Selling Rojo for 25mil 
good luck.
Basically all those prices are unrealistic/wrong.
good luck.Basically all those prices are unrealistic/wrong.
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I feel so bad for you. You literally defined what market value means and people will argue with you for the sake of arguing.
This whole bullying thing is getting super tedious.
We've offered 70m.
We've not stormed in with some bailiffs and said we're having him for free cos we is Manchester United.
There it is again.
Tedious isn't it.
Would be third, possibly 4th choice at Leicester so absolutely no chance of this happening.
215 pages and this is my least favourite transfer-saga of all time. Can't believe we're going to have to wait till deadline day to sign a better-than-we've-got centre-back.
Mate who in their right mind is going to pay 25m for Rojo and 90m for Lukaku who can’t even trap a ball under pressure?
I can argue we shouldn’t of even signed them both at all.
The CAF has gone bonkers. Must be the heat
I can argue we shouldn’t of even signed them both at all.
The CAF has gone bonkers. Must be the heat
The way this one is going, you'd think it's prime Vidic We're after.
of course - and at this very moment Leicester is bullying Celtic about Callum McGregor
The term bullying is probably inappropriate. The situation is that Manchester United is a behmoth of a club. A club that for years had consistent success. It may be rude to say so, but to a degree, you still operate as if this is the case, and the reason this seems reasonable is because, as I said the Manchester United is a massive, massive club, a colossal brand.
This, coupled with your riches, makes you an appealing propspect to most players (At least those who do not insist of playing in the Champions League).
Now, the reason the term bullying is used, probably because a better term escapes me, is that when such a club say "We are interested in player X", there is almost inevitably some level of interest from the player (No surprise).
So, when the players club says X millions as the required amount, yet Utd won`t pay it, but still continue to admit pursuit, make such statements as "We won't overpay", " We have patience", then there is no other conclusion to draw than Utd is just waiting for the player to kick up a fuss and push for the move, at a value below the owning clubs valuiation. (This is just "throwing your weight" around maybe?)
Anyone's opinion that says Harry's asking price it to high, is a fool. It is not anyone's place to set the price except the seller.
(Economics 101)
Have a good day all!
This, coupled with your riches, makes you an appealing propspect to most players (At least those who do not insist of playing in the Champions League).
Now, the reason the term bullying is used, probably because a better term escapes me, is that when such a club say "We are interested in player X", there is almost inevitably some level of interest from the player (No surprise).
So, when the players club says X millions as the required amount, yet Utd won`t pay it, but still continue to admit pursuit, make such statements as "We won't overpay", " We have patience", then there is no other conclusion to draw than Utd is just waiting for the player to kick up a fuss and push for the move, at a value below the owning clubs valuiation. (This is just "throwing your weight" around maybe?)
Anyone's opinion that says Harry's asking price it to high, is a fool. It is not anyone's place to set the price except the seller.
(Economics 101)
Have a good day all!
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From the Dutch league and Ajax already agreed to let him go around that price. The club have millions sat in the bank and realise players are going to move on. Simply put the club isn’t greedy. They just made £130m off two youngsters.
There it is again.
They need to get a grip
Hallelujah, exactly this!
Bleating about his price or thinking we will accept less with silly add ons etc etc will never happen.
Ole wants Maguire and is willing to go to the final day of transfer window to get him. That's a big risk imo.
Value is not determined by the supplier.
You are confusing price and value.
This is true, except if you are operating in a sellers market of course.
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He is better than what we have, so agree we should pay the money, not sure about the mushroom thing though..
Price is, value isn't.
I disagree. It's not our fault that we're a more attractive destination to most players than, for example, Leicester, so we shouldn't be paying more than any other club would do as some form of compensation for that. United, being as wealthy as they are, are regularly taken for a ride in the transfer market.
When a white man is quoted 10 times the price of a local for buying a rug in a Moroccan market it's not considered bullying to say no to that price. It becomes unacceptable when the buyer starts demanding a price below the true market value, which is to be determined by what most people end up paying for the item.
I'm sure Maguire's price tag would be a fair bit lower if it were Everton interested in him.
Price is a monetary value, in this case decided by the seller (Leicester). value is an opinion assigned by a given individual (Fans) or party (Utd), as such it is meaningless to anyone other than individual/party declaring it.
It was an example of how value can differ.
That clarify I do not value him at £250 million
Could be worse, we could take the approach of certain Spanish clubs and get all of our English players to talk about how great it would be for their international colleague to play for their team and effectively publicly tap him up for about 12 months before we ever make a bid for him.
Ole and the lads have just got back from the tour. Let’s see if there’s going to be some activity now.
I was pointing out that value is unique for each stakeholder and that there is no such thing as market value.
I am not sure what you mean. If United value him at £90 million they will pay less than their value assessment if they buy him for £80 million.
It's getting there yeah, i can't even tell the difference between most of them. They all have a username with some variation of Fox in it and post virtually the same shite. Over and over again.
Hilarious and sad in equal measure at this point. One of them keeps popping in almost every page replying to a random poster and demanding that United either pay up or move on. Or words to that effect.
Not sure they have realized that no one here is part of the negotiations or in a position to affect Uniteds transfer policy.
When have United made public statements declaring either of those things? Have United made any public statements regarding negotiations for Maguire at all?
There's no bullying or anything similar going on with the Maguire deal mate. Its simply negotiations and haggling over a price, might come as a shock to you but Leicester have done exactly the same to other clubs, and will do exactly the same thing in the future. It's how football transfers work.
The hold up with the Maguire deal and the reason for the dragged out negotiations in my opinion is this. If United thought he was worth £50m and Leicester wanted £60M then i think theres a reasonable chance United wold have just paid it by now. But they are looking for a World record fee for a defender, United have the money but are reluctant to pay so much as it not only inflates the market in general. But more importantly adds probably 10-15% to the fee the next time United try to buy a defender.
United had similar drawn out negotiations for Pogba a few years back, a lot of the noises coming out of the media in Italy were that Juve wanted around £100m for him. It took two months but United finally secured a deal in mid August for around £89m. When so much money is involved it can't be done overnight, these deals take weeks/months.
Hence my use of quotation marks.
You're that excited over Maguire? He'll be our best CB and improve the team but he'll possibly be the least exciting £80M signing of all time. I've made my peace with the overspending, I just want it done!
We'll end up caving and paying the price Leicester wanted.
A pure waste of months of negotiating is my guess. Which I understand needs to be done but it is further proof of how shit Ed and his crew are.
A pure waste of months of negotiating is my guess. Which I understand needs to be done but it is further proof of how shit Ed and his crew are.
You are using the word value incorrectly. Price is not a monetary value at all, not even close.
I think this guy is overrated. Cuba Gooding Jr. was the driving force behind the movie.
I'm sorry, I am.
I'm sorry, I am.
Another tour game, another showing that our CB pairing is suspect AF.
Axel and Lindelof are the only two i'd even give a thimble of praise for on the tour. And that's saying something considering Axel looks likes he needs a good season playing as a back up for him just to find his groove.
Just pay for maguire. I'm sick of these "what about paying 40m for another prospect that i personally like". Who we like, who we want, isn't going to be on the mind of club management. All we know is that Maguire is strongly linked and we've bid for him.
We know Maguire's level right now, he could get much better, he could stay the same, but why are we pissing around on this deal when FOUR tour games have easily shown we are a clown show in defence.
Axel and Lindelof are the only two i'd even give a thimble of praise for on the tour. And that's saying something considering Axel looks likes he needs a good season playing as a back up for him just to find his groove.
Just pay for maguire. I'm sick of these "what about paying 40m for another prospect that i personally like". Who we like, who we want, isn't going to be on the mind of club management. All we know is that Maguire is strongly linked and we've bid for him.
We know Maguire's level right now, he could get much better, he could stay the same, but why are we pissing around on this deal when FOUR tour games have easily shown we are a clown show in defence.
Sign him up, at least he's a reliable starter week in week out.
United bullying would be for them to say no to the splitting of TV rights and convince the other top 6 clubs to follow. If the top 6 clubs negotiated their own TV deals, teams like Leicester will not have enough money to turn down 70m for a center back.
That, would be United bullying.
That, would be United bullying.
They've already got 2 decent full backs, so o highly doubt they'd want Darmian. They might take Jones though.
Stop dithering and get it done, transfer fees are rising all the time. He will add quality to our back line. Have horrible thoughts that city will come in and snatch him if we continue to dither
Good post - but I don't think United are playing games expecting Maguire to start kicking up a fuss. He doesn't seem the type at all.
Instead I think its a waiting game like with many transfers these days. As we near the close Leicester will be considering whether they want a player that might lose a little focus next season, or you might have made some progress on a target you've been looking at as a replacement (which you would surely have been doing if for no other reason than it would be insane not to). We are doing the same thing with Lukaku. I suspect both transfers will happen and both players will move for less than the quoted 'asking prices'.
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