Harry Maguire (Out): Chelsea eyeing a shock swoop for Harry Maguire | Utd say not for sale

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Sir Erik ten Hag said:
We thought Van Gaal was ballsy. We thought Mourinho was ballsy. Hell, we even thought Rangnick was ballsy because he didn't have the normal pressure of a permanent manager. So we cannot just assume it the way we want.
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No we can’t, you’re right, I’m just saying what I think.
 
The situation is awkward because of his captaincy and the 80m, but if we could man up on using Maguire in a rotation behind Varane/Martinez he’d be a very decent third or fourth option, just ahead of Jones.

I assume we will offload Bailly. Btw, what ever happened to Tuanzebe?
 
I can't believe anyone who wants to keep him. The guy is fecking shit and I'd happily take Pulisic simply if it means getting rid of this idiot from the club. I've seen so many slag off Anderson and Cleverley but this guy is 1% of the player they are and is our captain. Nothing but dead weight he is.
 
lex talionis said:
The situation is awkward because of his captaincy and the 80m, but if we could man up on using Maguire in a rotation behind Varane/Martinez he’d be a very decent third or fourth option, just ahead of Jones.

I assume we will offload Bailly. Btw, what ever happened to Tuanzebe?
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He doesn't suit high line. His passing is erratic at best and crumbles under pressure. I'd rather get a "lesser" player that fits the style we want to play rather than keep Maguire.

There should be a massive clearance to be done with this squad and as soon as someone (ETH) starts doing it people get nostalgic about it, which is mind boggling.
 
So..is There any truth in this news?
 
Every player in the squad is replaceable and for the right price is up for sale.

For Slabhead any enquires should be starting around 50-60 million.
 
Will sell him for €50m plus.

Varane, Martinez, Lindelof and Tuanzebe. Try to sign up Timber early next summer.
 
Signing Casemiro and possibly Antony, Maguire and McTominay attracting interest, what is going on with this club why didn't it do this two months ago.
 
Newtonius said:
Signing Casemiro and possibly Antony, Maguire and McTominay attracting interest, what is going on with this club why didn't it do this two months ago.
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The ownership of the club wasn't under threat 2 months ago.
 
Enigma_87 said:
He doesn't suit high line. His passing is erratic at best and crumbles under pressure. I'd rather get a "lesser" player that fits the style we want to play rather than keep Maguire.

There should be a massive clearance to be done with this squad and as soon as someone (ETH) starts doing it people get nostalgic about it, which is mind boggling.
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Maguire has been great for bringing the ball out and passing. Before Greece that is.

He’s in a deep pit of poor form and will probably never make it out of there. The thing that annoys me is people were criticising him when he was playing great. Those same people now say “told you so” as if they’re some kind of insightful genius but the fact he’s poor now doesn’t somehow prove he was poor back then (he wasn’t, he was one of the best).

As to your other point, it’s probably true that he’s not suited to playing a high line. Tony Adams wasn’t much more mobile and he had no problem with it but times have changed.
 
Tallis said:
Will sell him for €50m plus.

Varane, Martinez, Lindelof and Tuanzebe. Try to sign up Timber early next summer.
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A guy who can't play more than 6 in a row, a short slow guy adjusting to the league, a guy most of the forum have whinged about for 2 years and a young guy who makes horrible mistakes.
Yep, sounds plenty there.
 
OrcaFat said:
Maguire has been great for bringing the ball out and passing. Before Greece that is.

He’s in a deep pit of poor form and will probably never make it out of there. The thing that annoys me is people were criticising him when he was playing great. Those same people now say “told you so” as if they’re some kind of insightful genius but the fact he’s poor now doesn’t somehow prove he was poor back then (he wasn’t, he was one of the best).

As to your other point, it’s probably true that he’s not suited to playing a high line. Tony Adams wasn’t much more mobile and he had no problem with it but times have changed.
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Times have changed and teams like Brighton and Brentford apply pressure high up nowadays compared to when Adams played and many teams succumbing to pressure and inviting the opposition to their own half.

Maguire was never suited for a high line, been saying it all along ever since we were interested in him and we used to play differently(Oleball) to what ETH would want us to play, which makes him even worse fit.

Yes he had good games for us, but is an ill fit for what we would want to become as a team. On top of that his confidence is shattered and he's older making him less athletic than couple of years ago (not that it makes much difference mind given his style).
 
We absolutely should sell Maguire if we can. It will be our best way to get a large chunk of money back for him. He has been a bad signing and I just don't think he will ever be a great fit at Man Utd. Now Man Utd being Man Utd will probably never sell him.
 
He’s slow and indecisive. When he does decide it’s like he’s half asleep and often gives a hospital pass. It’s like having a zombie as captain. There‘s no wonder the team are uninspired. He could send a coke head to sleep.
 
El Presidente said:
To be fair to Maguire, a lot of this is self-inflicted. His media and off-pitch demeanour are just as damaging as his tragic performances. With him, you can clearly see an entitlement and a refusal to own your own mistakes. The fact that he's a captain obviously amplifies all of that.
At the end of the day, the fans just don't want to see their team led by guy who has clearly crumbled under the pressure and is at the point of no return.

The biggest favour that the manager can do to him is to take away the armband and take away some of the focus on him. He will still be the 80m flop, but at least he won't be expected to be the guy that has to apologise after every shameful loss. Nevermind that it will be far easier to rightfully drop him.
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Aside from the embarrassing celebration of a goal for England I've not seen this. What are you basing it on? And how do you know he's crumbling under pressure rather than being one of many who's suffering due to wider issues at the club?

Overall, he's not even been that big a flop. He's had one really poor season in three at a time when the whole squad was shocking. He doesn't suit playing in a high like but he was largely good playing deeper under Ole. That, again, reflects more on the club's lack of overarching vision. We sign players for each manager and they become redundant when a manager with different ideas come in.

Either way, United fans joining the pile on are part of the problem.
 
His weaknesses are more protected in a back 3, good move for all.
 
luke511 said:
His weaknesses are more protected in a back 3, good move for all.
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Playing in a back 3 doesn’t miraculously make you a great footballer, though. He’s still poor on the ball and hesitates too much when put under pressure.

As we saw against Spurs last weekend and as us Chelsea supporters who watch us every match under a Tuchel know, he likes his right sided and left sided CB’s to be ball players who can carry the ball forward comfortably. Do a bit of dribbling and starting attacking moves. It was a staple of Rüdiger’s game when he was here.They also spend a large amount of time camped on the halfway line whilst we’re dominating possession.

I just cannot picture Harry Maguire doing these things effectively.
 
Sandikan said:
A guy who can't play more than 6 in a row, a short slow guy adjusting to the league, a guy most of the forum have whinged about for 2 years and a young guy who makes horrible mistakes.
Yep, sounds plenty there.
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And a Tall slow guy who makes terrible mistakes and ensures we will never be successful at the new managers tactics. Yes, there are many problems but not sure if Maguire is solving any of them.
 
Enigma_87 said:
Times have changed and teams like Brighton and Brentford apply pressure high up nowadays compared to when Adams played and many teams succumbing to pressure and inviting the opposition to their own half.

Maguire was never suited for a high line, been saying it all along ever since we were interested in him and we used to play differently(Oleball) to what ETH would want us to play, which makes him even worse fit.

Yes he had good games for us, but is an ill fit for what we would want to become as a team. On top of that his confidence is shattered and he's older making him less athletic than couple of years ago (not that it makes much difference mind given his style).
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100%. Good post.
 
Orc said:
Playing in a back 3 doesn’t miraculously make you a great footballer, though. He’s still poor on the ball and hesitates too much when put under pressure.

As we saw against Spurs last weekend and as us Chelsea supporters who watch us every match under a Tuchel know, he likes his right sided and left sided CB’s to be ball players who can carry the ball forward comfortably. Do a bit of dribbling and starting attacking moves. It was a staple of Rüdiger’s game when he was here.They also spend a large amount of time camped on the halfway line whilst we’re dominating possession.

I just cannot picture Harry Maguire doing these things effectively.
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Yeah the cons definitely outweigh the pros, his only real strengths is heading and long passing really.. I guess the move is good for us, Maguire, maybe not you :lol:
 
Welp, you guys apparently said “not for sale”, that’s good enough for me.

Move along Todd, don’t be rude. No means no.
 
Orc said:
Playing in a back 3 doesn’t miraculously make you a great footballer, though. He’s still poor on the ball and hesitates too much when put under pressure.

As we saw against Spurs last weekend and as us Chelsea supporters who watch us every match under a Tuchel know, he likes his right sided and left sided CB’s to be ball players who can carry the ball forward comfortably. Do a bit of dribbling and starting attacking moves. It was a staple of Rüdiger’s game when he was here.They also spend a large amount of time camped on the halfway line whilst we’re dominating possession.

I just cannot picture Harry Maguire doing these things effectively.
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Maguire did this well at Leicester, he's not necessarily a good passer but in his first season he broke the ball from defence to midfield quite well from what I remember. Maguire is undoubtedly a completely different player in a back three because the responsibility of the role differentiates from a traditional back four. Funnily enough I heard many Chelsea fans utter the same sentiment that Rudiger was hopeless in a back four which is evident with what German fans say.

It's funny Rudiger supposedly hopeless for Germany due to the tactical system but good domestically because of the system at Chelsea. You've got Maguire essentially in reverse below average domestically but far more robust for his national side.
 
Maguire would do well in a side that‘s all about defending, keeping things tight, and playing for low scoring 1-0’s and the like.

Basically a classic Mourinho side.
 
United say he's not for sale :lol:

Maguire and Rashford. Our two precious gems
 
Tallis said:
And a Tall slow guy who makes terrible mistakes and ensures we will never be successful at the new managers tactics. Yes, there are many problems but not sure if Maguire is solving any of them.
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He can head it out at set pieces.
That's a huge miss the amount we concede.

Imagine having Lindelof and Martinez, with no McTom either at set pieces.
That's scary.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
United say he's not for sale :lol:

Maguire and Rashford. Our two precious gems
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Meanwhile City and Liverpool dutifully letting go of the likes of Sterling and Mane.

I hoped the reluctance to keep the club fresh was a Woodward thing. But apparently it's much more ingrained nonsense n
 
He is shit but I would like to see him play in a team with a genuine decent DM.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
United say he's not for sale :lol:

Maguire and Rashford. Our two precious gems
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Because ETH loves him more than his own 55mn signing. Named him as his captain and pulled off his 55mn signing when things get tough. Great trust by manager everyone easily able to see.
 
Maguire was a good option for where we were 3 years ago. ETH has a different approach and there’s no shame in Maguire moving on. No player lasts forever; his time with United should be at an end. No worries Maguire, thanks for trying, good luck with your next club.
 
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