It’s impossibly to play possession based football with him in the team. Every time he’s under the slightest pressure, he hoofs the ball away. I appreciate he brings some calm to the team but like the rest of our defenders, he’s not up to standards.
5
Season Average Rating
- Appearances
- 28
- Clean sheets
- 6
- Goals
- 3
- Assists
- 0
- Yellow cards
- 8
Thanks.
For a next time in a situation like this (De Ligt not available, United to attack/ make the game) better play with a back 3 of:
Mazraoui - Yoro - Martinez
The only passes he has in his locker are a cross field ball to the wing or a 5 yard sideways pass. Nothing in-between.
His cameo playing up front is promising. Winning headers and actually successfully made us more dangerous. I honestly think he’s more useful as striker than our actual strikers.
Yeah it's just agenda driven nonsense. Him and MDL have been pretty similar. And both have been far from convincing.
Red caf ratings, no bias there whatsoever
. New signing vs player many are desperate to sell. People are always desperate for new signings to work out and will rate them higher. Particularly when they've said they were miles better than what we had and don't like to be wrong (and others to be right).
I remember similar when people told me Darmian was better than Valencia.
Red caf ratings, no bias there whatsoever
People are always desperate for new signings to work out and will rate them higher. Particularly when they've said they were miles better than what we had and don't like to be wrong (and others to be right).
I remember similar when people told me Darmian was better than Valencia.
I remember when people were calling Darmian the best RB in the league after his first month when he hadn't left his own half.
The poor guy still doesn't know how to play a high line. Probably never will
Exactly. Similar happened with Bailly and Lindelof when people didn't like Smalling if I remember rightly.
Oh Harry. Not a good game. Need him to massively step up with Licha’s injury.
Oooor.. or... go with Maz/Yoro-DeLigt-Yoro/Shaw
Luke Shaw to the rescue
Red caf ratings, no bias there whatsoever
People are always desperate for new signings to work out and will rate them higher. Particularly when they've said they were miles better than what we had and don't like to be wrong (and others to be right).
I remember similar when people told me Darmian was better than Valencia.
I think those ratings are pretty accurate. My own ones for the season are very similar, I think MDL is 6.0 and Harry 5.9. I rate each player and game on its individual merits, I don't have any agendas. In my opinion both have had similar seasons. Largely solid but interspersed with some shaky moments.
What worries me about Maguire has been the last 2 or 3 weeks we've seen some of the old mistakes and frailties resurfacing.
putting any hope in Luke Shaw is a waste of time. Will be happy to see Maz in the back 3 though.
He's certainly somewhat culpable for the second goal but I'm a bit sick of this fatuous nonsense of literally every single feck up being a case of "well he's actually been shit the entire season, and here's the proof".
Maguire has been one of our best performers throughout the season but if your side so routinely struggles to score in the way our side does, every defensive error is potentially game-changing. The real issue is that the defence so often has to be perfect for us to walk away with anything because our attack (aside from Amad) is doing absolutely nothing.
Maguire has been one of our best performers throughout the season but if your side so routinely struggles to score in the way our side does, every defensive error is potentially game-changing. The real issue is that the defence so often has to be perfect for us to walk away with anything because our attack (aside from Amad) is doing absolutely nothing.
It's amazing to me he came to us with a reputation a ball playing centre back and managed to maintain that reputation year after year despite being bad on the ball.
Remind me how we ended up in that position?I mean...
Bad game, shit happens, I don't mind it from him
By signing him from Leicester.
It's a pretty easy offside trap that eliminates pretty much any threat from that situation. Maguire doesn't trust his pace so he always ends up a few feet deeper than he needs to be, consistently ruining offside traps for us, it's not just this game. Well, it's either that or he simply hasn't heard of them as a concept but I doubt that.
There's no threatening situation if multiple players before that do their job. Starting off with Zirkzee missing a simple pass.
I mean...
I mean it's a late break away goal when we're chasing the game, were taking massive risk with our positioning etc, and yeah goals like this quite often are conceded. Even vidic and Rio conceded loads of goals like this.
To be honest Im more concerned with the wing backs that offer nothing defensively or offensively, a midfield that can neither sustain meaningful possession or protect the backline and an attack that actually is the worst in the league.
Without Maguire this season we would be in the relegation zone.
Every defender makes mistakes. The real issues are recurring ones that keep happening — Maguire literally does this in every game (unless it’s Liverpool or City when we barely leave our own penalty box) even though, obviously, not every ruined offside trap leads to a goal or even to a big chance like tonight.
As for the last part… I don’t think so personally but we’d be worse off, yeah. Overall he’s done more good than bad this season but he’s been at best overall (which, sadly, is enough to be on par with our best center backs this season).
Why do so many United fans just refuse to accept when one of "their" players played shit or made a mistake? What exactly are they trying up prove, or achieve?
A few months ago I had an argument on this forum with an Onana fan who was trying to convince me that the Forest goal he conceded slap bang in the middle of the goal was not his fault because the ball "swerved"!
Just utter madness.
A few months ago I had an argument on this forum with an Onana fan who was trying to convince me that the Forest goal he conceded slap bang in the middle of the goal was not his fault because the ball "swerved"!
Just utter madness.
Shocking footballer, fact he survived and got extended despite the shitshow this club is (and the fact a good chunk of supporters are fine with the renewal) sums up the lack of standards at this club. We get everything we deserve.
So no one is going to speak about Yoros part in the second goal? Stepping up without a shout and allowing a player to amble past him without checking the line first?
Maguire didn't have the greatest of games but it cannot be easy when you have to cover for Dalot and Yoro as well as do your own job...
Maguire didn't have the greatest of games but it cannot be easy when you have to cover for Dalot and Yoro as well as do your own job...
Him chasing Munoz for that last goal was such a sorry sight to see. Honestly he's done so well recently but it's tough to see him starting when we eventually want to play a high line. Either of the Palace CBs in his position and that chance gets a lot more difficult.
I can’t get my head round him starting over De Ligt
This is very true. There's some sort of myth about him being brilliant this season just because he's been a little less rubbish than previous years. And he's playing CB in a back 5 and we look like conceding all the time so something isn't right. (And no it's not all down to him)
The fact that this guy still plays for us and even got a contract extension tells you that we are not yet ready to change as a club.
We deserve fully to be where we are. And its going to get much worse.
We deserve fully to be where we are. And its going to get much worse.
I can't get my head around us buying De Ligt when we already had a better CB and were in dire need of goalscorers.
Wish we never bought him.
I remember Blanc having a couple of those moment, he was so slow, but Maguire has to way slower.
Maguire probably has been our best central defender this season, but it certainly hasn't been 'comfortably'. He's fractionally ahead of De Ligt in my eyes.
They were basically even up until 5-6 weeks ago, then Maguire had a good month which moved him ahead. He's now had a couple of poor games again which has closed the gap, but I'd still say that overall he's been slightly better.
Actually, if we're rating them purely on their performances in the central roles, then Mazraoui has easily been our best. He just hasn't played there enough, but hopefully we see him move back there instead of playing at wingback.
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Yoro is still very very young. He will make mistakes. I do think people are being over the top with the critique of Maguire who has largely been excellent this season.
Our frontline is much more of an issue then our defence.
Agree with you, the backline has been chopped and changed a lot recently too so there's that to contend with as well.
This "comfortably better" narrative is just an agenda.
All of our CB's have been well under par for a long time now. They have all had the odd stand out game here-and-there, but lack any semblance of consistency. Ultimately, Maguire should have been binned a long time ago, and possibly, MDL never signed.
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He always seems to be our 'best dedender' when we're absolute crap at the back. Minus 6 goal difference in the league. Yes, I know, it's not all his fault, but he shoulders blame as well and you seldom if ever admit to that.
Yeah we do need better around him.
There are other priorities though (goalscorers) like it should have been in the summer instead of spending £100m on CBs who were no improvement to the starting XI.
Right. Because Maguire is the one to build our future around...Maybe we can get him on the list for MBE for his redemption arc as well?
Pretty sure we'll buy another CB this summer by the way. His extension only made sense, when we try to sell Maguire in the summer. But given Martinez injury, thats probably not going to happen. So we continue playing the overall decent to good upper midtable CB while we pay him like one of the best defenders in the league. And to round up the picture, a few fans will call what they see excellent. It boggles the mind.