Yeah Harry Maguire can only head the ball. He cant do anything else even remotely great..
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Yeah Harry Maguire can only head the ball. He cant do anything else even remotely great..
Argument for Maguire is:
PS: When I said Maguire is a £50m player, I was being already being generous.
- Smalling, Bailly, Jones, Rojo are not first team quality.
-- Bailly, Jones, Rojo : Cannot stay fit, and are prone to mistakes.
-- Smalling. Fouls all the time. Will get yellowed & red-ed with video replays next season. - Tuanzebe and Linderof should not play together. Neither are bruising, aerially dominant. Both are more skilful ball on-the-ground CBs.
- No top CB is available.
PS: When I said Maguire is a £50m player, I was being already being generous.
Surely we can offer them Jones & Rojo
leaving Maguire Lindelof Smalling Baily and Axel this season.
Ease Axel into things this season and we can phase Baily out next summer - Smalling i think is under-rated and he does have a use.
leaving Maguire Lindelof Smalling Baily and Axel this season.
Ease Axel into things this season and we can phase Baily out next summer - Smalling i think is under-rated and he does have a use.
Not sure I get you? Aerial's won there is the average per game?
Aerial duel won percentage, which is won/total.
The funny thing about stats on the Caf is that posters love using them to back up their point but as soon as they are shown one that directly contradicts their point they say "yeah but stats means nothing anyway!"
I think the fact this bid was rejected shows not only the current state of the market but importantly the current state of CB's in world football. Leicester, who have excellent scouts, and are pretty shrewd in the market probably don't feel there's a CB out there that they could sign for say 40/50 million and therefore the 70 million only weakens them. Leicester have money so unless Maguire stats making things difficult for them I can't see them losing him.
Ah - fair point then if it's true.
Smalling is excellent in the air though, whatever his shortcomings as a defender (and there are many), people have to at least give him that, surely?
I think at this stage if we're after an established player, we're better off waiting for another club to make a bid first and then match it
and just go for up and coming talents. We are being taken for a ride that is for sure.
and just go for up and coming talents. We are being taken for a ride that is for sure.
no, i'm talking about what VVD is worth right now. what Southampton sold him for 2 years ago is almost irrelevant to what Leicester should demand right now.
Maybe in open play, 1v1. But Maguire clears the box on set pieces like fellani, smalling can’t do that. He’s worth the value alone because we are shite at defending them.
So you cannot see that regardless of "making up for past mistakes", they continually make mistakes regardless? I really cant stand when people try to defend this joke of a board.
I am not sold on Maguire but the comparisons with VVD are silly. VVD has improved immensely since joining Liverpool, he was nowhere as rated as he is now. In fact, the forum thought Liverpool had gone bonkers.
Final offer 70M + Rojo / Jones. If not accepted, walk away.
He can pass the ball too. United big weakness over many seasons is conceded from a set play late in the game; often because CBs could not clear a cross.
Love the fact that he's a ballplayer, we got to get playing some measured non-panic interplay going again. And if he's smart, he'll push for a move to Utd = kickstart his international career again. But 70 fecking mill...
Dunno why you think Leicester would take a lower offer than we've already bid.
Not in a transfer market that was sane, but we're not in a market like that. We're all now dealing in a world where a player with one great season in the championship costs you the best part of £25m. In a world where a young CB totally unproven playing ok will probably cost you the best part of £20m.
So is England's starting CB, a premier league proven player going to cost you that much, yep. That's the world we're in, in a years time or two you will be talking about Championship players going for £35m. A full back with one decent season and questionable ability going forwards cost you £50m, so it's no shock.
Harry is a good player, he'll make the odd mistake. But that's because he's tasked with doing so much on the ball. There aren't many safe passes, he's all about taking risks and breaking lines. In the right system with the right players he'll be excellent and there is a lot to come, he's still young for a CB.
I think the club will back Solkjaer on signing Maguire because he's building a team for the longterm and will give the youngsters from the academy more of a chance. Mourinho in comparison signed two CBs for the first team and still wanted the club to splash even more on a 3rd CB. I 'm not surprised the club didn't back him in that regard tbh.
70m is more than enough and shouldn’t go any higher, move on to alternatives if they won’t sell for that.
He doesn’t seem like a natural partner for Lindelof either and having Matic sitting in front of those two is asking for trouble unless aim is to sit deep and counter.
He doesn’t seem like a natural partner for Lindelof either and having Matic sitting in front of those two is asking for trouble unless aim is to sit deep and counter.
Exactly. What happened 2 years ago is irrelevant.
It has less to do with Man Utd (Utd tax) and more to do with the fact that the PL has so much money they don’t need to let him go. Gone are the days the traditional big clubs can pick off players from smaller clubs.
Leicester don’t need the money - so it’s going to take something big to persuade them to accept.
Liverpool were allowing goals for sport before Van Dijk arrived in 2018. Van Dijk arrived from a Southampton defense that was very mediocre, and would have been worse if not for said Virgil.
Wan-Bissaka almost never gets dribbled past, tackles more than anyone in the league, is fast as sh*it and will continue to develop for years.
Lindelöf stepped up bigtime last season and will likely continue to do so if he's accompanied by a playet that is actually better than him.
Shaw is very very very good.
Thing is, we're not buying teams entire defenses, we're buying single players that adresses a huge need and makes up a new sum.
So I will stand by my assesment, on paper, this defense is one of the best in the league.
Not just him there's other good defenders in Europe like Skriniar, Tah, Dias etc that probably available for cheaper and not overrated like Maguire.
Why isn't he if Walker, Stones and your new fella go for £50m? I think people have forgotten how woeful Stones was at Everton that last year, mistakes left right and centre.
like who?
To be honest mate with that attitude you must be pretty fed up most of the time. I’m guessing you’re a glass half empty kind of guy?
To be honest mate, you are deflecting because you know you are trying to defend something that shouldn't be defended.
Setting aside the fact that it makes feck all difference to us if the Glazers have to take another 5 mill of of their annual payouts to make it 75....
Who are the other options that will provide much better value? Despite Tony apparently being available cheap since last year, no team has made a move for him - and Koulibaly will cost a lot more than Maguire
This is a joke
Unfortunately, none of them are British, which is clearly something we've decided to prioritize this summer, even if it means paying a premium for lesser talents.
Yeah I was only being sarcastic to the other poster. Hes got alot to his game.
£70m? I'm not sure but he'll be our best defender and hes very underrated in my opinion. Especially on here.
Liverpool also signed a WC GK. Lindelof is still just good but in the grand scheme of things he is not the levels we had in the past and need going forward. Shaw is 3rd or 4th best English Left Back. We must have Bobby Carlos and Stuey Pearce plying for England if Shaw is that good
Not worth the money but if it's who Ole wants stop fannying around for a few million, if Leicester want the fee to top VVD's offer 'em £75.1m with no add-ons, but some take-offs eg. £1.5m every time he scores an own goal, £2.5m every time he stands there with his hands on his hips asking Smalling wtf was that, and so on....
Not whatsoever. I’d be really happy with us getting Maguire, and I’m not going to cry because we didn’t get him last year. Mistakes were made, and hopefully we have learnt from that. Based on your logic the board can’t win really.
If we were to sell Jones, he'd easily fetch £25m.
Rojo I dunno, maybe £15m.
I think an overall package of £75m is the most we should go to, maybe 80 at a stretch.
Transfer market close to imploding IMO, players are going to have to run their contracts down to get a move soon - Wenger might have been right about what he said regarding the future of the market being dictated by Free Transfers.
Maguire.
Great in the air a set-pieces.....
Plus great at carrying the ball out of defense.....
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There are a couple in the Maguire mould they could be looking at. Kempf at Stuttgart or Eboa Eboa at Guingamp.
There is Jhon Lucumi at Genk as well who I am waiting for someone to roll the dice on. There is so much potential there.
I knew laughing at Liverpool throwing money at VVD would come back to bite me in the arse
He's good but is he £70m+ good? God knows, but really not sure how I feel about this one. He's obviously better than what we've got but I'm still very hesitant. There are a lot of positives to look at, it directly weakens Leicester who've put together a very decent team, he plays on the left which means we can put Lindelof back in preferred role, he's comfortable on the ball and dominant in the air. I do think it'd mean we have the strongest defensive back line in the league after Liverpool and Manchester City.
But can we honestly not get someone better for less money than that? I suppose we live in an age of football where West Ham can reject £60m for Diop so I shouldn't really be surprised with how much Leicester are asking for/rejecting. I suppose at the end of the day he's definitely an improvement (same with Wan-Bissaka) and too many times have we signed players that weren't as good as the ones they were supposed to replace.
But can we honestly not get someone better for less money than that? I suppose we live in an age of football where West Ham can reject £60m for Diop so I shouldn't really be surprised with how much Leicester are asking for/rejecting. I suppose at the end of the day he's definitely an improvement (same with Wan-Bissaka) and too many times have we signed players that weren't as good as the ones they were supposed to replace.
We already have a world class goalkeeper, he had a dodgy season but De Gea's still one of the best. I think you're being overly harsh on Shaw here, he's far better defensively than most of the English full backs.
That would be a dream come true..
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