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Modest fees? Here’s some of United’s signings adjusted for inflation..

Rooney £103.6m
Ferdinand: £121.7m
Veron: £115.9m
Keane: 111.2m
Yorke: £81m
Berbatov: £79.3m
Carrick: £90.2m
Van Nistelrooy: £76.9m
Stam £73.1m

We have always splashed the cash people don’t realise how much we spent, granted they’re all world class/developed into world class and worth it but we should be spending money. It’s wrong to say we spent modest fees on top players in the past though.
I used the wrong word pal. I hold my hands up.

Feel free to dig up posts of mine regarding this matter. I find myself arguing with United fans not just on here but in real life, who say city are ruining football. I'm fully aware how much we spent under fergie and how we blew everyone out the water.

But but but...
That wasn't my point (bangs head). My point was that we got value for money most the time whereas recently we have got anything but.
 
Modest fees? Here’s some of United’s signings adjusted for inflation..

Rooney £103.6m
Ferdinand: £121.7m
Veron: £115.9m
Keane: 111.2m
Yorke: £81m
Berbatov: £79.3m
Carrick: £90.2m
Van Nistelrooy: £76.9m
Stam £73.1m

We have always splashed the cash people don’t realise how much we spent, granted they’re all world class/developed into world class and worth it but we should be spending money. It’s wrong to say we spent modest fees on top players in the past though.
Where did you pluck those numbers from :lol:. Did you just mash keys together on the number pad and hoped no one would notice
 
I used the wrong word pal. I hold my hands up.

Feel free to dig up posts of mine regarding this matter. I find myself arguing with United fans not just on here but in real life, who say city are ruining football. I'm fully aware how much we spent under fergie and how we blew everyone out the water.

But but but...
That wasn't my point (bangs head). My point was that we got value for money most the time whereas recently we have got anything but.

I didn’t see that you already explained mate. Apologies.
 
Where did you pluck those numbers from :lol:. Did you just mash keys together on the number pad and hoped no one would notice

I don't get how Carrick at 16m in 06 is now 90m, and berbatov at double that just 2 years later is 79

Or van nistelrooy and veron, signed same time at a difference of less than 10m have such a big difference now
 
https://www.skysports.com/football/...sive-premier-league-transfers-in-todays-money

It says this at the end of the article:

If everyday items had inflated at the same rate as transfer fees over the past 26 years, a pint of milk would now cost £8 and a loaf of bread would set you back £12.

..17/18

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/thes...sfer-inflation-transfer-records-top-transfers

..18/19

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X9A7fBIHAzfcmY124d6mNhTqZo23G7r7JTUek4jyJ-o/htmlview

people don’t actually have any clue how crazy the football market is.




I’m just trying to explain the Maguire fee to people, do not take this as me defending the Glazers or Woodward, that’s a whole different discussion, they are scum.
 
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May have worded it wrong mate,

https://www.skysports.com/football/...sive-premier-league-transfers-in-todays-money

Or bashed some Keys together mr ChaddyP, we haven’t signed Maguire, we’re talking value.
Reading the article I understand what you meant now. It's not really adjusted for just inflation of the dollar . It also takes into consideration what a "30 million pound signing" in 2002 would be this year due to the purchasing power of clubs now.

Apologies
 
I like others now suspect he was maybe 3rd or 4th choice. The suggestion is we asked about koulibaly, diop, and maybe one other. All of those quoted at big figures. If we don't get Maguire I can't see us buying a CB this year. We will have to get behind Jones, Smalling and Lindelof, well someone will or we will be conceding 50+ goals again.
 
That surely cannot be true. How can we need to sell in order to buy with our revenues? Woody tightening the purse strings?

Are you surprised considering we only bought Fred, Dalot, and the blockbuster Lee Grant last summer? Thinking about it, we paid roughly the same amount for them as we did for James and AWB this time around.
 
Are you surprised considering we only bought Fred, Dalot, and the blockbuster Lee Grant last summer? Thinking about it, we paid roughly the same amount for them as we did for James and AWB this time around.
Not so much surprised but still didn't want to believe we were that incompetent. If anything I thought that the money we didn't spend last year would go into this year's budget to give Ole a big first window like Mourinho and LVG got.

Penny pinching from the 'Biggest club in the world'? Pathetic.
 
Ya, it looks like there needs to be some sales before more buys. And sadly, only Lukaku attracts some interests. Nobody want Rojo, Darmian and Jones?
 
I think we'll make top 4 with our current squad, if we sign Maguire then we'll challenge for top 2.

Not a chance. If we sell Lukaku and buy Maguire, we'd be lucky to make the top 4. I'd say we're a top 6 team now, especially if Arsenal get Pepe. Leicester are getting better and Wolves will improve.
 
I totally agree with you! :)

This is why this is difficult for Leicester. Part of the strategy seems to be offering players with potential a route to the 1st team (Maddison, Ricardo, Tielemans, Ayoze, as well as our own u21s such as Chilwell, now Barnes, etc).
If we just flatly refuse to strike deals, it derails this approach, because as you say, such players will just go to alternate clubs. Balancing this with getting the right price, having the right players to replace them (Like we seem to be doing with James Justin coming in as understudy to Ricardo, who if hes has another great season will likely have offers next season)

Again, a great post - thoroughly agree with you.

I think its reasonable to expect more than two seasons out of them though, we can let them move on, but with more time played for us first. Two seasons is practically nothing.

Also if it wasnt for us where would these players be? As other clubs dont seem willing to give these chances out to similar players. Would maguire still be at hull? chilwell in league one somewhere?
 
Mate stop saying arrogance, United’s transfer strategy is odd and poorly run but not arrogant.

I do think any bid in the last week of the window would be rejected however

You are right, I was incredulous to the quoted message, but that is no excuse.
I am a visiting fan, so better behaviour is required, sorry to any I offended.
 
224 pages since May discussing Harry Maguire. Dear or dear. We wonder why the quality at the club has dipped so much in recent years. The argument is we are happy with this because he is better than our other CB's who are actually poor anyway.
 
Definitely. If Neymar and Mbappe is at 29 or 30 years old, let's say they are playing at their peak too, do you think they will cost them as much? Of course not. Because there's simply no resell value to invest on. Do you think when club bought a player, they will think the player will stay for a long period of time, and may even retired at the club too? Of course not. Neymar already wants out after playing for PSG for 2 years, there's also noises from Mbappe camp that he will be looking for a move in future, in just 2 years. Very few players will stay at a club for over 10 years after making a big move, and retired there, that's the reality. And of course resell value is so important, especially when we are talking about alot of money, in the range of tens to hundreds of millions.

De Ligt deal worths 67m (in pounds) in transfer fee, and around 21m per year in wages, with 150m release cause. In 3 years it will cost Juventus around 128m in total, with release clause of 135m. If he stays for 5 years, it will cost 170m in total.

Maguire deal didn't happen yet, but lets say we paid Leicester their asking fee of around 90m in transfer fee, wages lets say around 250 per week, which would cost around 13.5m per year, in 5 years the deal would cost around 157m in total.

So the scenario is, if both players stay at the club for 5 years, it will cost Juventus 13m more (not really that much). But if Juventus sold Maguire in 3 or 5 years, it could cost them nothing, yet Maguire will still cost us 157m, that's the difference I am talking about, the resell value which matters, and we are talking about between 13m to 150m difference there. Even if De Ligt stays for another 10 or 12 years, by then we may have to spend another 80m on another defender when Maguire is done in 6 or 7 years, whereas De Ligt will still be at 26, it would save Juventus another 80m too for another 6 or 7 years.
So my original point is correct, that the Maguire deal will be lower than the De Ligt deal.
As for your comments on resell value etc, de Ligts value could quite easily plummet, hence the reason there's a buy out clause in the contract, to maintain his value in case this happens!
Club's work on the principal that the players will honour their contracts, obviously this doesn't happen all the time but that's the way the deal is financed.
 
https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...romelu-lukaku-deal-is-completed-38351914.html

A Press Association Journo Martin Rickett is claiming the Maguire deal is contingent on lukaku money? I can't see beyond paywall.

Did we spend out actual budget on James and AWB and the likes of maguire et al need big departures to fund it?
It really does feel this way doesn’t it? Why are we being so hesitant on Maguire/Bruno if it isn’t money related? It makes sense why Woodward is haggling so much also.

I guess the loss of CL football really hit us, it seems the 100m budget was true.
 
So my original point is correct, that the Maguire deal will be lower than the De Ligt deal.
As for your comments on resell value etc, de Ligts value could quite easily plummet, hence the reason there's a buy out clause in the contract, to maintain his value in case this happens!
Club's work on the principal that the players will honour their contracts, obviously this doesn't happen all the time but that's the way the deal is financed.

That's not how buy out clauses work if DeLigt flops there is no way his release clause gets activated and protects his value, only reason this was inserted is to give De ligt assurance that he won't be priced out of a move in future while giving Juventus decent profit if he intends to leave subject to the fact he is a success at Juventus otherwise it's all moot.
 
It really does feel this way doesn’t it? Why are we being so hesitant on Maguire/Bruno if it isn’t money related? It makes sense why Woodward is haggling so much also.

I guess the loss of CL football really hit us, it seems the 100m budget was true.

IMO, if the PA journo is correct,

Need to sell Lukaku to get Maguire done.

SMS and/or Bruno are likely deals we've left open in case pogba pushes for a move this week.

I fully expect our window to end with James, Maguire, AWB and the talking point from the club is going to be "Ole has filled gaps with youth and talent....we are really impressed with the tour squad, they will get the opportunities this season"
 
IMO, if the PA journo is correct,

Need to sell Lukaku to get Maguire done.

SMS and/or Bruno are likely deals we've left open in case pogba pushes for a move this week.

I fully expect our window to end with James, Maguire, AWB and the talking point from the club is going to be "Ole has filled gaps with youth and talent....we are really impressed with the tour squad, they will get the opportunities this season"
Not getting Bruno would be frustrating, but I hope that means more minutes for Gomes as I feel he’s going to be top class if given the chance.

I feel the group of chong/Gomes/Greenwood/Garner are massively talented and we should do a class of 89 with them. They seem hungry enough.
 
It cannot be, how did we even bid for Maguire previously then? And for Longstaff for that matter

Easy, Lukaku openly started pushing for his move after the Belgium game with that interview. That interview was the 11/JUN. For Lukaku to say directly that he was looking at Conte and thus Inter, talks would have likely started earlier than that.

We officially got the Maguire bid rejected on the 2/JUL. Thus it can be argued (using the logic given by the PA journo) that MUFC likely knew a minimum figure they could get for Lukaku as the Maguire talks started. Bidding 70m for Maguire also takes into account whatever we have left over after James and AWB. We don't have to have 70m available on the day we make a bid, it's all smoke and mirror game. So say we had 25-30 million in hard cash in the "war chest" and the club knows a lukaku sale would be at worst, 50 million minimum. There's your offer without actually having the money. Even an accepted bid means nothing because there are about 1000 steps to go in the process before cash starts moving hands.

Take ontop of this that Rodgers has gone out and said we've done nothing since the rid rejection, how does it take 26 days to bid 10 million more? This is where the PA journo has come in and allegedly claimed Maguire's actual price will be set by the lukaku transfer and thus we can see where (ALLEGEDLY) the delay has come from.

Longstaff....no official bid as far as i'm aware??? BBC did an article on 27/JUN claiming he was a target, then we got the news that he was passed on after a NUFC evaluation was deemed to be too high.

Also, lets not forget that there is also another thread that claims (ESPN sources) that our "war chest" was 100m and it would only get bigger with sales. James and AWB was roughly 75 million all up.

I'm not saying any of this is correct, all i'm saying is that it's possible.
 
It cannot be, how did we even bid for Maguire previously then? And for Longstaff for that matter

Why not? We bid at the fund our budget allowed. And the clubs want more. We would have to sell to fund it.
 
Still it is most likely all BS (100m war chest). People here don’t believe transfer rumors, but somehow take transfer budget rumor (which makes zero sense) as a given.

If we don’t qualify for the CL for the second time in a row, an exodus of sponsors may start, and this will be a catastrophe for Glazers
 
Made one bid weeks ago and have completely left the negotiation table since to the point of Leicester playing him for 90 minutes in friendlies and Rogers going public in saying they haven’t heard anything.

This one isn’t going to happen in my opinion, the club believe he’s too expensive.
 
This better still happen, or we’re going to not buy a new CB again which would be a total joke.

Not feeling too positive, but maybe once Lukaku goes things will get interesting.
 
This one isn’t going to happen in my opinion, the club believe he’s too expensive.

Why didn’t the club informed the press then? City did tell the press that they are not interested at quoted price, why couldn’t we do the same?
 
Not getting Bruno would be frustrating, but I hope that means more minutes for Gomes as I feel he’s going to be top class if given the chance.

I feel the group of chong/Gomes/Greenwood/Garner are massively talented and we should do a class of 89 with them. They seem hungry enough.

89?
Surely you're not getting the super famous 92 wrong?!
 
Why didn’t the club informed the press then? City did tell the press that they are not interested at quoted price, why couldn’t we do the same?


Why do we need to? We simply left the negotiation table. If we commented on every transfer rumour we’d be releasing statements every 2 days.
 
So my original point is correct, that the Maguire deal will be lower than the De Ligt deal.
As for your comments on resell value etc, de Ligts value could quite easily plummet, hence the reason there's a buy out clause in the contract, to maintain his value in case this happens!
Club's work on the principal that the players will honour their contracts, obviously this doesn't happen all the time but that's the way the deal is financed.
That's not how buyout clauses work, they exist to allow the player to leave to a club they want.
 
for what it's worth I have just seen this.



I'm sure if this true, Harry will no doubt sign a new deal with us again, probably doubling his wages again, for the second year in a row, which I'm sure would ease his "personal calamity"


Martin Cockshaw?

I'm sceptical.
 
:lol: Irrespective of this cocksure bullshiter, I have a feeling that we have actually called it off. We would've signed him by now if we kept going.

Yes a lot of your fellow fans on here have stated what an excellent negotiator Woodward is,so your point must be true.
 
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