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Visionary. Misunderstood genius...



this tweet was posted about 4 times already, who cares. Moyes wouldnt have signed him anyway. Moyes tracks about 1000 players and doesnt have a scooby doo idea on who to actually go for. Had Dithering Dave still miraculously been here he would probably still tracking his progress wondering if he should should stick or twist like every other transfer
 
80m on Maguire is fecking crazy. I would have preferred to distribute the risk on 2 players (Joachim Andersen and Milenkovic). Having said that that would have required an efficient and transfer savvy club who can complete those transfer deals smoothly while reacting quickly to sell them in case they fail to make an impact. With those in the bag we could have afforded selling Jones and Rojo recouping a big chunk of the fees spent in the process. Unfortunately that is something we're not. I also understand the criteria of such huge fee as well. Maguire is on a long term contract, Leicester doesn't want to sell, there aren't many players queuing to join us and lets face it we suck in negotiating. Its only fair under such circumstances for Leicester to take us to the cleaners.

We all know Maguire's strengths and weaknesses. He's very physical, he's strong in air and he's decent with his feet. Defensive wise he's solid although hardly WC while his lack of pace is our biggest concern. I think that this squad has that weakness covered. AWB, Smalling and Shaw are blessed with decent pace. Some might say that you don't spend 80m on a CB to then have to cover for his weaknesses. I agree on that but that's were we are at the moment. Hopefully Maguire would close the CB's issue chapter for at least half a decade.

Finally I learnt to take Ole's interviews with a pinch of salt. He promised the survival of the fittest and here we are with barely anyone leaving the club. He also said that pace and quality are key assets for a player to have for him to succeed with United and we're now buying Maguire. I guess he says exactly the contrary of what he's thinking.

We have AWB who is 21, Shaw who is 24, we could possibly have VNL who is 25 - and could easily start against Chelsea with McTominay, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, James and have an average age of 23-24 years. And you want to add 2 more 21 year olds ? Maguire has played over 300 matches and has 20 matches for England - he adds a bit of badly needed experience and leadership. For someone who is so consistently negative to United, it is puzzling that you fail to value this in a side. Andersen is 23 and has played 39 matches at a high level and is yet to make his debut for Denmark. While Milenkovic has played about 50 matches at a high level, in a really poor Italian club. Will they be better than Maguire ? They might - but at this moment in time they are at least 1 level behind him.

Last year we were below average in clearing crosses - guess who the best player was! So not only does he add leadership, he adds a lot of physical presence and aerial ability which we lack. In addition to this he should be able to add some threat at our set-pieces.

Why should you take Ole's interviews with a pinch of salt ? He doesn't control who leaves the club - only who plays. And rest assured, if we sign Maguire in addition AWB - I can promise there wont be a lot of matches for Rojo and Darmian. There will be some bids and they will leave eventually, but Solskjaer has no Power over this. He can tell Woodward - him and him wont be needed. But that is all he can do.

And of course pace and quality is important - did you miss that we signed AWB and Dan James ? And granted Maguire isn't the quickest, but would you seriously say he isn't quality ? Not world-class but certainly top 5-6 in the Premier League.
 
this tweet was posted about 4 times already, who cares. Moyes wouldnt have signed him anyway. Moyes tracks about 1000 players and doesnt have a scooby doo idea on who to actually go for. Had Dithering Dave still miraculously been here he would probably still tracking his progress wondering if he should should stick or twist like every other transfer

Exactly. It's like the Wenger gag, where he "could" have had the best 11 of all time in his team.

Moyes being interested but not signing him doesn't make him a genius. It makes him a clown!
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...wing-no-signs-forcing-move-manchester-united/

Leicester City are confident that Harry Maguire will be committed to the club next season should Manchester United, or any other interested party fail to reach the King Power valuation on the England international of more than £75 million.

The 26-year-old has trained well during the club’s first pre-season trip in France and has not shown any sign that he would try to force a move out of the club by downing tools. He is expected to be part of the matchday squad for a friendly against Scunthorpe United at Glanford Park on Tuesday, and there has been no hint of him being disruptive among team-mates.

The current impasse is that United see the player as being worth between £50 million and £60 million – a valuation that Leicester feel is much too low especially given the £50 million fee that was paid by Old Trafford for the relatively inexperienced Aaron Wan-Bissaka. United know that they have to get the deal at a level of more than £75 million to get Leicester to the negotiating table but so far have chosen not go as high as that.

It is understood that Maguire would like a move to United, or Manchester City were they to come back into the bidding, but that he understands his club’s position and would not be a thorn in the side of Leicester were it not to happen. It simply requires United, or City, to improve their offer and that will be the defining factor - regardless of the enthusiasm of third parties to make the move happen.

Maguire signed a new deal with Leicester last season after the World Cup finals and has four years left to run on his current deal. He is playing a full part in Leicester’s pre-season programme which ramps up again this week with an intensive workload as well as Tuesday’s game and a second against Cheltenham Town on Saturday.

One player who could be on his way out of Old Trafford is Romelu Lukaku, who said after United’s 2-0 win over Perth Glory at the Optus Stadium on Saturday that he expected his future to become clearer during the course of this week. Inter Milan are eager to sign Lukaku after Antonio Conte, the former Chelsea manager, identified the Belgium striker as his primary transfer target and the Italian club’s chief executive, Beppe Marotta, believes a deal could be struck. “Lukaku? Yes, I am optimistic about everything,” he said.

United are due to face Inter in Singapore on Saturday but Lukaku is waiting to see if there is progress before then. Inter hope to sell Mauro Icardi to Juventus to free up cash to fund a deal. Icardi left Inter’s training camp in Lugano over the weekend in order to return to Milan and will not travel with the squad on their tour of Asia. United want to make a profit on Lukaku and are likely to demand around £90 million.
 
2018-19: Young - Lindelöf - Smalling - Shaw
2019-20: Wan-Bissaka - Lindelöf - Maguire - Shaw

that's the key for me. People will moan about everything, but that back four is objectively a lot better than last year's and that's what matters at the end of the day.
Great post.

Hope we get this one over the line.
 
We have AWB who is 21, Shaw who is 24, we could possibly have VNL who is 25 - and could easily start against Chelsea with McTominay, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, James and have an average age of 23-24 years. And you want to add 2 more 21 year olds ? Maguire has played over 300 matches and has 20 matches for England - he adds a bit of badly needed experience and leadership. For someone who is so consistently negative to United, it is puzzling that you fail to value this in a side. Andersen is 23 and has played 39 matches at a high level and is yet to make his debut for Denmark. While Milenkovic has played about 50 matches at a high level, in a really poor Italian club. Will they be better than Maguire ? They might - but at this moment in time they are at least 1 level behind him.

Last year we were below average in clearing crosses - guess who the best player was! So not only does he add leadership, he adds a lot of physical presence and aerial ability which we lack. In addition to this he should be able to add some threat at our set-pieces.

Why should you take Ole's interviews with a pinch of salt ? He doesn't control who leaves the club - only who plays. And rest assured, if we sign Maguire in addition AWB - I can promise there wont be a lot of matches for Rojo and Darmian. There will be some bids and they will leave eventually, but Solskjaer has no Power over this. He can tell Woodward - him and him wont be needed. But that is all he can do.

And of course pace and quality is important - did you miss that we signed AWB and Dan James ? And granted Maguire isn't the quickest, but would you seriously say he isn't quality ? Not world-class but certainly top 5-6 in the Premier League.

Sorry, VNL is one shortened job I didn't get.
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...wing-no-signs-forcing-move-manchester-united/

Leicester City are confident that Harry Maguire will be committed to the club next season should Manchester United, or any other interested party fail to reach the King Power valuation on the England international of more than £75 million.

The 26-year-old has trained well during the club’s first pre-season trip in France and has not shown any sign that he would try to force a move out of the club by downing tools. He is expected to be part of the matchday squad for a friendly against Scunthorpe United at Glanford Park on Tuesday, and there has been no hint of him being disruptive among team-mates.

The current impasse is that United see the player as being worth between £50 million and £60 million – a valuation that Leicester feel is much too low especially given the £50 million fee that was paid by Old Trafford for the relatively inexperienced Aaron Wan-Bissaka. United know that they have to get the deal at a level of more than £75 million to get Leicester to the negotiating table but so far have chosen not go as high as that.

It is understood that Maguire would like a move to United, or Manchester City were they to come back into the bidding, but that he understands his club’s position and would not be a thorn in the side of Leicester were it not to happen. It simply requires United, or City, to improve their offer and that will be the defining factor - regardless of the enthusiasm of third parties to make the move happen.

Maguire signed a new deal with Leicester last season after the World Cup finals and has four years left to run on his current deal. He is playing a full part in Leicester’s pre-season programme which ramps up again this week with an intensive workload as well as Tuesday’s game and a second against Cheltenham Town on Saturday.

One player who could be on his way out of Old Trafford is Romelu Lukaku, who said after United’s 2-0 win over Perth Glory at the Optus Stadium on Saturday that he expected his future to become clearer during the course of this week. Inter Milan are eager to sign Lukaku after Antonio Conte, the former Chelsea manager, identified the Belgium striker as his primary transfer target and the Italian club’s chief executive, Beppe Marotta, believes a deal could be struck. “Lukaku? Yes, I am optimistic about everything,” he said.

United are due to face Inter in Singapore on Saturday but Lukaku is waiting to see if there is progress before then. Inter hope to sell Mauro Icardi to Juventus to free up cash to fund a deal. Icardi left Inter’s training camp in Lugano over the weekend in order to return to Milan and will not travel with the squad on their tour of Asia. United want to make a profit on Lukaku and are likely to demand around £90 million.

You'll still be digging out links when he's played his first game for us.
 
You'll still be digging out links when he's played his first game for us.
hardly digging out, its the Telegraph not some obscure website and one of the writers is as ITK at Leicester as it gets, sorry if its not news you want to read
 
If he signs for the money mentioned, it's going to be off set a bit by, selling lukaku.? That will still leave us a striker down, unless oles is going to push Greenwood up? And play Martial more central?

Hope we get Maguire. We have a very good back 4 then. Lindelof, Maguire, Shaw, AWB. Not bad
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...wing-no-signs-forcing-move-manchester-united/

Leicester City are confident that Harry Maguire will be committed to the club next season should Manchester United, or any other interested party fail to reach the King Power valuation on the England international of more than £75 million.

The 26-year-old has trained well during the club’s first pre-season trip in France and has not shown any sign that he would try to force a move out of the club by downing tools. He is expected to be part of the matchday squad for a friendly against Scunthorpe United at Glanford Park on Tuesday, and there has been no hint of him being disruptive among team-mates.

The current impasse is that United see the player as being worth between £50 million and £60 million – a valuation that Leicester feel is much too low especially given the £50 million fee that was paid by Old Trafford for the relatively inexperienced Aaron Wan-Bissaka. United know that they have to get the deal at a level of more than £75 million to get Leicester to the negotiating table but so far have chosen not go as high as that.

It is understood that Maguire would like a move to United, or Manchester City were they to come back into the bidding, but that he understands his club’s position and would not be a thorn in the side of Leicester were it not to happen. It simply requires United, or City, to improve their offer and that will be the defining factor - regardless of the enthusiasm of third parties to make the move happen.

Maguire signed a new deal with Leicester last season after the World Cup finals and has four years left to run on his current deal. He is playing a full part in Leicester’s pre-season programme which ramps up again this week with an intensive workload as well as Tuesday’s game and a second against Cheltenham Town on Saturday.

One player who could be on his way out of Old Trafford is Romelu Lukaku, who said after United’s 2-0 win over Perth Glory at the Optus Stadium on Saturday that he expected his future to become clearer during the course of this week. Inter Milan are eager to sign Lukaku after Antonio Conte, the former Chelsea manager, identified the Belgium striker as his primary transfer target and the Italian club’s chief executive, Beppe Marotta, believes a deal could be struck. “Lukaku? Yes, I am optimistic about everything,” he said.

United are due to face Inter in Singapore on Saturday but Lukaku is waiting to see if there is progress before then. Inter hope to sell Mauro Icardi to Juventus to free up cash to fund a deal. Icardi left Inter’s training camp in Lugano over the weekend in order to return to Milan and will not travel with the squad on their tour of Asia. United want to make a profit on Lukaku and are likely to demand around £90 million.
Leicester also using the AWB fee to drive up the price. Can't say I blame them mind..
 
Okay I gotcha. I still disagree even that an £80M (£60M + addons) is crazy because when considering the market factors of increasingly inflated prices (thank you oil clubs), Premier League teams having less incentive to sell, a Leicester team that has big goals to accomplish and has tasted success already, and the fact that clubs know United are desperate to buy, then the fee actually makes plenty of sense. Years as recent as 2016 and 2017 are already ancient in terms of high prices. We can't compare to those times.

My point is this. Ideally United have a WC negotiation team and scouts who had already came out with a list of 7 top quality defenders (one of which may or may not be Maguire) for Ole to choose from who would sign for us on realistic fees. Meanwhile Bailly (20m), Rojo (20m) and Darmian (14m) had already been sold boosted our transfer kitty significantly. At this point AWB had already been signed for 35m + addons while Leicester is sweating to get an extra 10m for Maguire. The latter is desperate to join us and since he (as AWB before him) knows that United might easily switch targets he is pushing his club hard so they would sell him. Leicester are between a rock and a hard place. One one hand they don't want to sell unless they get a ridiculous fee and on the other hand they don't want to keep an unhappy player. Irrespective of what THEY choose, United can easily and positively react to it by switching to other targets.

Unfortunately we don't have that. United's negotiating team is a joke and so are our scouts who seem to struggle to find adequate alternatives for Ole to consider. Under such circumstances we have no choice but to buy Maguire on crazy money.
 
Lad, he'll be wearing red in August.
Get over it.
if he leaves he leaves, its you lot getting defensive not me I simply posted an article co written by someone extremely reliable about Leicester City's transfers, the only thing I ask of players who want to leave is be professional and by all accounts Harry is the consummate professional
 
I think this makes us pretty good at the back. When Maguire's pace can be exploited then smalling can step in to partner him. When a passing game is needed play him with Lindelof and of we wanna bully the opposition or were worried about their strength then Tuanzabe comes in. If he's injured then Lindelof and Tuanzabe is still a decent pairing. AWB gives us a lot of protection anyway with the way he defends like a savage. If this goes through I'm more than happy. Just get Bruno in and were sorted for this year at least
 
I know we're not.

I'm saying if we pay 80m then he becomes an 80m player.

His worth becomes 80m.

That’s not what the implication is when fans are discussing how much a player is worth, and pretending it is, is being disingenuous/obtuse. And if you were to take this line of reasoning to most other football discussions you’d essentially eliminate the need/purpose of forums like this one.
 
DDG
AWB - Lindelöf - Maguire - Shaw

Romero
Dalot - * - Smalling - #

* anyone of Rojo, Jones or Bailly who is in best shape, or Tuanzebe if the club finally loses patience.

# desperately need a new backup from next summer, considering Shaw is so injury prone, and Young will go on a free.

Much better position to be in. Maguire and AWB especially will be great additions to our defense. Get in a young alternative to Shaw that can develop and we should be OK at the back.
The club needs to turn focus from defense now and to defensive midfield & attack (especially right-wing).
 
If he made the mistakes he made at Leicester last season, at United, nobody would think he's worth near £80 million
 
I think this makes us pretty good at the back. When Maguire's pace can be exploited then smalling can step in to partner him. When a passing game is needed play him with Lindelof and of we wanna bully the opposition or were worried about their strength then Tuanzabe comes in. If he's injured then Lindelof and Tuanzabe is still a decent pairing. AWB gives us a lot of protection anyway with the way he defends like a savage. If this goes through I'm more than happy. Just get Bruno in and were sorted for this year at least

Lindelöf and Tuanzebe is a decent pairing?

I think that still has everything to prove!
 
That’s not what the implication is when fans are discussing how much a player is worth, and pretending it is, is being disingenuous/obtuse. And if you were to take this line of reasoning to most other football discussions you’d essentially eliminate the need/purpose of forums like this one.
OK buddy :)

I was being pedantic, btw.

Sorry.
 
We have AWB who is 21, Shaw who is 24, we could possibly have VNL who is 25 - and could easily start against Chelsea with McTominay, Pogba, Rashford, Martial, James and have an average age of 23-24 years. And you want to add 2 more 21 year olds ? Maguire has played over 300 matches and has 20 matches for England - he adds a bit of badly needed experience and leadership. For someone who is so consistently negative to United, it is puzzling that you fail to value this in a side. Andersen is 23 and has played 39 matches at a high level and is yet to make his debut for Denmark. While Milenkovic has played about 50 matches at a high level, in a really poor Italian club. Will they be better than Maguire ? They might - but at this moment in time they are at least 1 level behind him.

Last year we were below average in clearing crosses - guess who the best player was! So not only does he add leadership, he adds a lot of physical presence and aerial ability which we lack. In addition to this he should be able to add some threat at our set-pieces.

Why should you take Ole's interviews with a pinch of salt ? He doesn't control who leaves the club - only who plays. And rest assured, if we sign Maguire in addition AWB - I can promise there wont be a lot of matches for Rojo and Darmian. There will be some bids and they will leave eventually, but Solskjaer has no Power over this. He can tell Woodward - him and him wont be needed. But that is all he can do.

And of course pace and quality is important - did you miss that we signed AWB and Dan James ? And granted Maguire isn't the quickest, but would you seriously say he isn't quality ? Not world-class but certainly top 5-6 in the Premier League.

Experience is important but there again we've already got that in Rojo, Smalling and Jones. If these players can't provide experience at their age then why the feck we're keeping them? Therefore we either sell those up and then replace them with someone with experience + 1 very promising defender else we assume they got the experience we need and aim for younger players on realistic fees. Regarding Ole, I do understand that he's got no power on the club's incompetence. There again why did he mentioned pace as a key asset to succeed with Manchester United when he had Maguire on his mind? Why did he talked about survival of the fittest when he knew that our incompetent board aren't able to sell the players he want out?
 
I don't think we are that bad at transfer fees. We've had some bad ones, but also some good ones. Bailly and Dalot were reasonably priced punts. Zlatan was a good signing overall. Fred at the moment looks like a terrible signing given the fee. I think our problem is wages. You are right that our wage structure is now a joke, but fortunately, its still 50% of our revenue or whatever, so apparently that is still considered healthy..

I think the big issue is our negotiating skills. That's quite evident in terms of fees paid, salaries paid and our inability to get rid of players for realistic fees.
 
Experience is important but there again we've already got that in Rojo, Smalling and Jones. If these players can't provide experience at their age then why the feck we're keeping them? Therefore we either sell those up and then replace them with someone with experience + 1 very promising defender else we assume they got the experience we need and aim for younger players on realistic fees. Regarding Ole, I do understand that he's got no power on the club's incompetence. There again why did he mentioned pace as a key asset to succeed with Manchester United when he had Maguire on his mind? Why did he talked about survival of the fittest when he knew that our incompetent board aren't able to sell the players he want out?

No team have 11 pace merchants. He clearly meant other positions, mostly in the attacking domain. Our attack has been dreadful and not functioning for ages.
 
What? They either pay what we want, or he stays. There's nothing 'naive' about our negotiations.

And what exactly would we achieve with that? He will be an unhappy player on huge salary that the manager doesn't want. Let me repeat what I said, NO ONE WANTS LUKAKU. 70M is a good deal for a player no one wants. I can understand that the club want to wait this out maybe they can get a couple of more millions in. However if we end up with Lukaku still being here then this would be yet another clusterfeck of Darmian's proportions
 
Well done for chipping together and buying Harry, caf. Must have taken all your pocket money to pull this one off.
 
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