The irony of this post.
You've criticised people for trusting the media, yet you're trusting the media with the bolded points. The only way you're not going with tabloid junk yourself is if you were stood right next to the incident.
Laughable.
Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending
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The irony of this post.
You've criticised people for trusting the media, yet you're trusting the media with the bolded points. The only way you're not going with tabloid junk yourself is if you were stood right next to the incident.
Laughable.
At least we have an idea what he looks like.Yeah its mad. One day decent people that people only have good things to say about start beating police up. Its almost like that's not what happened.
Exactly, I don’t think it’s fair to completely throw away someone’s character when talking about incidents like this one. Since Harry has got to Utd he’s been nothing but a top professional, as he has been his whole career. Even if he’s made a mistake surely we owe it to him not to throw him straight to the wolves.
I think Southgate dropping him from the England squad is poor man-management. Throw him under the bus for some good PR while the matter is under appeal, you just can't buy class.
In fairness, I think Maguire will understand.
There seems to be an agenda against Maguire on the caf and the loudest people seem to be either opposition fans or foreign quote unquote Manchester United fans who hate the English (or hate Brits abroad, maybe understandably there's a lot of loudmouth wankers from our shores)
But their denial of even the possibility that Harry Maguire could be the victim of an organised extortion at worst and of self defence at best is odd, especially given how extremely vocal Harry and his family have been about the whole ordeal. If it was as the Greeks said I think he would just have accepted his slap on the wrist and moved on, the way they've reacted seems to suggest to me that there is something seriously awry about the whole case, especially when you start reading up on the links between the Greek Police and organised crime since 2018.
John Terry only gets stripped of the captaincy when he's facing a trial for being a racist and Maguire gets dropped completely from the squad for facing a trial for being in a fight. Hmmmm....
That's fact by the way. You do know that court verdict is an official documents right?
Plain clothed police with bodycam?
Seriously?
You do know if police was off duty he could still break out a fight and arrest the perps right?
And for the nth time where do you get this they didnt id themselves?
I think if you think that, you should think again
I said if the appeal fails. I didn't say whether I believed anything or not: we were told very little detail in the court case and the Greek judicial system is weird in that there's a trial after 20 minutes and the defendant doesn't have to be there. And that lodging an appeal wipes out the conviction
Appeal decision might take years.
I dunno. Sir Alex seems the sort of guy who might be miffed if someone tried to drug and rape his sister
In the UK it would still be a crime, I know of people charged and convicted after going berserk protecting family.
Or by saying sorry.
Reasonable force.
If somebody hits you and you hit them back, it's a defence.
If somebody hits you and you shoot them in the face, it's not a defence.
Context is also relevant.
Is it me or is all this sounding a bit kinky now?
Any United fans taking pleasure in this need to feck off. and yes, there’s plenty on twitter.
Forgive me for being ignorant but what does suspended sentence mean exactly ? Is it if his appeal fails hes in jail or is it similar to how Messi avoided jail over tax fraud ?
I find it bizarre people on here are hoping he gets some sort of severe punishment or dropped and sold by the club. He’s the club captain, gives his all and very professional towards the club. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time, it happens.
So you're making it up based on no source at all?
Agree completely. Spot on.
Maguire has always been a quiet man and hasn't ever been involved in trouble. He's earnt his credit throghout his career for it to be erased in a pair of minutes, based on the words of some policemen we know nothing about. Structural corruption aside there's decent people in those places everywhere and others who are not. Not because you're the authority you're the owner of truth.
Legally they hold the power, but it doesn't mean we should take everything they say as gospel, and Maguire has perfect right to defend himself properly and deserves at least the benefit of doubt. Especially with his precedents being unpolluted and considering all the question marks in the story.
As things stand he's innocent and he will be at least for a long time, if not forever, so let's get behind the man until something changes. The rats can go back to the sewer until then.
Legally they hold the power, but it doesn't mean we should take everything they say as gospel, and Maguire has perfect right to defend himself properly and deserves at least the benefit of doubt. Especially with his precedents being unpolluted and considering all the question marks in the story.
As things stand he's innocent and he will be at least for a long time, if not forever, so let's get behind the man until something changes. The rats can go back to the sewer until then.
Somethings obviously happened, were the police in plain clothes as I’ve read, or not. He’s sticking to his story, newspapers were quick to jump on it, one thing he hasn’t done is be arrested for drink driving like some players, much more dangerous.
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Well if Maguire ever says anything racist on the pitch we now know which can members will be wearing tee shirts supporting him .
Blinded by loyalty or blinded by stupidity ? I think we all know it's the latter .
Blinded by loyalty or blinded by stupidity ? I think we all know it's the latter .
This is not aimed at you specifically, but I think this particular attitude is also part of the reason why many people here are vocal condemning Maguire.
There’s nothing to ‘get behind’. He’s been entangled in a legal situation and now has legal representation to sort it out. As people wholly unrelated to the situation and are not privy to the legal proceedings, let alone the truth of the case, all that’s left to us is to speculate, not taking sides. Just because he’s been a quiet chap doesn’t mean he wasn’t capable of momentary stupidity, or being Man Utd captain entails him to our unconditional support in matters wholly unrelated to sport, and vice versa, just because the police presented the story as his crew being the aggressors doesn’t mean it’s the truth.
I find it very weird that people are getting emotional over something like this.
From the Maguire accounts. You know the other people who were there.
It's the polices job to prove that they did otherwise they could legitimately have believed that they were being attacked again
He was brought to a police station. Any sort of doubt of whether they are real or fake policemen should have evaporated.
How else could they prove they're cop if bringing them into an actual police station isnt enough?
If maguire is too thick to think that it's a real cop in a real police station and even the uk embassy are sending their recommendation lawyer then god help us all.
Ps it comes with a real holding cell.
If you’re including me in that you couldn’t be more wrong.
Have you seen pictures of the police station (at night)?
I haven't, but I have seen lots of police stations in urban enviroment, and it's not always immediately obvious it's a police station. Often it's a nondescript building with a sign over the door.
It's not like the movies with lots of blue lights and whatnot.
The Maguire's explained they thought they were heading to a hospital. The van stops somewhere that doesn't look like a hospital and 8 men pull them out of the van. Maybe they said they were police in Greek. But it was a stressful situation where Maguire was already fearing for his sister.
Is Maguire faultless here? Probably not, but there seems to be mitigating circumstances.
The season can't start quickly enough
But the context isn't irrelevant.
Even if he is convicted a second time United won't get rid.
Plausibility it was in a vehicle that wasn't related to the police, having been attacked by people who weren't police and the van driver not communicating that they were not going where they were expecting to after the driver was directed to go there by plain clothes police when they were there they were arrested immediately by plain clothes police.
We don't know how repeatedly they hit the police or for how long they resisted.
I find it more likely that they didn't know they were the police based on what we know and the people involved. It would be remarkable for a decent person to randomly attack the police one day without there being an explanation and even the cops say he wasn't drunk to the point where he couldn't walk straight so that doesn't cut it.
More likely they were apprehended without notice of the arrest or identification of the officers and rightly fought them off until they proved they were police being who they are didn't like that.
Or why cant harry says sorry mate. Didnt knew you're the real deal. He got off and everyone happy.
If I'm the judge presiding his whole case having to read how your media twisted it into some kind of corruption fannfiction feat. Greek gestapo and albanian gangster you'd bet I'd thrown him the book.
I'm not irritated by our captain. He's stupid, he made mistakes, we all did. I'm irritated by the british media that are profiting from this small issue by creating fan fiction that made the greek sounds like al capone.
Could the thread title be more clear? It's a bit technical, but I think he deserves a more clear title, now that he is not found guilty of anything yet.
"Conviction nullified - Innocent unless upcoming trial finds him guilty"?
"Conviction nullified - Innocent unless upcoming trial finds him guilty"?
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