Unfortunately that’s not how it works, he’s worth however much Leicester says he is. How valuable he is to their squad. People don’t seem to understand this.
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Unfortunately that’s not how it works, he’s worth however much Leicester says he is. How valuable he is to their squad. People don’t seem to understand this.
Yes this would be correct. It's an entertainment business, footballers don't actually do anything worth a damn for the world, but it is what it is.
If we value him at 60 million, that means we're not buying him, because his price is 80 million. That's fine, but we've bought a few "reasonably priced defenders" the last few years in Bailley, Rojo, Blind and Lindelöf and our defense remains unimpressive. Yes, the market is inflated, and the answer is to ... not buy, and stay in 6th?
The market is ALWAYS inflated compare to the market from previous seasons. It's really that easy. Adapt or fail.
Try telling somebody from 2004 that Maguire is worth £60m but not £80m. They'd think you were crazy at both amounts. However, say the same thing to somebody from 2021 and they'd tell you to take the deal at £80m.
Try telling somebody from 2004 that Maguire is worth £60m but not £80m. They'd think you were crazy at both amounts. However, say the same thing to somebody from 2021 and they'd tell you to take the deal at £80m.
Wrong!
He costs how much Leicester says he costs but the purchasing club determines value.
They either refuse to pay above what they think the player is worth or agree to overpay if it suits them.
He will be presented on monday.
You might be right now Bailly's wrecked.
As a donkey on a beach in Blackpool
This is so important right here.
Leicester aren't fools. They are aware how much value he has to us. They are aware how good he could be for us. The data alone will show this. Just like how Southampton knew how much van Dijk meant to a cash rich Liverpool. They knew how good a fit he could be to them so they priced it as high as they Knew Liverpool could afford. It's not like you have a bunch of van Dijks all over the place ready to be purchased.
Ole clearly wants this lad. And in Ole's mind there is no other replacement worthy even at 80 million pounds. That's why the price is that high and why we most likely will pay most of what they are asking.
Palace knew the worth of awb and that's why he went for such a high price. This is just the new normal
Think this will be done. And if it is our only signing left this summer it is better to present him near the end of the window then a month before.
At least, am affraid, that's how Ed thinks.
At least, am affraid, that's how Ed thinks.
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What if the ITK was right all along, the deal is done, but we’re waiting until deadline day to sign the paper work..? That way, we save about £1m in wages that we would’ve been paying him?
WHAT IF THAT?! Woodward’s a genius.
WHAT IF THAT?! Woodward’s a genius.
I believe that this deal is now nearly done - all gone very quiet on the Leicester replacement front which means that it’s best that it sounds far away while they sort out their replacement (dunk - Brighton) - also helps us with our other target - reckon that we will sign HM and AN Other in close proximity - as for the Pogba scenario - that could also change everything else although I think he stays this year now.....as for departures - any would be good!
If the 80 million deal was done Brenda wouldn't be playing "our" player every chance he got
Think he would have been bought regardless. The deal was most likely done some time ago, but someone wants to look good and please the fans. The club has spread up the transfers over the summer the last windows. Lukaku and PP were presented towards the end of those summers.
Maguire has the highest success rate in both aerial battles and dribbles for a centre back in the whole league. Once he comes to us (please God) I have no doubt that he will be a colossal asset to us. I think he could be world class.
Really liked him at the World Cup.
Really liked him at the World Cup.
i hope they are paying us to get rid of their donkey rather than we buying the donkey
With all due respect, I don't think what you said here is true. I did a simple comparison at whoscored.com yesterday between him, Smalling and Lindelof and he was bang average among them two with the exception of higher long passes per match for him. He is definitely not the best in the world statistically, he is not even the best in EPL and he is comparable to Lindelof and Smalling.
If you have other source for your stats please post them just to add to the conversation.
Fecking woody againWe’ve obviously not told them yet..! Keep up!
That key metric we need in a central defender.
hence the Ole bit and how bad he wants him
What a weird post. If Maguire does join, he will do so at market value.
Thats how a market works.
If he does not, we can keep on discussing what his value might be. But the second a transfer is agreed we know what his value was at that moment in time.
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He's better than Kurt fecking Zouma.
I posted this earlier in the thread. I'll do it again...
Maguire is right up there with the best distributers in the whole of Europe. His ratio of accurate:inaccurate long balls is ridiculously good.
He's also got the best ratio of successful:unsuccessful aerial battles amongst the top 10 headers in the Premier League.
Basically, if somebody asked you to find a CB who excelled at passing out of the back and dominating aerial balls, Maguire is pretty much the best around. The reason he's going for £70m is because nobody else in Europe is as good as him at the things United require.
s you need, you should generally just pay up without delay.
If you want something, if you need it, then you have no choice but to accept the seller value. We need Maguire.
But thats OVER 48 hours away
If we sign him we make top 4 and if we sign an attacking player then we challenge for the Premier league.
Yes because we decide that’s his value or we decide to overpay.
Leicester could value him at £200m but that doesn’t make him worth £200m.
What’s weird is someone thinking the person selling something ‘sets’ the value. They set the cost.
Nothing weird about that post. Leicester hold all the cards here. What is the market value of Maguire in your opinion? I would bet that whatever it is we will pay significantly more should we buy him.
This is where things get mixed up.
Cause you see, he is also one of the highest in unsuccessful ccessful touches and in dispossessed per match even when you compare him to Smalling. His successful passing rate is also lower than Victor Lindelof let alone the likes of Laporte and VVD. The only metric where he really excel is long passes per game. Do you think that's what we need??
I think what we need is a defender, high defensive attributes is what we're looking for. Victor Lindelof is perfectly capable of carrying the ball forward and building play from the back and what we need is a powerful defender next to him. I don't think Long balls are worth 90 millions since we don't have a target man anymore as Lukaku is no longer a first choice CF.
Just an opinion.
Might be before.
No. The seller cost. If nobody thinks he’s worth £80m then he’s not worth £80m.
If we to buy him that transfer fee - whatever it will be - sets his market value at that moment in time. Its not complicated and should be pretty obvious.
What I or anyone else think he is worth is another thing, but that is an opinion, not a definition of market value.
For me, 60m plus 20m or so in add-ons would be reasonable.
But if we do end up paying 80m straight-up you cant argue against the fact that it would constitute market value at that moment.
Its whatever someone pays for him if a transfer is agreed. Before that its just speculation.
I totally agree on Smalling he gets a raw deal people jumping on the bandwagon. People have short memories two seasons back had the most premier league appearances when we had the second best defence in the league.
He is the most consistent and usual it's his partner that lets the side down often defending for both. He is the only one who can head a ball out of the lot of them.
Lindelof better on the ball has improved but still backs off far too much and gets bullied quite often. I would feel more confident on the pairing of Smalling and Maguire at the back nobody is out muscling them too. Set pieces would be unreal.
In the future adding a upgrade at left back who can defend and then for once we would have a impressive back line.
Nah, we're years of positive improvements from that. Look at how Liverpool and City were churning out win after win after win last season. We're miles off that sort of consistency yet.
Crumbs, they may as well put him up on e-bay with a reserve price of £85m or whatever. That’s a market. You either bid, and if under the reserve you will be told it’s not accepted. Then you decide wether to bid again or not. If nobody meets the reserve there’s no sale. If you meet the reserve price you’ve got a chance, unless somebody overbids. It’s not difficult, except in this instance we are almost certainly aware of what the reserve price is, unlike e-bay.
Agreed.
Well, aye, that’s the point. Either we decide that’s his value or we agree to overpay because we’re prepared to.
It’s possibly semantics, or a disagreement/misunderstanding of what value means.
The original poster stated what he thought Maguire was worth. What he thought we should be prepared to pay. His opinion is if it costs more than that it’s not worth it.
He isn’t saying we should be able to get him at that price. He’s saying if we can’t we shouldn’t buy him.
His value is whatever the minimum amount Leicester will accept for him. Plain and simple. Now the question is what do Manchester United value more - the £80 odd million that LC are asking for or having the player on our team.
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