Then we should go for this season's VVD, instead of getting ripped off for Maguire.
Are you telling me there is no other CBs out there who we could unearth that could improve us? Maguire is the only one who we could get? Really?
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Then we should go for this season's VVD, instead of getting ripped off for Maguire.
Are you telling me there is no other CBs out there who we could unearth that could improve us? Maguire is the only one who we could get? Really?
Is this reliable?
OK buddy
I was being pedantic, btw.
Sorry.
nah, all good. fecking around with people is part of the fun of these forums
This is exactly what Ole said.
“It doesn’t matter if they are English, Norwegian, French, Brazilian. You just want good players and good people. Quality and speed, of course, is a big thing in football nowadays. "
Ole didn't spoke of neither pace merchants nor forwards. Pace is indeed key in defence as well especially in modern football were strikers are relying more on pace and less on their physical attributes.
Said the same plenty of times, despite the ridiculous price it's a big improvement for our back line.
...Only slight problem is if Shaw is injured/injury prone again, or if Smalling gets the nod over Lindelof. On a technical level the 2019-20 defence you picked definitely go up a few gears in terms of playing out from the back.
So every signing has to have speed? Probably not eh.
Or are you suggesting he's either gone back on this, or is having the signing dictated to him?
Agree with every sentence.
I think many of you underestimate the importance of buying a local British lad. His profile fits our needs almost 100%, he’s part of the NT and his proven on almost every level. What more can we ask for?
Regarding other options they also comes with pros and cons. The foreign guys often needs time to adapt to culture and language. That’s a big part how fast a player can step up to expected level. Also not every talent is suited to play with a big club like United, we only have to go back to Lindelöf’s first season to be remembered about initial difficulties with coming to a new club with hefty expectations.
When all this is taking into account then we can properly judge the reported fee.
If Maguire can slot in as a starter and almost directly perform to expected level then this is worth many many millions. For example let’s say we buy KK from Italy and he needs half a season do adapt, then maybe that’s enough for us to be outside the top four race when we come to spring. Same with the de Ligt or any other young talent who where on our shopping list. Everything must be taking into account when deciding what’s a safe buy or not.
In my world Harry Maguire represents the most optimal buy we can do if we compare risk and reward. 60+20 or whatever we end up paying is good value if we compare to the other options.
Jones is still just 27.
As you said I can't see anyone having 11 Daniel James in the team however I can see a team who can field a first team of which none of them is particularly slow. Honestly, I don't know how to answer your question. Either he's clueless at times or the club might sign players he doesn't want or we're really scrapping the very bottom of Ole's wish list.
This is just fantasy though, as you know Andersen and Milenkovic you mentioned above, are not top quality defenders and the latter had 50m euro on his head. It sounds like we've gone Koula (priced out) - De Ligt (rejected us) - Maguire (priced out - looks like we might return though) - Milenkovic (enquiry again). You can't negotiate 7 deals and just get Ole to pick what he thinks the best candidate is. Also, AWB was never going to go for 35m + add ons. That is pretty much why it couldn't be done.
I dont know where you think these bargain players are coming from? Has anyone, aiming for the top 4, bought a defender in the last 3 seasons for less than 40m? Genuine question.
given his injuries he doesn't play much past 30, shame, he was a real talent at one point
Not for themselves. I'm 90% sure that figure is mostly loans. IIRC they only started taking money out when we listed on the NYSE and if they had taken out that much the stockholders would have been concerned.
Pretty much agree with this. I think we very much missed out with VVD, or should I say we were very inept, but the next best thing would be Maguire.
Also his character is the type we need. Apparently, since debuting with Sheffield United, to Hull and then onto Leicester, he's pretty much been that teams player of the year. Shows the kind of character he is.
Are any credible outlets reporting about a deal being agreed for Maguire? Likes of BBC, The Guardian and F365 have nothing at all up about it.
Let's hope it was just Ole speaking in general, and Maguire was always top priority, for his other strengths.
The full backs are both fast (although you wouldn't believe it for that goal v Cardiff last season from Shaw), and Smalling next to Maguire would be complimentary where needed.
In games at home to lowly teams there to defend, having two ball playing centre backs, with Lindelöf in there could be genius.
We will see!
A very very old 27 though.
You can't see him turning out mid to late 30s.
Although in one way, he has low miles on the clock!!
all the reports today stem from the article posted by The Sun
Nope. The entire rumour came from someones podcast.
There isnt a single team in the world who has 11 quick players - the problem is when the majority of the team lacks it. But now he has signed 2 players who arguably are the quickest in our club - and one player who is average.
As for talented defenders - we have AWB and Shaw who could be our defenders for 8-9 years. We have Lindelof who is 25 and Tuanzebe who is 21...we don't need 2 more talented defenders. We need one leader and experienced player at the back.
As for survival of the fittest - with the minor problem of it being poor for finances. What difference does it make to you and me if Rojo and Darmian are sold or at the club and not playing ? Absolutely nothing. OGS will be ruthless with who plays - but he can't control if the board can get rid of them. If they are not good enough he will replace them with someone better - but if the result is that they are sold, or at the club and not playing is not something he can do anything about. Being ruthless for a manager is not playing a player.
I'd be amazed if Jones doesn't fall to his death trying to adjust his satellite dish during a storm before he's 30. He just seems the type.
SIMON said it's true.
Whoever that is
Whoever that is
I've been out all day and only reading this stuff now. How reliable are the reports of us signing him?
Tier 1 ITK on Reddit and a sun article.
Ah, nothing then.
Not the right Simon though
I dont know where you have got that from. Im not saying that at all.
I'm saying why are people comparing apples and pears, i.e. this window with previous windows.
The ITK has a proven record. Called James and AWB before they were officially announced. Most likely has a friend in the marketing department at United. He's legit.
when Simon says something people do it
In the midst of all the relentless misery and finger-gnashing lamentations that this thread has continued to be, this comment is a beacon of light.
True Jimmy as ITK’s at our end are saying it’s a rubbish story and Harry’s not said anything with regards to wanting to leave
Maguire isn't average in terms of pace, he's slow. There's no beating around the bush on that one.
As said, if we need someone to provide leadership despite having Rojo, Smalling and Jones then why the hell are we keeping the latter? At their age they should be the ones leading the defence. So we either keep them (or 1 of them) and surround them with young players else we sell them up and bring the experience we need. A central defence made up of Lindelof, Andersen, Smalling, Tuanzebe is quite competitive especially with Milenkovic and AWB fighting for the RB spot and Dalot and Shaw fighting for the LB spot.
Finally not selling deadwood gives the impression that one can afford not carrying his weight at United and still remain here and on huge salaries. That's never a good sign at a top club.
He was always the brightest out of the Chipmunks
Good news for sure! He reminds me a lot of Pallister - and I rate Gary among the best to have ever played in our defense. With him and Wan Bissaka we're already twice the team we were last year defensively and they both have qualities that will help our domination further up the pitch as well. 80 millions though... That made my ballsack shrink then throb painfully for a bit I must admitbut he's professional and ambitious plus already a proven success - also we get him in his prime - so there's all that. Oh well it's not my money - so I'm just looking forward to seeing him perform
Why does the price bother anyone? What difference does it make to us as fans? I get when someone is on a big wage and not performing but I don't get complaints about a new signings fee
Indeed and if it does matter so much why are those same people not in hysterics that Leicester's replacement is 45m Lewis Dunk? I mean come on, Maguire's a bargain isn't he in a market where Dunk is moving for that kind of money. If it's true that we've got him for 60m + 20m then I see that as a job well done tbh as 60m outright seems fair and the extra 20m will be worth it if he's contributed to the success that triggers those addons
Rumors were that City also wants him... hopefully this will turn out better than Sanchez and Fred.
Anyone we sign could be more if the same. Delight could roll up here and bomb big time, get injured, not fit in, not adjust to the premiership. The same could be said for any player in any position.
This place is full of people who just like to moan. Spend too much... moan, don’t spend enough... moan, buy this player instead of that player moan, dear god people give it a rest.
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Oh defiantly has to be proven, I just feel it would work
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