Think we will spend 150 million this window on 3 or 4 new players.
Just need these boring internationals out of the way.
Just need these boring internationals out of the way.
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You been moaning and bashing the club in the Nunez thread and here you are again being negative. We been making backroom changes since Ole was sacked and brought in an excellent attacking coach. Atleast be positive for once.
Is it true that Matt Judge is still our lead negotiator?
Timber £45m, Richarlison £75m, Sangare £30m
This is the kind of underwhelming summer I'm expecting when we fail to negotiate effectively or to act quickly enough.
What's the earliest transfer we've had since Sir Alex retired? If we top that by a margin can we confirm this was all incompetence from Woodward and his chums from univ
No. Matt Judge resigned and will not take any significant part in transfer business this summer.
I see 3 players who can easily walk into our starting 11.
Woodward/Arnold/Murtough/Fletcher. They're all fecking useless and we're still fecking shit.
I'm genuinely surprised this is the state of things. Every player has an agent working for them. Even if they're on holiday, what's stopping them from having their people work on the transfer? All they'd have to do would be to be kept updated on negotiations. It's not as if the players themselves are out there negotiating their transfer fees and contracts. It's 2022 and not a lot of people are 100% cut off from every communication channels even when on holiday.
We will not sign a single starting xi player.
We won't make top 4 next season either, which is when alarm bells will go off and the chequebook will come out. Unfortunately it would be too late unless our rivals fall of a cliff.
What we're doing right now is applying band aid instead of doing open heart surgery.
We won't make top 4 next season either, which is when alarm bells will go off and the chequebook will come out. Unfortunately it would be too late unless our rivals fall of a cliff.
What we're doing right now is applying band aid instead of doing open heart surgery.
Actually this comment was first. And 24 hours later I was proved right.
I'll be positive when there's something to be positive about. The Glazers always move a few pieces around when pressure mounts on them.
We've been here before with new managers and smoke and mirrors. Facts are that we finished 6th and we've let alot of players go.
They need replacing and it should be the biggest priority for the club. I'll believe it when I see it.
I’d take Haller at this point. Back up for Ronaldo.
Add DeJong to that list, change the amount for Richard Arlison to 50m and I’d be happy
Can you believe it and see it elsewhere and give the rest of us a break?
good trolling that
Hard to argue with that though looking at our past nine years of transfer dealings
I can't believe we haven't signed anyone yet.
It's been a whole 7 minutes since the window opened.
It's been a whole 7 minutes since the window opened.
Big day today (if you're in England).
It's said every summer but it always seems like we're incapable of seriously progressing on more than 1 deal at once.
I can totally understand you will have to play hardball in some negotiations and they can drag out, as we're seeing with De Jong now. The issue is, we could still be sorting other business while we haggle over price with Barca. What about the 2nd midfielder we're looking at? What about right back? What about centre back? What about the attack? Why are we nowhere close on any of those? Why are none of Bailly, Jones, AWB, Tuanzebe, Periera, Martial anywhere close to leaving?
It seems very likely De Jong will be our first signing (after weeks of haggling), and then we will "turn our attention" to the next target. Surely we can get easier targets in the meantime while we wait on De Jong saga to conclude, if every single target we go for takes months of negotiation the same way De Jong does maybe we're doing something horribly wrong.
I fully expect the usual people to jump to the defence of the club who have made a mess of transfer 9 years in a row.
I can totally understand you will have to play hardball in some negotiations and they can drag out, as we're seeing with De Jong now. The issue is, we could still be sorting other business while we haggle over price with Barca. What about the 2nd midfielder we're looking at? What about right back? What about centre back? What about the attack? Why are we nowhere close on any of those? Why are none of Bailly, Jones, AWB, Tuanzebe, Periera, Martial anywhere close to leaving?
It seems very likely De Jong will be our first signing (after weeks of haggling), and then we will "turn our attention" to the next target. Surely we can get easier targets in the meantime while we wait on De Jong saga to conclude, if every single target we go for takes months of negotiation the same way De Jong does maybe we're doing something horribly wrong.
I fully expect the usual people to jump to the defence of the club who have made a mess of transfer 9 years in a row.
You do make a very valid point about the lack of transfer activity in other areas, however wasn't there some report suggesting that other deals are being held up due to uncertainty of how much would be left after De Jong
If our budget is genuinely circa £120m + sales as reported, we really don't have much excuse not to be progressing in other areas. We know there has to be other signings on top of De Jong even if he ended up costing us £60+m, how many more signings may be up in the air but to not be able to make a single signing until De Jong is concluded is just absurd.
If the budget is significantly lower than that then we're in big trouble. Our squad is a complete mess in terms of both lack of depth (we're losing 2 midfielders and 5 attackers this summer) and lack of quality everywhere.
Because everyone knows we're desperate, in need of funds, and are therefore low-balling us. Especially since I expect most clubs will be asking for wage contributions due to our inflated salaries. Unsurprisingly we'll be unwilling to let these players for 2 pounds and a packet of crisps, so it becomes a game of chicken. Thats the joy of negotiation. It works both ways
The outgoings will happen late, and therefore the incomings will happen later
Thing is, they don't pay £60m up front.
It's all staggered over a number of years usually.
If we sign a player for 5 years,.then usually it's over 4 to 5 years plus bonuses.
No reason they shouldn't now have firm targets in place.
It doesn't matter when we pay the cash, the budget is still the budget. If we have 120m as our budget, then that doesnt mean we have 120m in cash, I mean I assume you know that as you clearly are not daft here. Still doesnt mean we should not be able to make one other deal, but who knows maybe we have tiers of players if we pay 75m for de Jong, maybe we have to buy out of our third tier for other players.
It's ok saying we should be progressing multiple deals at once but it's not going to be that simple for us these days.
We're on a very tight budget and if we're trying to sign one big player, we can't look at other signings unless they're bargain basement ones.
Fire example: if we are after De Jong and we think it's likely we'll get him for £70m or so, there's no point looking at other midfielders who are over £30m or so because we need more than two signings.
We're on a very tight budget and if we're trying to sign one big player, we can't look at other signings unless they're bargain basement ones.
Fire example: if we are after De Jong and we think it's likely we'll get him for £70m or so, there's no point looking at other midfielders who are over £30m or so because we need more than two signings.
I dont get the urgency to sign new players. For all what i care i want "the right" players and ideally before pre-season starts.
2 weeks until pre season starts isn’t it?
Of course,
I was merely pointing out that that budget will cover a number of players, so when people say £80m out of £120m that isn't one big chunk etc.
But yes, if we do put a significant chunk I to one deal as Tier 1 player, then we will probably have a couple of other Tiers re players value & wage structure etc.
I mean, with sales, we should manage at least 3 to 4 in comings this summer hopefully, plus some youth players being moved up also.
Could be a positive time for the squad finally.
De Jong would have to be added to bring the real quality.
Richarlison I'm far from convinced by and could just be another inconsistent addition who creates another problem, rather than quality solution.
Timber and Sangare may not step up to the Premier League rigour.
It could work out and be a good step forward, but could be an expensive risk.
No one is a sure thing though, you have to trust the coach. We can’t afford to be shopping galacticos
True, De Jong could easily be the biggest flop, or he could be the enabler that turns Richarlison into an elite player, as well as enhance most of our squad.
Tactics and squad balance can make a huge difference to individual success.
Our strikers have been living a graveyard shift over the last few years due to our shockingly bad midfield. Similarly I think apart from counter attacking football our wingers have otherwise not been given the half a yard needed to thrive through quality passing.
I've played thousands of games of football and I can easily go from 4/10 to an 8/10 just based on having someone alongside me who plays the right balls into space, rather than that slightly poor pass with bad timing by which point you have the other team on top of you.
Carrick is the best example of a midfielder who didn't have bags of skill, pace, strength or outrageous Pirlo style pings. What he got right was the vision, the pass timing and the pass weight. Elite at doing the simple things. By comparison Fred and McTominay are barely even ok at the simple and don't really have anything exceptional in their games to otherwise make up for it.
De Jong looks like he could really make the difference here.
As bad as this season has been, a new midfield really could be the difference in itself.
Even our young talents strikers could be worth a go if you can get the right passing balance.
Exactly, I really feel like DeJong could breathe life back into some careers. That’s before ETHs influence too. Hopefully we get DeJong over the line
Sounds as if Sporting's Palhinha is moving to Wolves. There are good players, and more specifically good midfielders, who are on the market.
Trusting the coach is a good idea for sure. But I fear (and doubt I am alone) that the coach won’t get what he wants because of the board’s hands-on approach to sales and purchases (and general ineptitude).
I think it’s more a case of having to accept whatever happens. We’ll buy who we’ll buy and we’ll sell who we’ll sell.
I’ve seen negative posters being criticised in this thread but they all have a point in my opinion. There’s not a lot to cling to in terms of getting real quality in.
Chins up though. I predict a great season or a spectacular walk-out by ETH - I think he’s got the balls to take the Glazers on.
It could be that agents are in negotiations with us. But I still would't expect transfers to be completed until they are back in training with their clubs.
I think there could be as much as 5 if we can manage to sell a few of the deadwood.
LCB, RB, DM, De Jong and RF maybe
Have we actually sold anyone yet?
Yep, exactly what's needed this window.
Fear we miss out on one at least the way things have started, thought we wanted signings in place for the tour.
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