Why not to offer them 70m+Darmian, maybe they will accept. He is not on very high wages and of absolutely no use for us, but at Leicester maybe he will play
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Yeah, if we buy him we know we are going to be paying over ‘market value’ based on VVD and de Light etc. But that may still be his worth to us.
I just want the deal to be done so all the newly signed up Leicester fans to Redcafe can pipe down a bit. If a players wants to leave its only a matter of time on any transfer.
This is really semantics, but that is just not correct.
If I have a Snickers-bar and I want 200 USD for it; that does not constitute market value.
If some idiot decides to pay it; that does.
Its the agreement in an open market place that decides value.
AWB, Maguire and James is a poor poor window and I doubt Solskjaer will keep his job without a top four finish.
We've lost Fellaini, Herrera and even with Ander the midfield was poor, Ole's PSG comments should be the catalyst in the directive that drives our window. Two central midfielders needed (minimum), Centre Half needed, Right winger and a proper striker. We are three / four players short of being in a stronger position than last season.
We've lost Fellaini, Herrera and even with Ander the midfield was poor, Ole's PSG comments should be the catalyst in the directive that drives our window. Two central midfielders needed (minimum), Centre Half needed, Right winger and a proper striker. We are three / four players short of being in a stronger position than last season.
This argument is just weak these days. Joelinton just went to fecking Newcastle for £44m - 7 goals in 35 games in the Bundesliga. What was Richardlison last season? Van Dijk didn’t play a game of football at a Southampton for over 6 months, they still got £75m for him, contrary to the idea he was already world class at the time. Hazard £88m with one year left on his contract. Football has gone mental and if we actually had ambition we should just sign him if we have the funds.
It absolutely does, and no idiot will decide to pay it. Hence the market tells you that your valuation is too high - leading you to either take it off the market or lower your asking price. In the end - the value is still the minimum amount you'd accept for the snickers bar.
Yep. Too many FM enthusiasts on here. We're in a seller's market unfortunately - LCFC know we're in need and we have deep pockets. Simples. Pay the feckin money and get it done.
A centre back who can bring the ball out is a key part of the modern game.
Not a good analogy. I can go down the corner store and get a Snickers bar.
If there was only one Snickers, that'd be a better analogy. Then you'd compare it to another chocolate bar that there was only one of. If I wanted the Snickers and you wanted $200 for it, I might pay for it. Even though it's more than let say, a Score bar that I could buy for $25. I don't want the Score bar, I want the Snickers, so I must pay $200.
I see a lot of posters saying he's not worth it. Value and worth are not synonymous. If Leicester values him at 90m, that is all well and good but the player is worth what we are willing to pay him for wages if we bought him. The value is what clubs are willing to pay for him.
well we agreed tp pay 500k a week, so your comment "no idiot would pay it" holds no water
The value will always be different between the two clubs. Otherwise there would be no deal. There will only be a deal when Leicester gets more than they think he’s valued at and Man Utd pays less than they think he’s valued. That is why trade brings peace and prosperity to the world.
Value is always unique for each individual, or in this case organisation.
Ok, then why not 130 for De Ligt?
Unfortunately thats not how it works either. An asset/object/commodity is only worth what it sells for at any given time. And it only sells for what someone is willing to pay for it.
You can't walk into a shop and buy an Ipad for £400 stick it on Ebay later that day for £10,000 and declare that is now how much it's worth.
Leicester know he's not worth how much they are asking but they are either A, hoping United are desperate enough to pay it or B, genuinely just pricing him above his market value in an effort to ward off interest from a bigger club.
Lets be honest Darmian is close to useless and has barely played for 2 years. No club wants to pay anything for him so i doubt even Leicester would want him.
Yeah, I agree, and the Snickers-analogy was quite basic or even bad.
I do stand by my point that you cant define exact value without an agreement between two clubs; when it comes to football players that is. Hazards transfer to Real defined his market value at that time, even if I dont think that anyone would have appreciated a 28-year old with one year left on his contract at 100m plus.
this is crazy
there a billion snickers bars, there is only one harry maguire.
Whether you think he is good or bad, you can't go out and by another one like you can with a snickers.
If he can manage to not lose the ball most times he gets it that will be an upgrade tbf.
I should really let this go)this is crazy
there a billion snickers bars, there is only one harry maguire.
Whether you think he is good or bad, you can't go out and by another one like you can with a snickers.
But that was not my point and admittedly a bad analogy.
I still stand by the notion that market value is not decided by the seller´s asking price, though.
And in defence of the Snickers-analogy, you could argue that there are Skriniar-, and Koulibaly-bars out there which might not be a Snickers, but close enough to be comparable.
But I am letting this go now.
You know, when we're struggling for 4th come Christmas because the strength of our defense is woeful, at least we can look back at this summer and say "good thing we didn't over pay for Maguire".
Ok not really but it's late and I've got a soapbox
Ok not really but it's late and I've got a soapbox
The weird thing is you seem to be agreeing with all the people you are arguing with.
Sorry but thats just a dumb post. Sounds like you're suggesting there is only one defender in the world.this is crazy
there a billion snickers bars, there is only one harry maguire.
Whether you think he is good or bad, you can't go out and by another one like you can with a snickers.
“Hi Aiyawatt, despite our deep pockets we're not prepared to meet your £85m valuation but we can offer you £70m AND a player we don’t want, who by our own admission is useless, and probably won’t even replace the player you don’t want to sell”
Man City tried to do this to us in January 2018 with Mahrez. Vichai refused to be bullied and his son will do the same.
Depends on the market value. If every Snickers bar is owned by someone and no one will sell for under 200 USD, that is the market price. We need to improve our defence and Maguire is a lot better than anyone we have. As close to Bruce as you can get.
Yes but the agreement defines the price, not the value. Man Utd could value him at £250 million, in theory, which will not be seen in the agreement.
The value is also very different for each club. United can earn much more money on Maguire through merchandise than Leicester can. Thus, he has a higher value for United than Leicester based on only that aspect.
I argue that market value does not exist, only value for individuals and individual enterprises.
While I agree with much of your post in general, I dont see any club making money of Maguire commercially....
Lads, you know you're all divas when you're hungry.
We will get him. Probably a negotiated GBP 77.5 million or something.
Have we ever signed a player while on tour? Genuine question.
Off the top of my head I'm fairly sure we signed Sergio Romero whilst on tour.
13 days left now, u still happy with utd to play the game and get players for best possible prices. I'm not having go at you but just want to know has your line of thinking shifted! I'm starting to think utd mustn't have the money needed to buy him. And cant move the players on that they need to fund it. Fairly frustrating transfer window for me as utd fan, but overall the window has been quiet in england for the bigger clubs. Smaller clubs arent being bullied anymore,most clubs have plenty of money which makes it boring viewing for us fans. Plus side,hopefully jim white will be out of job after 8th of August
I think you're slightly misunderstanding this. Its a win-win because LC gets something they value more than the player - say 80 mill odd - and Manchester United value the player more than the 80 million. Man United don't pay less than they think he's valued. They value Maguire more than what Leicester values him. That is why trade brings peace and prosperity. But you're right in your initial point that the two clubs will value the players differently or there's no incentive to trade in the first place. But this model is also ignoring that the commodity being traded - the player - also has preferences.
Yes we have. But it hardly ever happened as we tend to sign them really early or basically closer to the end of the window which used to be end of August. Much different now that the window ends earlier
I don't trust Woodward though, and neither should anyone on this board. I genuinely don't think we will make any additional signings due to the penny-pinching of the Glazers. Moreover, I have lost any faith or goodwill in Ole given his statement about not holding grudges. Those are the words of a yes man, and further proof that he is one can be found in the fact that many of the players who played against Everton, City, Cardiff are still around.
De Gea should be sold this summer and I would be more than comfortable with Henderson or Romero starting the season. The club is broke, otherwise Maguire would have signed long ago. Woodward is the tumour (he secured the loan that the Glazers used to load onto the club when buying it), they are the cancer and we are refusing chemotherapy out of pride.
Maybe we should go for "knickers" instead of Snickersthis is crazy
there a billion snickers bars, there is only one harry maguire.
Whether you think he is good or bad, you can't go out and by another one like you can with a snickers.
I remember that day. It was in the midst of the Ramos rumour saga. Then I saw the post of Manchester United page saying we have signed "Sergio R...".
I was losing my shit until I saw the full "Sergio Romero", not "Sergio Ramos" as we had anticipated. Ah time flies...
If we do the following:
Buy
Maguire: 70M
Bruno: 40M
Sell
Rojo: 25M
Lukaku: 90M
That's a 5M profit. Should be a no-brainer for Edward.
Buy
Maguire: 70M
Bruno: 40M
Sell
Rojo: 25M
Lukaku: 90M
That's a 5M profit. Should be a no-brainer for Edward.
No bidder for Rojo and Lukaku at that prices.
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