It would not surprise me in the least if we bought another CB then not long afterwards Leicester sell Maguire to Citeh for 60mil because they know we are the only club that will pay well over the odds for him.
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Personally don't think we'll buy a defender if we don't buy Maguire, in a similar idiotic decision to last summer.
I understand the concept, but I would say it's more like selling your telly. The house is the club. They could easily buy a new tv if they receive the market value.
On another note, I'm not suggesting United should only pay 50m, more like 70.
Get him in and get it done. He will improve us and seems a good leader potential. Although occasionally an u14 defender would do better than our flakey lads (bar Lindelof who does seem a bit better than the rest).
It's just the fact that in a bit of an average centre back market, the pricepoint for Maguire is heavily inflated. Same as the striker front really - market is just a bit weak in terms of crop to chose from, it's either young talent or older heads, neither of which is ideal.
It's just the fact that in a bit of an average centre back market, the pricepoint for Maguire is heavily inflated. Same as the striker front really - market is just a bit weak in terms of crop to chose from, it's either young talent or older heads, neither of which is ideal.
Put in a transfer request then Harry. You’ll get your move by the end of next week
Just does't make sense. Last year Jose almost begged for a CB never got one, persisted with the mediocre CB we have, ended up being one of our worst seasons defensively.
This year again, we are struggling to sign one? even with the game yesterday, you saw how open we are at the back due to lack of quality.
This is going to go the same way as last Summer. We won't pay up and we'll have the same shit partering Linelof at the back.
I think we'll get him eventually thankfully, not all that worried.
Right, this market value shit is pissing me off so here's my analogy:
3yrs ago I bought a dog for £180 and now have the most awesome, loyal, loving, 5yr old Border Collie. The dog's market value is round about the £200 mark but I wouldn't consider selling him so if anyone asks, and some have, my stock answer is £1m.
It is completely my right to do this and is therefore up to the buyer to reach an acceptable compromise.
3yrs ago I bought a dog for £180 and now have the most awesome, loyal, loving, 5yr old Border Collie. The dog's market value is round about the £200 mark but I wouldn't consider selling him so if anyone asks, and some have, my stock answer is £1m.
It is completely my right to do this and is therefore up to the buyer to reach an acceptable compromise.
I don't think you do, we don't want to buy a new CB/TV or whatever you want to call it... when we have a perfectly fine CB as it is! So if you want to take him off us, it's got to be worth our while.
You'd be willing to sell your dog? Heartless
I don't think all 3 cases are directly comparable. The valuation United have placed on Pogba is because of a combination of his talent, his marketability and the fact United are not open at all to the idea of letting him go. With Lukaku the club are only trying to recoup what they spent on him 2 years ago despite the fact the market has inflated dramatically since then.
Leicester are clearly open to selling Maguire and making a tidy profit on him, United are reportedly willing to give them a 400% mark up on what they paid for him from Hull in 2017. But seeing as it's United Leicester have decided thats not enough and are trying to ream even more out of United. And thats fine it's every clubs right to do that if they choose. Other clubs have did it and tried to do it with United in recent years. But it's a two way street as Inter Milan are currently finding out. Leicester at some point will probably be interested in signing some players from United and i'm sure United will return the favour.
Also i have always thought smaller clubs or any club holding out for ever increasing record fees for some players is a false economy. As soon as you sell a player for a bucket load then other clubs further down the food chain will do the exact same thing when you come calling on them to sign a replacement. Costing more than it would have done if you had just sold the first player for a lower fee, basically you end up no better off really and further contribute to inflating the market in general.
Only makes sense when you look at it financially and not from a footballing perspective. Anyone with functioning eyes knows United needed a quality CB last summer. It was the ideal year to buy De Ligt or Maguire. We had Champions League. We hardly spent any money. And if we'd have just bought a CB we'd be in the CL again this season. But Woodward and the board didn't want to spend money. They wanted to prevent Manchester United from spending its own profits on players to improve Manchester United. Instead, the Glazers got a significant payment and United lose out on the CL. Now, United are going to lose money this year. But we again need a CB (as well as a RW, a central midfielder and a CF) but again, we can't spend our own money. We're wasting valuable time chasing one target at a time, and then we're going to end up signing nobody (or overpaying on Maguire up to 90m) I guarantee it.
Why would you think that?
I'll pay 450,000. Can we see a YouTube compilation?
There's plenty of logic in the signing.
He's one of the best defenders in the prem. He's a leader, good in the air and good on the ball.
He's perfect for what we need.
I wonder what the hold up is on this one? When the rumours first started to circulate, I was against it but the thought of going in to next season with Jones or Smalling next to Lindelof is a horrible thought. Just get it done Ed!
So many new Leicester fans on the Caf this summer!
Seems that way pal.
Too much fecking greed in the game, mate.
Loyalty bonus? How long has he been at Leicester? He’ll be getting a pretty big pay rise as it is, going to United. As for Leicester.. stop being silly. Football in 2019 eh? Where buying clubs have to pay a players agent fee for enabling the agent to wring out the last penny from them.
You talk like we're actively trying to sell him to make some money. You don't seem to understand where we are as a club and where we want to go. This isn't Burnley you are dealing with. It's a club with serious ambitions of cracking the top 6. They don't want to let any talent go, unless we think the offer is too good to turn down.
To talk like we should be thankful of a 400% markup is laughable. You just paid £50m for a lad with one decent season under his belt, who in the summer couldn't run in a straight line with the ball at his feet and most notable contribution to the U21's was scoring on own goal. You want him then you pay what we value him at. Once Hull take their 20%, once Maguire and his agent take their "loyalty fee", what's left over isn't going to be enough to buy a CB from Brighton FFS.
There was some talk of it either on here or on reddit, I was obviously taking it too seriously.
It's getting done, Leicester also have to get their replacement.
This is what it boils down to really. I can’t believe there are people who actually claim that Leicester are in the wrong in some way here, for demanding a large fee for a player they don’t want to sell.
Hopefully that be the end of this fella around here with that 'couldn't run in a straight line' comment
Except that's not what he said. He said offers were made, we can't control other teams putting in offers we don't deem acceptable.
I think some of you lot can't get your head around the fact you can no longer bully teams like you once did. The message from Rodgers was clear, you do not meet our valuation so Maguire stays a Leicester players. It's as simple as that.
Yep, the misery that is Jones and Smalling inflict upon me season after season, outweighs the fee.
True though if you watched the U21's.Hopefully that be the end of this fella around here with that 'couldn't run in a straight line' comment
I would argue that 20% over market value is well worth while. Maybe I'm wrong.
Lukaku got outscored by a 32 year old Vardy playing in one of the most defensive boring teams I've had the misfortune to watch (thanks Puel). So perhaps you overpaid for him and you're still overvaluing him.
The more this drags on, the more I feel Leicester are going to be even more reluctant to let him go.
If Ole really wants him then just pay the f****** money and get it over and done with Ed! We’ve got other areas that badly need to be addressed as well before the season starts.
If Ole really wants him then just pay the f****** money and get it over and done with Ed! We’ve got other areas that badly need to be addressed as well before the season starts.
Vardy is an excellent player, the only reason that he's not worth more is his age.
We live in a time that Morata after 2 diabolical seasons has just been sold for nearly 70m.
If the reports about Maguire being unhappy with Leicester are true then I don't think that Leicester hold all the cards there. They risk having an upset player because they decided to haggle for 15% of price. All we need is to leak interest in another decent CB to push them. They're confident right now because it went all quiet on any other CB and we seem desperate.
Apparently we have other options. Yeah ok.
I imagine the hold is Leicester agreeing a deal for a replacement. No way would they let their best defender go without one.
Lets have a recap of what seems to be fact, and not rumour:
1 We have offered 60+addons.
2 Leicester refused, don't want any addons.
3 Rodgers stated that Leicester have had offers from 2 clubs( presume City as other)
4 HM as of now, has not put in transfer request
It looks as if 1 of the following, needs to happen, for Harry to arrive
He either asks for a transfer or we pay £80m straight. If neither I don't think he is arriving.
1 We have offered 60+addons.
2 Leicester refused, don't want any addons.
3 Rodgers stated that Leicester have had offers from 2 clubs( presume City as other)
4 HM as of now, has not put in transfer request
It looks as if 1 of the following, needs to happen, for Harry to arrive
He either asks for a transfer or we pay £80m straight. If neither I don't think he is arriving.
Michu scored 18 goals in epl one time. better than Lukaku last season? What's the point ?
Jeez - the arrogance here.
Lukaku is a brilliant striker and was completely out of form due to us being shit. Nothing to do with his ability. He is being moved on because he doesn't fit Ole style. Play to his strength and he will score enough
I am to the point where I think if we dont get Maguire we wont get any, so lets just pay it and move on and hopefully we learn from it. without a Cb we wont get Champions League. So would you rather spend the extra £30m to get Champions League or miss out on it again?
You seem to be getting a tone from my post that isn't there mate. I said Leicester are open to the idea of selling him which they clearly are otherwise they would have just released a statement saying he isn't for sale, which they haven't done. Also no where have i said Leicester are actively trying to sell him.
Here's what we both said, we basically agree.
I also said Leicester are within their rights to ask for any price they want for him and holding to that. But as i said thats a two way street, as both my post and yours touch upon. The bigger the fee you receive for a player the more the next club are going to ask for when you look to replace that player.
Conveniently forgetting Mou had already bought 2 x CBs. his transfer record was abysmal, genuinely woeful, when he was here so I don't have any issues with the club not sanctioning another CB at that time.
Now we've sorted Rb and have some form of an RW in James, I think most important for our defensive stability is a WC DM, not CB. Can you imagine how easy we'll be to play through with Maguire/Lindelof/Matic as our defensive core, one through ball and a striker with pace is into acres of space and immediately 1vs1 with DDG.
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