Has political correctness actually gone mad?

There's a fine line between appropriation and appreciation. If someone wants to celebrate another person's culture without adapting their lifestyle then it should be viewed as a positive. The cases where they try to act and pretend that they are of that particular race are the ones that need scrutiny. Beyonce wearing a sari or Minaj wearing a kimono are all just artists appreciating a particular culture. Post wearing braids goes with his whole look and he'll still be awesome with our without it. He isn't tanning or trying to look darker. People are too sensitive these days and are always looking to cancel people for simply adapting a style. Cancel those who adapt a whole culture and are pretending they're that race.
I have an aunt who is white and she wore a sari at her wedding. I guess she would be accused of cultural appropriation too ?
 
I'm just wondering if Post Malone might have had people with a similar hairstyles in his ancestry. I don't know if he has any viking ancestry, I'm just trying to show how illogical it is ban someone from having a hairstyle because of their race

If he has Irish heritage then he could maybe argue that tattoos/braided/dreadlocked hair is something you’d see on his celtic ancestors.

Seems to be a thorny topic though. Just googling “celt dreadlocks” drops you smack bang in the middle of endless online bickering. There’s evidently a lot of people who think this stuff is all VERY. IMPORTANT.
 
If he has Irish heritage then he could maybe argue that tattoos/braided/dreadlocked hair is something you’d see on his celtic ancestors.

Seems to be a thorny topic though. Just googling “celt dreadlocks” drops you smack bang in the middle of endless online bickering. There’s evidently a lot of people who think this stuff is all VERY. IMPORTANT.
So people have to do a whole DNA analysis now before they can braid their hair?
 
As white people, we should probably apologise for Halloween costumes over the years.
 
If he has Irish heritage then he could maybe argue that tattoos/braided/dreadlocked hair is something you’d see on his celtic ancestors.

Seems to be a thorny topic though. Just googling “celt dreadlocks” drops you smack bang in the middle of endless online bickering. There’s evidently a lot of people who think this stuff is all VERY. IMPORTANT.
So then did the Afro-American's culturally appropriate from the celts? That's not a serious question. It's not cultural appropriation, it's fashion choices.

I can give you another "cultural appropriation", silk. The Chinese tried to keep it secret for centuries.
 
It's dreadful, isn't it, and hardly unexpected. Completely managed to wash over the actual issue without fail.
What's the issue? That Jesy should have studied American black history before she got a tan on holiday and braided her hair?

If that's your opinion, fine, but also demand that anyone wearing a wig of straight black hair studies the histories of India and China.
 
Who has asked Jesy for an apology? I simply stated why she's faced criticism, but you are being obtuse or intentionally misunderstanding because I believe I've explained it to you on 3 separate occasions now.

From my perspective, I simply want black women to be appreciated when they do and wear the same things that white women get appreciated for when they take those same things from a different culture.
Let's start there and the conversations about cultural appropriation will go away.
And once again, that hair doesn't only get sent to black women, but white women (and possibly other races) who also wear wigs.
Do you have sources that prove this isn't the case today?
 
I think it's made more difficult with musical artists because of the influence record companies have on their image.
 
I think it's made more difficult with musical artists because of the influence record companies have on their image.
And there, if it was a corporate decision, I could see the case of cynical exploitation of black culture, but if its just the way she likes to dress, then it's just fashion
 
Guys, I'm sorry. I had therapy today and I was on one a bit.

If I've offended anyone, I'm really sorry.
 
Yeah i'm at my limit on here personally, no point engaging going forward.

I get it. Why bother expend the energy giving your perspective on an emotive subject when nobody really listens? A very pertinent pov I might add given the subject. You tried to shed light on the latest post in this mess of a thread, politely and articulately, and were met with handwaving and whataboutery.

If the mission is to dissolution and silence then... Mission accomplished I guess. If it's to gain understanding on a subject that is not understood? Spectacular failure...
 
I get it. Why bother expend the energy giving your perspective on an emotive subject when nobody really listens? A very pertinent pov I might add given the subject. You tried to shed light on the latest post in this mess of a thread, politely and articulately, and were met with handwaving and whataboutery.

If the mission is to dissolution and silence then... Mission accomplished I guess. If it's to gain understanding on a subject that is not understood? Spectacular failure...

Very true, thanks for your words as always :)
@OL29 you too!
 
All the drama, moralising and apologies in here because some girl got braids and a tan. :lol:

The last few pages of this would make pretty good material for the hypernorm thread.
 
And you are completely ignoring that Indian women today are having to cut off their hair because of the economic capitalistic oppression imposed by the west.
I always thought that the Indian hair came from women shaving their heads in temple rituals and the hair is then sold on by temple authorities.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Indian women don't sell their hair through financial compulsion, do they?
 
What does that mean?

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I always thought that the Indian hair came from women shaving their heads in temple rituals and the hair is then sold on by temple authorities.
Correct me if I'm wrong but Indian women don't sell their hair through financial compulsion, do they?
Massively. What you're talking about is a tiny part of the subcontinent of India.

India is big, which means that when there's poor people, there's lots of poor people. Have you seen the length of the strands of the wig hair? That's a one shot. You don't sell that hair twice. Selling hair is a last resort. Actually, it's not the last, just one on a slippery slope.

And even if it was "Indian hair came from women shaving their heads in temple rituals and the hair is then sold on by temple authorities" , that's a social structure selling the body parts of their congregation. Isn't that a bit of a fecked up trade?
 
Massively. What you're talking about is a tiny part of the subcontinent of India.

India is big, which means that when there's poor people, there's lots of poor people. Have you seen the length of the strands of the wig hair? That's a one shot. You don't sell that hair twice. Selling hair is a last resort. Actually, it's not the last, just one on a slippery slope.

And even if it was "Indian hair came from women shaving their heads in temple rituals and the hair is then sold on by temple authorities" , that's a social structure selling the body parts of their congregation. Isn't that a bit of a fecked up trade?
100%. I was just assuming that they never get monetary compensation for the hair which I agree is fecked.
 
Can you show me a case of "cultural appropriation" that is not white people stealing black culture?

people reproducing aboriginal art for mass production here in Australia

thus stealing a revenue stream for the aboriginal artists here

there are loads of other genuine examples of course, if you care to do some research

lets not pretend that just because some people use CA for point-scoring on Twitter that it isn't a genuine issue (I do think a lot of the stuff we see online is basically horse-shit)
 
Something that only exist on the internet.

Huh? People only pretend to be black/mixed race online? That doesn't make any sense. Just because you watch things on the TV news doesn't mean the events that you watch only occur on TV.
 
Is it cultural appropriation for black women to straighten their hair, contour their noses to make them more aquiline, or wear wigs made of the hair of Indian hair?

One of the biggest selling beauty products in India is bleaching cream, is that cultural appropriation?

What about a Chinese person with a perm, is that allowed?

To be honest, it only seems to get called cultural appropriation when it's white people doing black people stuff. All of the other cultures are ignored and black people have free range to pick whatever they want from other cultures.

@villain has mentioned repeatedly that its about taking how people are taking fashion from black people without truly understanding the pain that those fashions are intertwined with, but how many black women think about the destitute Indian women that are selling their hair for food that can be used for hair extensions?

No culture exists on its own, there needs to be cultural interchange for a culture to survive and grow. That inevitably leads to cross contamination. People are picking on Jesy because she is an easy target, but if you want cultural isolation, make sure your culture isn't absorbing from another culture first, rather than having a go at a woman who has a tan because she went on a three week holiday before a video shoot!

It is cultural appropriation but it is only damaging when the dominate culture appropriates from the minority culture. Much the same as someone calling me (living in a predominantly white country) whitey might be insulting or upsetting but doesn't disempower me in the way me disparaging an indigenous person would based on their skin colour, so it isn't of sufficient concern to worry about.
 
Huh? People only pretend to be black/mixed race online? That doesn't make any sense. Just because you watch things on the TV news doesn't mean the events that you watch only occur on TV.

The whole “real people don’t talk about this stuff” thing is the most troubling aspect of these kinds of discourses IMO. Who are the ‘real’ people in this scenario? What is ‘real’ life, exactly?… and according to who?