Real like minded and affluent people I assume
And real life presumably means "my life".
Has political correctness actually gone mad?
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Real like minded and affluent people I assume
And real life presumably means "my life".
I think it comes down to it being quite unusual for many to give much thought to this. Of course, I don’t have numbers though!
I didn’t quite mean it literally. Seems to me that the majority of discussion on this is internet based. Maybe not surprising given the ease of that form of communication.
That isn't what you said though. You said it only existed on the internet implying that it didn't really exist.
Correct - but as I said I didn’t mean it quite literally. It’s certainly a concept that exists predominantly online, or atleast the discussion of it does.
It’s quite hard to find any sort of statistics on public feeling on this. I’d be interested to see opinion polls of the black community. So far it seems to be mainly a discussion in fashion based articles.
https://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/article/blackfishing-jessica-krug
I think that’s mainly down to us interacting online with a much more diverse group of people than we do in “real life”. The sort of opinions you think are “online only” are expressed all the time offline as well but you wouldn’t get exposed to them.
This also explains why the internet is a fecking war zone. Different tribes, with different opinions and values, all crushed together in a constant bickerfest. Probably for the best it’s almost always online only. If all the arguing and petty point scoring happened in front of us while we were walking to work, or sitting in a pub, life would be pretty fecking stressful.
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Not to mention we are predisposed to be drawn to and associate with people whose opinions broadly align with our own. The only places we come into contact with people of differing beliefs and opinions are extended family, workplace and the internet.
Sadly Jessy Nelson has got other issues. Surely in most cases it more to do with appreciation? It's cooler to be black than say wanting to be a Alan Partridge unless you're Richard Madley that is. Or Finnish. Hmmmm...and where does 'Jafaking' and generally young white kids from East London sounding more like their parents were children of West Indian immigrants, sit in all this?
How are people whinging over gay Robin boy wonder. He's the gayest superhero of all time.
Yeh, I think the internet has made me feel like we are all more divided than ever, when maybe that isn’t quite the case...or atleast hopefully not!
Ive only seen the superman bi story...I have no idea why people are complaining about this in a cartoon where a man can actually fly. Is it that surprising he could fly and be bi?
And you've learnt racism exists. The net is amazing.
The phrase predates the internet, and it's been a topic for decades at this point. But I guess dismissing it as people being "born bossy" and pretending like it isn't a thing is easier than listening and trying to understand.
I wish I could say I'm surprised, but I know by now that this forum has a contingent of posters who have no interest in evolving as human beings and will readily dismiss any minority perspective on any topic, lest they'd be forced to reckon with their own ignorance, biases or problematic behaviours.
In my ignorance, I'd have assumed that determining the clothing, hairstyles, makeup etc that everyone is allowed to use based purely on whether they're the correct race or not and proclaiming moral superiority over everyone who disagrees with you would make you, y'know, a fascist - but it turns out it actually makes you an 'evolved human being'. Who knew?
I've got a lot to learn, clearly.
And you've perfectly illustrated my point, good job.In my ignorance, I'd have assumed that determining the clothing, hairstyles, makeup etc that everyone is allowed to use based purely on whether they're the correct race or not and proclaiming moral superiority over everyone who disagrees with you would make you, y'know, a fascist - but it turns out it actually makes you an 'evolved human being'. Who knew?
I've got a lot to learn, clearly.
Ah, alrighty. So I've actually got to double down on the moral superiority and condescension before I can truly evolve?
I'll just follow your lead and I'm sure I'll be like a pokemon with too many letters in its name in no time.
Imagine how fast David Beckham would have been cancelled today. Sarongs and corn rows
And wouldn't the world have been a better place for it. It was cringeworthy then so imagine now?
FFS - if you are serious I think you must live under a rock.
You have a very roundabout way of saying that you've not put an ounce of effort into understanding the issue. villain's given a black woman's perspective on it, and if you'd actually taken the time to read and understand it, you'd know that it's not about "determining the clothing, hairstyles, makeup etc that everyone is allowed to use based purely on whether they're the correct race or not".
Instead you came in here and immediately dismissed it as drama and moralising "because some girl got braids and a tan".
I have a tan however skin color, hairstyles etc don't belong to anyone. Unless someone is mocking your culture while trying to look like you, I don't see the problem. If Henry Caville wants to be more brown like me, it's his wish. I can't think of why I'd bring British rule/colonial crimes into the picture.
I do think that political correctness wasn't as derogatory a term as it is now though? In The Netherlands "deugen", which loosely translates to being virtuous is now used as an insult in a similar way to being "pc".
Edit: wait I'm actually not sure if you were talking about the term political correctness anymore. Oh well.
You need to evolve, apparently.
If you think I'm "not evolving as a human being" because I don't agree with dictating what other people can and can't wear, based on their skin colour, as they go about their law-abiding lives, then it sounds like your idea of personal evolution leaves a fair bit to be desired. As for "readily dismissing any minority perspective on any topic", that's an accusation you appear to have just plucked out of the air to support your wafer thin argument. The problem with the internet is that too many people on it, like yourself, are angry, and they feel they actually have a right to be abusive and insulting to people they decide to disagree with. Some will choose to bully people for their choice of clothing, others feel entitled to abuse a player they don't like or slander someone on a forum because they have differing opinions . It's not a minority vs non-minority thing. People with "problematic behaviour", as you put it, come in all colours, shapes and sizes. If you are choosing to overlook, or even enable, such behaviour because of someone's skin colour, gender or anything else, you are part of the problem. I will continue to judge people by their actions and intentions rather than by anything else.
You came in here, ignored the minority perspectives on the topic, then shat out this.
And you've just now repeated that same shite.
One comment on one topic and you decide that I "readily dismiss minority opinions on any topic"? I dismiss opinions from people based solely on whether or not the opinions hold up to any scrutiny, regardless of who voiced them. As everyone should do. Don't be pretending to stick up for minorities here. You just seem to enjoy being a bully and are probably happy for any excuse to act like one from the safety of your keyboard. You are the type of person that perpetuates online hatred, by assuming intent with zero evidence, then dishing out abuse based on your flimsy assumptions.
So perfect, inject this shit right into my veins.
Pot kettle black and all that.
You'll notice that my second paragraph was more general, but I'll accept that I could have formulated it differently.
Speaking of assumptions, though, you rocked up with the erroneous assumption that "cultural appropriation" is some new internet term, and said it was people being born bossy trying to dictate how people can look and what they can wear. That's both ignorant, and shows that you've done nothing to try and understand the issue. Just a quick scan of the discussion that took place before you posted would have let you know that it's a complex issue that's got very little to do with bossing anyone around or dictating anything.
Twitter is coming for the federal reserve... Whose freedom will they steal next...
Twitter is coming for the federal reserve... Whose freedom will they steal next...
My love/hate relationship with Summers has always been very much weighted to one side, but even that is getting too much to sustain. What a fecking clown he is. He should adapt the Friedman rule to his speech and set it to 0 %.
And wouldn't the world have been a better place for it. It was cringeworthy then so imagine now?
Harsh, but fair. Those corn rows looked terrible on him.
I've had the cultural appropriation discussion many times and not once have I heard any argument to dissuade me from the opinion that it is a manufactured problem, perpetuated by people looking to cause drama where none exists. Live and let live, or go around trying to impose rules, based on your own arbitrary standards, for everyone else, whatever floats your boat I guess. People are entitled to be offended by whatever they please, but we certainly do not have an obligation to agree with them. Their personal opinions on a subject certainly don't speak for the opinions of everyone else from that demographic either. My own anecdotal evidence is that the vast majority of people, from a wide variety of backgrounds, don't give a crap about any of it.
But is he wrong?
Obviously.
Which leads us neatly into yet another issue: demanding minorities explain issues and justify their feelings, then dismissing them anyway.
You've already shown that you have a very limited understanding of the issues surrounding blackfishing, cultural appropriation and the commodification of black culture. You still think it's about dictating what people can wear and how they can express themselves, and not about how the wider Western culture is happy to pick and choose aspects of black culture and expressions to adopt, while black people are still marginalised and fighting for equal footing.
To dismiss it all as dramamongering, manufactured outrage, being bossy, wanting to dictate others or fascism, as one insinuated, is incredibly disrespectful. It shouldn't be hard to understand why someone would find frustrating, insulting and/or upsetting to see society so readily adopt your culture, while being far more reluctant to accept you as a person.
Woke ideology and CRT leftists can no longer poison texan children
Wow.
Help me understand this. At what point will black people be no longer “marginalised and fighting for equal footing”? Do you think this will happen in any of our lifetimes? It seems to me that so long as the overwhelming majority of people in any given country are white then that struggle will continue for black citizens of that same country. Obviously we’ve come a hell of a long way but it’s really hard to imagine a scenario where we’ve achieved absolute perfection on this issue.
So, bearing that in mind, will any white girl who chooses to plump out her lips, or gets a dark tan always be guilty of offensive behaviour? Or any white bloke who really loves hip hop and dresses like his favourite hip hop artist? Because that just seems an incredibly low bar for taking offence. And it also perpetuates the above scenario where equality is unachievable, so long as what most reasonable people would consider trivial behaviour is deemed completely inappropriate. When it’s that easy to cause offence then it’s basically impossible to imagine a future where no offence is ever caused or taken.
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How is it damaging? To whom? In what way?
I do not even think not doing cultural appropriation is possible.