Harry Maguire (Out): Chelsea eyeing a shock swoop for Harry Maguire | Utd say not for sale

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Andycoleno9 said:
Look, we hit jackpot with this offer. We have a perfect chance to get some money back for a flop. This chance is now and will not happen again. Next year he is year older and will be bench option so his price will drop even more. Plus his wages will stop any deal with midtable club. We sell him now or he will stay for years.

Only explanation is that ETH wants him to stay. Which is same mistake which Ole did with many players.
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Andycoleno9 said:
:lol: :lol:
Anyway, for a sesson you need first pair; that is Varane-Martinez. You need good backup; that is Lindelof. Jones is not going nowhere so why not use him in EL. Also, lets finally see what is with Tuanzebe; is it United quality or not. Plus Mengi as younger player.
We can argue about quality but depth is there.

If you can't have youth prospect as 5th option then just close the academy.
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The sense in these posts is on overload.

We're going to be shite this season anyway and some think by dropping Maguire and letting Tuanzebe/Mengi have a go that we're going to let 7th or 8th suddenly become relegation on that one factor alone?!

We've made mistake after mistake after mistake after... you get the point. Lumbered with Jones, should have sold Tuanzebe for a nice fee to Villa when we could. There is example after example of us failing to get rid of players when we could. We end up loaning them and paying them off also. So don't make yet another financially negative expectation decision for fear of using a youth prospect as backup.


Varane - Lindelof
Bailly (keep) - Martinez
Jones
Tuanzebe/Mengi
Even Casemiro/McTominay have played CB and Shaw as a 3.


Opportunity of a lifetime. Get him out.
 
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Schmeichel=God said:
The sense in these posts is on overload.

We're going to be shite this season anyway and some think by dropping Maguire and letting Tuanzebe/Mengi have a go that we're going to let 7th or 8th suddenly become relegation on that one factor alone?!

We've made mistake after mistake after mistake after... you get the point. Lumbered with Jones, should have sold Tuanzebe for a nice fee to Villa when we could. There is example after example of us failing to get rid of players when we could. We end up loaning them and paying them off also. So don't make yet another financially negative expectation decision for fear of using a youth prospect as backup.


Varane - Lindelof
Bailly (keep) - Martinez
Jones
Tuanzebe/Mengi
Even Casemiro/McTominay have played CB and Shaw as a 3.


Opportunity of a lifetime. Get him out.
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You are comparing Maguire to the likes of Tuanzebe and Jones and it makes zero sense. Maguire last year probably has made more appearances than those two have for United in the past 5 years. If we want to sell him, there absolutely will be offers for him. He doesn't start for the national team based on charity.

If he is sold, suddenly those who didn't rate him will have to move on to scapegoating another player for all of our flaws.
 
I really can’t believe anyone is arguing for keeping him. In a very bad team dynamic he has been poor, to get a proper reset we need as much change as possible. He is not a good fit for the Ten Hag system, too slow, makes mistakes, no confidence etc. Nothing against the guy a move will be good for him and us. If he does well at Chelsea more luck to him, but he will struggle to get confidence back with us. We need to rebuild so let’s take the money and move on.
 
Red-17 said:
You are comparing Maguire to the likes of Tuanzebe and Jones and it makes zero sense. Maguire last year probably has made more appearances than those two have for United in the past 5 years. If we want to sell him, there absolutely will be offers for him. He doesn't start for the national team based on charity.

If he is sold, suddenly those who didn't rate him will have to move on to scapegoating another player for all of our flaws.
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Irrespective of scapegoating the bottom line is Maguire has underperformed for the majority of his time at United. Why is the relevance of how many games he's played used as rationale to justify his position in the squad ? The issue with United has always been sentimentality from the fans. If a player is purchased no matter the cost, if they show no promise and underperform for a long duration you sell them. The club cannot keep on holding unto players for the sake of it. It's why Jones has had a longer career at United than Ronaldo.
 
Red-17 said:
You are comparing Maguire to the likes of Tuanzebe and Jones and it makes zero sense. Maguire last year probably has made more appearances than those two have for United in the past 5 years. If we want to sell him, there absolutely will be offers for him. He doesn't start for the national team based on charity.

If he is sold, suddenly those who didn't rate him will have to move on to scapegoating another player for all of our flaws.
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He starts for the national side because they don't really press and have an extra centre back.

He seems incredibly lacking in confidence and could do with a move elsewhere.
 
lefty_jakobz said:
Sums up his carreer
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I imagine he was good at Leicester though I didn't see him much. But he was in a team that played to his strengths so then we overpaid for him and dropped him into a different system. Same as Chelsea did with Lukaku and Barca did with Griezeman.

Happens all the time. Player excels at smaller club in specific role, bigger club buys him for different role and is surprised when he isn't as good.
 
Imagine thinking it's a good idea to take money + Pulisic. He's absolute shit and the yanks would be even more unbareable.
 
FlapR said:
Imagine thinking it's a good idea to take money + Pulisic. He's absolute shit and the yanks would be even more unbareable.
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I wouldn't mind Pulisic on loan. But on a permanent deal we should look at better options.
 
If this swap happens, I’ll post a tiktok of me shaving my balls. I only get 3 posts a day btw.
 
If we could get half our money back on this it would be amazing

he’s a meme ffs get rid
 
Trex said:
You speak of 29 like its 33, and you speak of replacing Elanga like you think he'll have a big role after we complete the Antony signing. Pulisic would only move to a club that will guarantee him game time, the link to him is only as an alternative to Antony and he's clearly behind Gapko going by the rumours from reputable sources and you can see how high we're willing to bid for Antony instead of taking that option.
It makes sense to buy a left footed winger, it also make sense to buy a number if Ronaldo departs. Pulisic nope, we shouldn't allow ourselves to be Chelsea dumping ground.
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Like I said before, whether it will happen or no is not my argument. The argument is why should cash in 20m for Maguire and replace Greenwood and Elanga with Antony and Pulisic now is a risk?
 
‘If’ Chelsea come to the table with a player who’d actually benefit United I’d be all for a deal. Harry needs a change lacks the mental resilience to play for United. We need a right back, a midfielder, a striker, winger or a keeper. So who of their don’t want to retain list falls into that category.
 
This is one where it might actually make more financial sense to keep him unless Chelsea are willing to pay a lot. Maguire leaving necessitates the acquisition of a new centre back as the only half decent options remaining are Martinez, Varane and Lindelof, with the latter two having some injury concerns recently.

Despite his poor performance last season Maguire actually does provide a skillset that will be hard to replace, so binning him off for some pocket lint and a packet of crisps is actually going to be rather expensive. We would be one injury away from relying on Tuanzebe to play a significant number of minutes.

If there's a decent fee in it which facilitates the purchase of a quality player in the midfield or at right back that we could otherwise not afford it might make sense, but getting rid for nothing because of collective embarrassment about reddit memes is not a sound plan.
 
If they offer 60m, United should take money and run. Would cost more to replace him but so be it.
 
Red-17 said:
You are comparing Maguire to the likes of Tuanzebe and Jones and it makes zero sense. Maguire last year probably has made more appearances than those two have for United in the past 5 years. If we want to sell him, there absolutely will be offers for him. He doesn't start for the national team based on charity.

If he is sold, suddenly those who didn't rate him will have to move on to scapegoating another player for all of our flaws.
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I wasn't comparing. Comparing in your sense is replacing Harry with them in the first XI. Notice I had a hierarchy of defenders who start before them. They'd still likely get no more than 5 appearances. Besides, EL is as good a place as any to test them.

I agree he is ever fit, ever present, impressively so at his age considering the minutes he's played over the years. Changes nothing on my original opinion.

As for the national team point; he's had over 1 season of shocking performances for us. That's all that matters imo. We don't play 3 at the back, we don't sit deep anymore, his skillset is not one sufficient for us, rather it's in some areas blatantly deficient.

There would be offers, but only 30 to 40 mil max, for we are Man Utd and have repeatedly proven that we couldn't sell weapons if ww3 erupted.

I understand your and other's side of the argument, but we would survive without Harry without a shadow of a doubt.
 
We have a Goal-keeper who isn't compatible with the defenders we have , we have defenders who are not compatible with the midfielders we have.
I would sell Maguire if we get a decent fee just because his value will decrease over the time and he isn't playing great here. However to say he is the only problem is premature. If we have a goal-keeper which is fast in coming off the line , or a fast defensive midfielder, it might ease pressure off him and play to his strengths.
He was never 80m defender but he is one of the defender who is fit and available most of the time and we will be short in players if we dont replace him with another defender.
 
devilish said:
Some people ignore how a well run club works. A 50m fee for a 26 year old Maguire made sense. The guy is English which means that he takes a homegrown player slot. He was considered the best English CB around which made him pretty marketable, he is tall, tough and he rarely gets injured. If things worked out then they would have signed a winner who'll sort the CB role for the next 6-7 years. If he did meah then having a 50m rated CB as a reserve isn't such a problem. If he did shit then City would have offloaded him for a decent fee thus recouping most of the fee back.

We paid 80m for Maguire and it was paid in cash. That means that we had blown most of our budget on a CB which in turn means that we could reinforce all the positions we needed. An 80m rated CB would be expected to be paid as so which makes it near impossible to sell and it also made it impossible for Ole, Rangnick and probably ETH to put him on the bench for a long period of time. Unless Harry takes a pay cut then the fee we ask of him would be low to compensate for his salary else he remains at the club. No wonder why City bailed out the moment we offered that fee.

Regarding the Chelsea deal, they are pretty much in the same situation we were back then. They are desperate to add CBs and Leicester are trying to take them to the cleaners with Fofana. If they can get Maguire on a decent fee then it would provide them with that extra body they need especially if Maguire is willing to take a pay cut in a bid to rescue his career. Things get even better if the fee is low and they are able to put Pulisic into the deal ie an injury prone winger they don't want.
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Maguire's salary isn't actually that high. Less than 10m.
 
justsomebloke said:
Maguire's salary isn't actually that high. Less than 10m.
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That would make him the 4th highest paid player at Chelsea. Its more to what Pogba (free agent) is being paid at Juve as well
 
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Red_toad said:
‘If’ Chelsea come to the table with a player who’d actually benefit United I’d be all for a deal. Harry needs a change lacks the mental resilience to play for United. We need a right back, a midfielder, a striker, winger or a keeper. So who of their don’t want to retain list falls into that category.
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Would never sell but Reece James followed by maybe Jorginho as it's two of our issues in the first XI. Couldn't think of a ST or GK
 
Eckers99 said:
Nothing against you in particular but I'm so bored with the Maguire banter. Yes, he's been poor for a while but the monster pile on to keep humiliating him, with United fans also culpable in this, is so tedious, lazy and outright unnecessary. There was a time when we used to back our own and rally round but now we're out there making the atmosphere even more poisonous. Give him a break FFS.
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i agree and imagine how he feels. Must feel like shite. How people don’t see it as bullying on mass scale is beyond me. The ones that spout shite like be kind and preach they hate bullies are the ones laughing and joking at his expense constantly.

you might not like him but he’s human and one person. People need to back off a little as the whole country is digging at him. Then to have his own fanbase and England do it too.. man he’s got to have very thick skin.
 
A Competent DOF would sell this clown if a good offer comes in for him, as others have said on here sell and get a competent replacement in.
 
He’s had an excellent career literally everywhere except here. We’re an absolute player-graveyard….don’t be at all surprised if he goes elsewhere and excels again
 
He's a solid defender in a more defensive team. He was a beast for us the first few seasons but ever since Greece his form had a fallen off a cliff.
 
T00lsh3d said:
He’s had an excellent career literally everywhere except here. We’re an absolute player-graveyard….don’t be at all surprised if he goes elsewhere and excels again
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Couldn’t care less. He’s not cutting it here and that’s what’s important. Get rid.
 
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