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Harry Maguire (Out): Chelsea eyeing a shock swoop for Harry Maguire | Utd say not for sale
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I've seen this clip and that 'scene' a thousand times, and it gets better/worse every time. Never seen anything like it.
£80m for the worst defender at the club. Literally every other defender we have is better. The folk on here defending him
That is just a clip. One moment to make him look bad..... is what you would think until you realise there are whole compilations of a relative short period where Maguire is doing the most ridiculous stuff.
Now, just imagine if this comes true, we will be left with injury prone Varane and Baily, inconsistent Lindelof and the short CB Martinez. Plus forgotten men Tuanzebe and Jones. As much as my heart wants him be gone, my mind is telling me to stick with him unless we have someone good to replace him.
The only reason I would be dubious about letting Maguire go is because of the cover we have in that position, and whether we'd have enough time/the right person out there to upgrade.
My first picks are Varane and Martinez. There are already question marks about those two, mostly about Varane's fitness and Martinez's lack of height...despite the stats showing he's actually pretty good in the air. It doesn't matter though, because the first thing pundits or critics will talk about is his height, which is already very, very boring.
Then we've got Lindelof, who I quite like, but who hasn't maintained the consistency needed to make this role his own.
After that, you've got Bailly and Jones, who both need to move on.
So, arguably, we could do with keeping our eyes open and looking at what's out there anyway, as we're still not 100% fixed in this position. If Varane stays fit for the large part of this season, then rotating between Varane + Martinez + Lindelof is alright. However, we are one short in this department, in my opinion.
One thing is certain for me, which is that Maguire isn't the solution to this area. He has too many mistakes in him, lack of composure, and he just doesn't have that mentality that we need at the top level, or if we're trying to get back to that level. He's not the one to drag us through. He's a good third or fourth choice, imo.
My first picks are Varane and Martinez. There are already question marks about those two, mostly about Varane's fitness and Martinez's lack of height...despite the stats showing he's actually pretty good in the air. It doesn't matter though, because the first thing pundits or critics will talk about is his height, which is already very, very boring.
Then we've got Lindelof, who I quite like, but who hasn't maintained the consistency needed to make this role his own.
After that, you've got Bailly and Jones, who both need to move on.
So, arguably, we could do with keeping our eyes open and looking at what's out there anyway, as we're still not 100% fixed in this position. If Varane stays fit for the large part of this season, then rotating between Varane + Martinez + Lindelof is alright. However, we are one short in this department, in my opinion.
One thing is certain for me, which is that Maguire isn't the solution to this area. He has too many mistakes in him, lack of composure, and he just doesn't have that mentality that we need at the top level, or if we're trying to get back to that level. He's not the one to drag us through. He's a good third or fourth choice, imo.
If we let Maguire go and we get a good offer to let him go, it could be seen as an opportunity which we can't pass on. His stock will only keep decreasing from here on more so if Ten Hag decides to drop him. If we do let him go we will probably sign a replacement since we can't depend on the players we have to stay fit for a whole season.
Let's pretend this is true, If Chelsea bid £50m we would surely have to accept.
Why keep an extra layer of shit over your examples?
Plus we don’t have CL which means we can pretty much rotate out our starters for one game a week ( or whatever equivalent this mad season has)
Varane / Martinez / Lindelof is more than enough
I think at £40M this would be a great deal!
The question is we will have £40M left over to pay Chelsea after all our other transfer activity?
The question is we will have £40M left over to pay Chelsea after all our other transfer activity?
Pretty impressive to get to near 500 posts so quickly, even on the Chelsea forum it's got to 50 posts, which is pretty good for them in 12 hours, and to say they're no keen would be an understatement.
Just sums up what virtually everyone thinks about Maguire nowadays., sure our manager will catch on pretty quickly aswell, if he hasn't done already.
Just sums up what virtually everyone thinks about Maguire nowadays., sure our manager will catch on pretty quickly aswell, if he hasn't done already.
Some people ignore how a well run club works. A 50m fee for a 26 year old Maguire made sense. The guy is English which means that he takes a homegrown player slot. He was considered the best English CB around which made him pretty marketable, he is tall, tough and he rarely gets injured. If things worked out then they would have signed a winner who'll sort the CB role for the next 6-7 years. If he did meah then having a 50m rated CB as a reserve isn't such a problem. If he did shit then City would have offloaded him for a decent fee thus recouping most of the fee back.
We paid 80m for Maguire and it was paid in cash. That means that we had blown most of our budget on a CB which in turn means that we could reinforce all the positions we needed. An 80m rated CB would be expected to be paid as so which makes it near impossible to sell and it also made it impossible for Ole, Rangnick and probably ETH to put him on the bench for a long period of time. Unless Harry takes a pay cut then the fee we ask of him would be low to compensate for his salary else he remains at the club. No wonder why City bailed out the moment we offered that fee.
Regarding the Chelsea deal, they are pretty much in the same situation we were back then. They are desperate to add CBs and Leicester are trying to take them to the cleaners with Fofana. If they can get Maguire on a decent fee then it would provide them with that extra body they need especially if Maguire is willing to take a pay cut in a bid to rescue his career. Things get even better if the fee is low and they are able to put Pulisic into the deal ie an injury prone winger they don't want.
This is a windup. One is constantly getting balls out of the back of the bet, the other is a winger for Chelsea. Why would they do this?
I have to say at this point it might be better for all involved if this happened.
I think he'd do brilliantly well at Chelsea so they would get value for money and his situation here has become toxic.
It feels like some of our players are carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders and not enjoying their football. The relationship between some of them and the fans is probably damaged beyond all repair and when that happens, a fresh start might be best.
I think he'd do brilliantly well at Chelsea so they would get value for money and his situation here has become toxic.
It feels like some of our players are carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders and not enjoying their football. The relationship between some of them and the fans is probably damaged beyond all repair and when that happens, a fresh start might be best.
Only Maguire, Varane and now Case have good header in them. Rest of the squad is weaker in that area. If Maguire goes then we need a better replacement. Hope club is not stupid to sell him without a replacement.
That's a terrible deal for us
Considering the baily news it's safe to say this is bullshit.
Unless we're planning to repurpose Scott fecking McTominay to a center back.
Unless we're planning to repurpose Scott fecking McTominay to a center back.
If only this were true, We could bring in DeJong, Mbappe, KDB and that still wouldn’t bring me as much joy as getting rid of Maguire. 40-50Mil, take the hit.
Isn't pulisic pretty awful. I've never seen him do anything good.
I'd take a transfer fee for him but not a cut deal including pulisic.
I'd take a transfer fee for him but not a cut deal including pulisic.
He isn't just a 29 year old, he is a starting center back and the club captain, there's little to no chance we'll be swapping him for Pulisic. The fact Pulisic is 23 in itself means nothing. There's a reason why he is on the market, coming from a club with not so great attacking options.
We United fans tend to underrated all our players and overrate a lot of opposition players.
Prefer cash. Pulisic is a sicknote.
Yep for all the eagerness to ditch McTom and Maguire, people surely realise that we're already massively weak on defending set pieces, so would surely concede even sillier amounts without those 2.
The issue is we’d need to go out and sign a top CB - Varane will be injured again in 2 weeks. Considering Chelsea have been struggling all summer to find one I don’t hold much hope. Akanji would be available cheap and we’ve been linked - not sure he’s consistent enough though. Tapsoba at Leverkusen looks a talent but if he’s available surely Chelsea would have gone and got him. However, I can see why Maguire would want the move and it could be good for everyone. The guy had bomb threats for fecks sake - the entire situation is just ridiculous and I don’t see how anyone could turn that toxicity around.
Nobody should worry about that, we have Martinez who wins so many aerial duels anyway.
Maguire is better at heading than Ronaldo?
Shit deal for Villa that though
He had a very good run of form a few years back actually. I think injuries are his issue
It must be a wind up, Chelsea are not hat daft, the fans would not accept him, would they?
Just another thought - if Axel, Jones, Ronaldo and AWB are all leaving I don’t think Maguire or Rashford can leave - we don’t have enough home grown players do we? I count Heaton, Shaw, Elanga, Sancho and Mctominay outside of those.
It isn’t his only redeeming feature.
Hey, I'm just selling you the best version of the player.I don’t think that’s the winning argument you think it is
It's completely bogus, though, this whole story. Not followed up by any other sources.
Not every players on the market is bad thing. We have seen many times how players being listed on the market is not always mean they are not good enough but can be because the player doesn’t suit to manager’s style.
Whether is little chances or big chances of happening is not my argument. I specifically referring to how you think it‘s a risk move if it happens, which shocked me because clearly our defense has been shambolic with or without Maguire. So losing Maguire is not going to make any difference here, upgrading Elanga to Pulisic even with his sick note is no risk either since it has no difference anyway since Elanga‘s existence is not a threat to improve Sancho and Rashford performance.
So far you are making points that doesn’t show how the negative points you mentioned can overtake the positive points. Please List the negative points and show me how they can overtake the positive points I mentioned. You will realise it has no difference.
Even if we get 20m plus Pulisic, you still wouldn’t take it?
He's not been good enough for us for years, regardless of how good an actual player he is. Move him on. Simple as and how the best clubs operate.
I wouldn't because we'll have to triple that money minimum to get a decent Maguire replacement. All to get Pulisic?
He plays in a team were Jorginho outscore all their forwards yet doesn't start.
You think Ronaldo will still be here on 1st September?
Maguire and cash, i.e. we pay them cash to take him.
Hilarious
We would never get 60m from selling Maguire. At 29 years old, he will need to be replaced sooner than later, thus, the best situation will be cash in now if that offers actually come.
I'm shocked that you would rather chose to gain no cash and replace Maguire next year using the next year budget than get 20m + Pulisic to upgrade Elanga now and replace Maguire next year using the next year budget.
There's nothing to replace. He's been at the back for some of the most humiliating thrashings in our history.
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