does.
He's always making positive runs, and positive moves, and then his end product is poor. However there is no denying that right now he is one of our most dynamic attackers. Again to reiterate, it's what he does with the ball in these danger areas that is disappointing. Maybe he will come good, but right now I see someone taking their chance and running with it, but I'm still not overly confident when he does.
If fit and given his performance against a City, do you think he will start at Anfield next Monday night?
I doubt he will, although if we're sticking with Pogba and Herrera in midfield it could be good to put him just in front given he works quite hard and it's better at getting back than Mata. A four man attack of Ibra,Martial,Lingard and Mkhy could work well. Especially if whoever gets behind the striker can get in and around Liverpools iffy defence and cause problems. A topic for another thread, but I just hope Mourinho doesn't show them too much respect like against City and we go a couple behind in the first half again.
While it'd be the perfect place for Miki to bust his way into key player status for us, it'd much more likely be a crazy idea to start him.
Much better bet is the Europa in the midweek, or Burnley at home at the end of the month.
Liverpool away is often a horrible game of no time on the ball, furious fans and a huge ask to start there when he's barely had a kick for us so far.
Much better bet is the Europa in the midweek, or Burnley at home at the end of the month.
Liverpool away is often a horrible game of no time on the ball, furious fans and a huge ask to start there when he's barely had a kick for us so far.
Don't think he should play against Liverpool. Not the game to throw him back into after the City game. I think he will be a fantastic player for United in the coming seasons but he has to be given a start in a game where we will be in more control to kickstart his season. Burnley at home in two weeks time seems like a good one.
Not a chance.
Would be suicidal.
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