I’m glad if this transfer doesn’t go through. It would show that we refuse to be mugged for a crazy price.
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Shouldn't you be a Leicester fan with that name?
Yes, 'we' are making an important stand for our club by letting other clubs know that the Glazers are not overly bothered about reinvesting.
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It seems like we’re about to get what we wanted for Lukaku or close too at least, so how about just taking some of that sale money and putting it here so we don’t have to end up conceding tons of goals like last season?
You won't be glad when we ship another 50 goals next season thanks to Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Who wants to see the side get better when we can stick it to other teams and show them that the great Man Utd can't be bullied! That's the real trophy in football, that's what its all about.
We need to get this done, regardless of an extra 5 million in fee. This sorts out our defence for good and for quite some time to come and no one cares a damn about the fee if he performs for us at the same level as he did for his current club.
We paid 50 million for Wan bissaka FFS and early signs look like he's worth every penny.
Come on Ed, don't be stingy, you can't put a price on potentially 6 years of defensive stability. Just think about how much we wasted on baily, Rojo and Jones over the years and what has it accomplished.
We paid 50 million for Wan bissaka FFS and early signs look like he's worth every penny.
Come on Ed, don't be stingy, you can't put a price on potentially 6 years of defensive stability. Just think about how much we wasted on baily, Rojo and Jones over the years and what has it accomplished.
We aim to be the High Morals League winners.
Definitely. If Neymar and Mbappe is at 29 or 30 years old, let's say they are playing at their peak too, do you think they will cost them as much? Of course not. Because there's simply no resell value to invest on. Do you think when club bought a player, they will think the player will stay for a long period of time, and may even retired at the club too? Of course not. Neymar already wants out after playing for PSG for 2 years, there's also noises from Mbappe camp that he will be looking for a move in future, in just 2 years. Very few players will stay at a club for over 10 years after making a big move, and retired there, that's the reality. And of course resell value is so important, especially when we are talking about alot of money, in the range of tens to hundreds of millions.
De Ligt deal worths 67m (in pounds) in transfer fee, and around 21m per year in wages, with 150m release cause. In 3 years it will cost Juventus around 128m in total, with release clause of 135m. If he stays for 5 years, it will cost 170m in total.
Maguire deal didn't happen yet, but lets say we paid Leicester their asking fee of around 90m in transfer fee, wages lets say around 250 per week, which would cost around 13.5m per year, in 5 years the deal would cost around 157m in total.
So the scenario is, if both players stay at the club for 5 years, it will cost Juventus 13m more (not really that much). But if Juventus sold Maguire in 3 or 5 years, it could cost them nothing, yet Maguire will still cost us 157m, that's the difference I am talking about, the resell value which matters, and we are talking about between 13m to 150m difference there. Even if De Ligt stays for another 10 or 12 years, by then we may have to spend another 80m on another defender when Maguire is done in 6 or 7 years, whereas De Ligt will still be at 26, it would save Juventus another 80m too for another 6 or 7 years.
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Ridiculous that we're talking about taking a moral stand against high fees and the demands for Maguire. At this rate, Wolves, Leicester and Everton will be finishing ahead of us. But at least we could look in the mirror and be proud of our moral stand against high transfer fees.
You write that as though a high placed finish is the most important thing in the club. We have a lot more values than league position.
According to BR, nothing changed about HM
“He’s been brilliant since the first day of pre-season,” said Rodgers.
“There’s a lot of speculation around Harry but he’s just got on with it. Like I’ve always said, we’re all pretty relaxed with it.
“We’re looking to prepare the whole team and squad and Harry’s a part of that. He was excellent today, he’s working very hard.
“There’s no discussion. I know you guys are looking for updates but there’s no change from the other night.”
Asked what would happen if an acceptable bid was made for Maguire, Rodgers said: “It’s all about ifs, but we haven’t had that.”
The City boss has previously spoken of a cut-off point for bids on Maguire, when all offers would be rejected as the club would not have enough time to bring in a replacement. The specifics of that cut-off point have not been discussed.
“I haven’t really thought about that,” added Rodgers.
“We have two weeks left to go in the window for all of the players. I think it’s just a case of everyone staying in focused.”
People don't actually think we're taking a "moral" stance, do they? The decision to buy or not buy would be an economic one.
Arsenal just spunked £72M on a relative gamble. I think United should be prepared to pay £80M for one of the best CBs in the world (which I think Maguire is).
Arsenal just spunked £72M on a relative gamble. I think United should be prepared to pay £80M for one of the best CBs in the world (which I think Maguire is).
Arsenal are spending £72m probably over 5 years. We’d be spending 60-70 in one big chunk. There’s a difference.
I don't understand why we aren't moving on to other targets if we aren't paying the cash Leicester deems acceptable. Why does it have to be Maquire or nothing? If he never becomes available do we never by another centre back? Feck man, we need to forget about him and move on.
I think we are waiting to other players to leave. Ed wants to get some cash in first.
It's because Maguire is already the 3rd or 4th choice target and we are incompetent enough to not have scouted anyone else that could be useful to our club.
Yep. Let's not sign any players because everyone is overpriced. Who cares about winning stuff and finishing high in the table. These are unimportant aspects of a football club. Keep the moral stanch high.
If they don't want Darmian, Jones or Rojo in a part-exchange deal for Maguire, maybe we could offer them some of these players on loan?
Although you're sarcastic I agree with you disregarding the sarcasm. I'm not the win-at-all-cost kind of supporter. I rather we're a midtable team with consistent philosophy than Real Mk 2 buying bundles of 80M+ players just to get back to the top. United has always been about being self-made. You loose fan affection and supportership when you abandon your core.
Its like last summer. No one believes the spending is done. Loads of sky clickbait. I think we are done. Numbers paid for AWB and James even mirror Fred and Dalot. Hope im wrong but i think thats it
If we're not going to adapt to the current market there's no hope to be relevant any time soon. Everyone have adapted to it and the current prices, why should we out of everyone else ride the moral high ground stuff ?
It cannot work like this with Man Utd. The vast majority of fans and supporters actually live outside Manchester and outside the UK. It's not possible to keep a huge global fan base if you are just a mid-table club winning nothing
Forget Maguire. I'd test Napoli's resolve for Koulibaly with a £70m bid; two years older than Maguire but the better player in my opinion and left footed.
Koulibaly isn’t left-footed.
I know that, but so what? If we loose fans cause we're not winning, maybe that is a win. Look at the likes of Ajax, they prove you don't have to abandon your sense of self in order to win.
So they are fans only when we are winning? Liverpool haven't won much in the last 30 years but still have one of the biggest fanbases in the world.
I'd support United even if we went into the Championship. I won't be happy about and would curse the hell out of whoever is responsible for our demise, but you don't just stop supporting a club, it makes you look like a proper twat.
70m?
I think everyone has long understood that 1) he's not for sale at any price, and 2) the price would be north of 100m with utter certainty.
Is he not? I could have swore he was but it's probably because they play him as the left-sided CB.
Everyone? Like who? What's City's record fee? Something like 60?
Look at the likes of Ajax, they've taken the proper route. Dortmund as well. Both clubs have tremendously loyal and vocal support.
But this summer we've had direct evidence of what happens when you don't get the right players in - you finish 6th.
To repeat that again would be incredible.
Last I've seen any reports on Koulibaly, Napoli were quoting prices of about £125-£130 million. And he doesn't really want to leave the club as he loves life in Naples.
or you saw a highlight reel of him on youtube where the video was flipped to avoid copyright claims.
Exactly my man.
ps read your posts on the general thread, fair play for opening up - I won't bark at you for being angry on here anymore
Nope it's definitely because he plays more as a left-sided CB Nice try though.
Why are you comparing us to the clubs who have far less money than us, and which relevant achievements BVB did the past few years anyway ? Since when exactly United is put in the same category as BVB and Ajax when it comes to size of the club and funds available ? Who even brought that "loyal and vocal" stuff thing ? So now asking the club to spend money and adapt to the current market like all the other top clubs are doing is called supporting the club only to win ? Please let's not descend to this stereotypical cliches. Fergie spent loads in his days too by the state of the market back then.
Riding the moral high ground and refusing to pay to strengthen the squad to not be "mugged for crazy prices" is just plain stupid. It has nothing to do with being loyal or shite. If these fans weren't loyal enough to the club they would have stopped supporting it 2-3 years ago already.
It’s OK Louis we still have your boy Rojo.
Thanks, I suppose. It really never was my intention to argue in a confrontational manner though. I guess there is a learning pattern to becoming a proper full member here which involves being more relaxed about any sort of dispute.Exactly my man.
ps read your posts on the general thread, fair play for opening up - I won't bark at you for being angry on here anymore
Always the issue on a forum - reading things in the wrong tone.
Dare say we've all written something that someone else has read as angrier than it felt
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