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Anyone quoting de ligt in this transfer thread needs shooting. It’s been shown we were interested and offered a fortune in cash, and he didn’t want to come. Lack of CL or whatever.

Tuanzebe will get us destroyed week in week out, he needs to be brought in slow. I’m guessing we will see Smalling lindelof as the other combinations won’t work.

I assume we are hoping to attract sancho next year, but good luck with that with no CL.
 
golden_blunder said:
Have said it already in this thread. Using DeLigt as a price comparison is a folly. He went for that price because Ajax had an agreement with him not to price him out of the market so he could choose where he wanted to go. Otherwise he would have gone for €100m in a bidding war.
Unusual transfer and an outlier, not really relevant to discussing Maguires alleged price tag
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Exactly. The key word is "not to price him out of market". What Leicester did to Maguire is exactly pricing him out of the market. Hence City is out of it, no other top clubs are interest, and we are still some distance away from matching Leicester valuation. Make no mistake, Leicester is asking for an amount which is well above world record fee, for someone who is nowhere near worldclass, nor even with worldclass potential.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Exactly. That's how the fans feel at this stage, when we have to pay reportedly 85-90m in order to get Maguire, while the likes of De Ligt, who is younger and better, only went for 67m. There are fans who are not happy about us overpaying the players who are rated lower and older, and its understandable. Its all about how much we can tolerate, some can tolerate us overpaid by extra 10m, some can tolerate 20m, some can tolerate 30-40m etc. But eventually, everyone has to draw their line somewhere. Maybe for you, 80-90m (overpay by 20-30m) is ok, but at 200m (overpay by 130-140m) is total nonsense, and you wouldn't be happy.
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I think really you need to look at how the club value a transfer, it's not just the transfer fee they look at but the wages over the contract period too, that amount combined is the complete value to the club.
There's a good chance that even paying £80m for Maguire, his wage demands will be much lower than that of De Ligts, especially considering De Ligt is on a four year contract worth £475k a week apparently, which means the complete transfer value of Maguire is lower than De Ligts.
People really need to grasp this when talking about transfers.
 
Champ said:
I think really you need to look at how the club value a transfer, it's not just the transfer fee they look at but the wages over the contract period too, that amount combined is the complete value to the club.
There's a good chance that even paying £80m for Maguire, his wage demands will be much lower than that of De Ligts, especially considering De Ligt is on a four year contract worth £475k a week apparently, which means the complete transfer value of Maguire is lower than De Ligts.
People really need to grasp this when talking about transfers.
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Not really. You forget one key factor here - Resell Value.
De Ligts has a release clause of 150m in 3 years time, which means in 3 years time, Juventus can at least earn double profit from selling him, which is more than enough to cover all his salary within next 3 years. Which means it basically cost Juventus nothing (if they are forced to sell him in future)
Whereas in Maguire case, we are going to pay 80-90m for transfer fee, and around 250k weekly salary (if reports are true). In 5 years time its over 150m investment, by then he will be 31 years old, probably not much in resell value.
 
Why do people keep banging on about De Ligt being cheaper than Maguire when a) De Ligt didn't want to come to us and b) his agent is a turd who would have agitated for a move after two seasons to Real or Barca anyway.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Not really. You forget one key factor here - Resell Value.
De Ligts has a release clause of 150m in 3 years time, which means in 3 years time, Juventus can at least earn double profit from selling him, which is more than enough to cover all his salary within next 3 years. Which means it basically cost Juventus nothing (if they are forced to sell him in future)
Whereas in Maguire case, we are going to pay 80-90m for transfer fee, and around 250k weekly salary (if reports are true). In 5 years time its over 150m investment, by then he will be 31 years old, probably not much in resell value.
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Resale value counts for nothing of their at the end of their contract, the club only cares about value based on contract lengths, buyout clauses are entered for insurance for the club.

If club's really cared about resale value no one over the age of 26 would be signed!
 
I prefer Jones and Lindelof if push comes to shove. Smalling will be so risky with VAR involved next season. Actually we are at a stage now where we say feck it and pay whatever Leicester wants for the bloke, once Lukaku is sold to Inter
 
Champ said:
Resale value counts for nothing of their at the end of their contract, the club only cares about value based on contract lengths, buyout clauses are entered for insurance for the club.

If club's really cared about resale value no one over the age of 26 would be signed!
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Of course clubs do care. Neymar was sold for over 200m because of release clause, and Mbappe, at such a young age, has cost PSG over 160m. Ronaldo at 33 only cost 100m, if he is 23 years old at current market, would have cost over 300m. Club not just paying for 5 years. Younger players would generally cost more because of higher resell value.
 
SATA said:
I prefer Jones and Lindelof if push comes to shove. Smalling will be so risky with VAR involved next season. Actually we are at a stage now where we say feck it and pay whatever Leicester wants for the bloke, once Lukaku is sold to Inter
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There should be a hand that jumps out of whatever device people are using to be on the CAF and every time someone writes “Smalling will be a liberty when VAR comes in to play” it slaps them across the face.
 
Ronaldo's Love Child said:
Why do people keep banging on about De Ligt being cheaper than Maguire when a) De Ligt didn't want to come to us and b) his agent is a turd who would have agitated for a move after two seasons to Real or Barca anyway.
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Because unfortunately, as a club, you still have some fans who still believe you are operating as a Fergie time Utd, and not operating under a new set of circumstances.
Thankfully for Utd, Ole clearly does not believe this and he working towards an organic way of reclaiming past glories, rather than brainlessly regurgitating every big name going as if it is some sort of magic bullet for all your current ills.

I am totally not having a go, we went down to league 1 fgs, went under, etc.
(Please don’t pull a "But we are Utd" argument either, this is a fan related pain thing, not a club size/stature thing)

I am sure you will reclaim said glories, but patience is surely required?
 
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Andersons Dietician said:
There should be a hand that jumps out of whatever device people are using to be on the CAF and every time someone writes “Smalling will be a liberty when VAR comes in to play” it slaps them across the face.
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It's actually true mate. He pulls jerseys too much for my liking, and he'll get punished for it. Other than that, i rate him
 
SATA said:
It's actually true mate. He pulls jerseys too much for my liking, and he'll get punished for it. Other than that, i rate him
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They all pull jerseys, he’s also played under VAR and been fine. It’s just another thing people have been brainwashed in to saying. If anything Maguire is just as bad at it.
 
Jacob said:
If that is true then it is absolutely absurd from a business perspective. Ajax risking 40m to honour a gentleman's agreement. I suppose they didn't know his value was going to skyrocket back then.
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It’s true, VDS confirmed it earlier in the window
 
RedRonaldo said:
Exactly. The key word is "not to price him out of market". What Leicester did to Maguire is exactly pricing him out of the market. Hence City is out of it, no other top clubs are interest, and we are still some distance away from matching Leicester valuation. Make no mistake, Leicester is asking for an amount which is well above world record fee, for someone who is nowhere near worldclass, nor even with worldclass potential.
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Well yes because they don’t want to sell!
 
Andersons Dietician said:
They all pull jerseys, he’s also played under VAR and been fine. It’s just another thing people have been brainwashed in to saying. If anything Maguire is just as bad at it.
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I'd like a list of these.

Sometimes a forum such as this is a bit like preseason in a fantasy league game where everyone debates which players they'll use. Eventually most end up with the same 11.
 
Ronaldo's Love Child said:
Why do people keep banging on about De Ligt being cheaper than Maguire when a) De Ligt didn't want to come to us and b) his agent is a turd who would have agitated for a move after two seasons to Real or Barca anyway.
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Pretty much this. English guys barely ever go outside the British Isles so the high price probably factors into that.

And yeah I wouldn’t trust Raiola to have De Ligt see out that five year contract Juve gave him in its entirety. The two ugly sisters of Spain will be enticed by Raiola to make bids for him and Juve will be given the headaches of dealing with this shit.
 
I don't see how resale value is relevant at all here. Resale value only counts for selling players who want to leave for bigger clubs - something we don't typically do (with a few exceptions like Ronaldo). We don't usually sell players until they are finished or nearly finished, at which point we bin them off to smaller clubs or release them; of course they won't have as much resale value then. That's the entire point.
 
SATA said:
I prefer Jones and Lindelof if push comes to shove. Smalling will be so risky with VAR involved next season. Actually we are at a stage now where we say feck it and pay whatever Leicester wants for the bloke, once Lukaku is sold to Inter
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Yea he will be giving away a penalty at every set piece....

When will the madness stop?
 


Free to watch on YouTube if anyone wants to see him play. Clearly no closer to signing if he's playing. Club is a joke.
 
Good for him if he’s playing. We will need him fit and ready for the league opener

Anyway of course he’ll play if no deal is agreed yet. All may change in a few days
 
RussellWilson said:


Free to watch on YouTube if anyone wants to see him play. Clearly no closer to signing if he's playing. Club is a joke.
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They’re playing 2 games today, so have to field 2 different teams. It may not be any closer but I don’t think him playing is a huge indicator of anything.
 
If we were close I doubt they would risk an injury. I imagine we're very far from agreeing a deal.
 
Nico87 said:
They’re playing 2 games today, so have to field 2 different teams. It may not be any closer but I don’t think him playing is a huge indicator of anything.
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The team at stoke is full strength with 1 exception, NDidi won’t be back until the first league game
 
VeevaVee said:
Think this will still happen close or on deadline day for 85m.
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That amount of arrogance required to rock up on deadline day and make an acceptable offer would be impressive, especially as nothing has been blocking an acceptable offer at all.

I expect Ed would get a very short response to such a ridiculous proposal.
 
Dahnsouff said:
That amount of arrogance required to rock up on deadline day and make an acceptable offer would be impressive, especially as nothing has been blocking an acceptable offer at all.

I expect Ed would get a very short response to such a ridiculous proposal.
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Mate stop saying arrogance, United’s transfer strategy is odd and poorly run but not arrogant.

I do think any bid in the last week of the window would be rejected however
 
We shouldn't go over £70M. Other clubs will know that we pay what they want in the end if we end up at £80M for him.
 
Man-United said:
We shouldn't go over £70M. Other clubs will know that we pay what they want in the end if we end up at £80M for him.
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Got some great news for you - you signed Aaron Wan-Bissaka for 50m...
 
Man-United said:
We shouldn't go over £70M. Other clubs will know that we pay what they want in the end if we end up at £80M for him.
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So you prefer to continue play shite in our starting XI? This way in a few years we will be fighting against relegation - as no good player in his prime years would ever want to join a team full of shite players and no quality in the squad, and the last bits of quality who are still here will leave as soon as they manage.
 
Alemar said:
So you prefer to continue play shite in our starting XI? This way in a few years we will be fighting against relegation - as no good player in his prime years would ever want to join a team full of shite players and no quality in the squad, and the last bits of quality who are still here will leave as soon as they manage.
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:lol:. Give your head a wobble, I hope you're just being hyperbolic and don't actually think that.
 
RedRonaldo said:
Of course clubs do care. Neymar was sold for over 200m because of release clause, and Mbappe, at such a young age, has cost PSG over 160m. Ronaldo at 33 only cost 100m, if he is 23 years old at current market, would have cost over 300m. Club not just paying for 5 years. Younger players would generally cost more because of higher resell value.
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Do you think PSG cared about resale value when they spent all that money on both Mbappe and Neymar?
Do you think Juve cared too much about resale value or buyout clauses with Ronaldo?
Younger players cost more because they are paying for potential, not because they 'may be worth more in future'!!
The fact is buyout clauses ensure that player retains a certain value of they don't succeed, or get injured for example, hence insurance for the club.
The simple fact is club's care less about resale value and buyout clauses than you seem to think, and look more at the points I've already noted, which is contract lengths and wages combined with the initial fee.
In Maguire's case, his total contract and fee combined would be considerably less than De Ligts total package. Maguire is the complete player already, De Ligt is still learning although has the potential to become world class, yet also has the potential to stagnate as many young upcomers tend too.
 
Dahnsouff said:
That amount of arrogance required to rock up on deadline day and make an acceptable offer would be impressive, especially as nothing has been blocking an acceptable offer at all.

I expect Ed would get a very short response to such a ridiculous proposal.
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Hardly. It's a pretty obvious move, and probably one your lot are holding out for.
 
Man-United said:
We shouldn't go over £70M. Other clubs will know that we pay what they want in the end if we end up at £80M for him.
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Who gives a feck what the club pay for a crucial player...? Seriously.

We're a mega-rich super-club with shit loads of money and clueless owners - everyone knows that, even the owners themselves by this point will know that they're utterly clueless.

Our wage structure has been mis-balanced and is a wreck thanks to Woodward's contracts.

Surely no real Utd fan gives a feck if the Glazers fork out 15m more for a crucial player than they think is necessary...?

Part of me even wants to see the fecking morons overpay.
 
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