[Lyng]

For anyone who doesn't think the support of the fans means anything.

Varane was just as culpable as any other player last season but didn't recieve half the criticism others did. Now he is flying and is arguably one of our best players this season.

Fan support can make the difference, even to a player who has won it all.

Two things:

1) Varanes reaction hasnt been to come out and tell everyone how he is a 6 time champions league winner and therefor he doesnt listen to critics or something of that ilk.

2) Varane is flying now because he worked hard and now has a proper partner in Martinez and not Maguire.

 

[Bebestation]

Two things:

1) Varanes reaction hasnt been to come out and tell everyone how he is a 6 time champions league winner and therefor he doesnt listen to critics or something of that ilk.

2) Varane is flying now because he worked hard and now has a proper partner in Martinez and not Maguire.

I wonder if Maguire feels the same at his performances in front of Henderson vs De gea.

 

[Zippycup]

The bolded highlights where the problem lies. Like I said even if Maguire plays to his absolute best of his ability, I like many other fans don’t believe it’s good enough. His confidence is not the limitation right now. It’s his ability. He’s simply not as good as we had hoped.

What I genuinely believe is creating a huge divide amongst the fan base is his anomaly first season with us where he did ok based on the way we were playing. I accept in a deep lying counter attacking team, Maguire would actually be useful to some extent. That’s how we were playing under Ole. But if we aspire to be a top team, we simply can’t set up as a counter attack team as it’ll only be useful in about 6 games in the season against top teams. Maguire is not good enough to play the kind of football ETH wants to play.

We can give him all the support in the world but he’s not suited to what we need. It’s honestly best for his career and mental health that he moves on to a team where he can offer something suited to his abilities.

That's the thing.
Because many fans don't think he's good enough (either do I for what it's worth) for some, nothing he does will ever be deemed good enough. And therein lies the problem.

The support he needs will not only do him good but us as a club as well. As I've said, like it or not he is currently our third choice centre back and given that our number 1 centre back has a terrible injury record we can more or less guarantee that Maguire will be needed at some point.

I've no doubt that he will move on next summer, but until then I'm going to support him for as long as he wears our red.
That doesn't mean I won't criticise his performances, as fans I feel we have every right to fo that but I won't criticise for the sake of critising.

 

[Zippycup]

Two things:

1) Varanes reaction hasnt been to come out and tell everyone how he is a 6 time champions league winner and therefor he doesnt listen to critics or something of that ilk.

2) Varane is flying now because he worked hard and now has a proper partner in Martinez and not Maguire.

1) Varane hasn't recieved the abuse and unjust criticism that Maguire has.

2) So like Maguire he needs a certain type of player around him to perform to his best? Didn't Maguire get abuse for (allegadley) saying exactly that?

 

[OL29]

For anyone who doesn't think the support of the fans means anything.

Varane was just as culpable as any other player last season but didn't recieve half the criticism others did. Now he is flying and is arguably one of our best players this season.

Fan support can make the difference, even to a player who has won it all.

I've seen things like this said a few times and it seems like revisionism. Varane was by no means great last season but he was mostly ok apart from the game against Brighton and possibly a couple other games I can't remember. Trying to place him in the same category as Maguire who was an absoloute calamity for the whole season is dishonest. Maguire was making critical mistakes, game after game, which he's carried into this season. There's been a stark difference in not just their performances but also their attitude. Not to mention Varane cost a fraction of the price. I've always maintained that the abuse Maguire's received is well over the top, and I do feel sorry for him but he doesn't help himself with his poor attitude and neither do those who defend him by trying to group others with him.

 

[Chief123]

That's the thing.
Because many fans don't think he's good enough (either do I for what it's worth) for some, nothing he does will ever be deemed good enough. And therein lies the problem.

The support he needs will not only do him good but us as a club as well. As I've said, like it or not he is currently our third choice centre back and given that our number 1 centre back has a terrible injury record we can more or less guarantee that Maguire will be needed at some point.

I've no doubt that he will move on next summer, but until then I'm going to support him for as long as he wears our red.
That doesn't mean I won't criticise his performances, as fans I feel we have every right to fo that but I won't criticise for the sake of critising.

Of course it’s an absolute guarantee we will need him multiple times this season. Those are the games that worry me because not only is he limited in ability he’s shot to pieces confidence wise. Any kind of injury to Varanitez, then we’d be in twitchy bum time.

 

[Lyng]

I wonder if Maguire feels the same at his performances in front of Henderson vs De gea.

Varane seems to be doing fine in front of De Gea so thats a mute point.

 

[Lyng]

1) Varane hasn't recieved the abuse and unjust criticism that Maguire has.

2) So like Maguire he needs a certain type of player around him to perform to his best? Didn't Maguire get abuse for (allegadley) saying exactly that?

Well he is working fine with the exact people Maguire claim pull him down so its a silly point.

1) No because he didnt try to waffle away his bad patch by blaming everyone else.

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

Varane seems to be doing fine in front of De Gea so thats a mute point.

You meant a moo point

Re: his perceived ‘excessive abuse’, when Maguire got slated for his hairstyle, fashion choice, skin color or charity work then come back to me. All of the criticisms leveled at him, including the memes and fail montages, are about his on pitch performance.

 

[Sylar]

BTW, im not going to downplay any abuse Maguire has had. But what are we classifying as abuse. On twitter, I tend to be selective in who I follow so on my timeline I dont actively go and search for those types of accounts that will do so. But mostly what ive seen (at worst) is saying hes a shit footballer, or has a slabhead or isnt manchester united material
What else has been directed at him?

I still cant believe people thing Maguire has got anything like Rashford (and pogba). As I said before its not a competition and this is a Maguire thread.
I think Maguire is going to be needed especially with thefixture pileup and I want everyone of our players in top condition physically and mentally going into it. But what has Maguire got that makes him the most abused player like Williams, Shaw state or some of the people in this thread have stated?

I havent seen half of the things thats been directed at Rashford for non footballing things.

 

[OL29]

BTW, im not going to downplay any abuse Maguire has had. But what are we classifying as abuse. On twitter, I tend to be selective in who I follow so on my timeline I dont actively go and search for those types of accounts that will do so. But mostly what ive seen (at worst) is saying hes a shit footballer, or has a slabhead or isnt manchester united material
What else has been directed at him?

I still cant believe people thing Maguire has got anything like Rashford (and pogba). As I said before its not a competition and this is a Maguire thread.
I think Maguire is going to be needed especially with thefixture pileup and I want everyone of our players in top condition physically and mentally going into it. But what has Maguire got that makes him the most abused player like Williams, Shaw state or some of the people in this thread have stated?

I havent seen half of the things thats been directed at Rashford for non footballing things.

I personally don't think he's had more abuse than Pogba, Martial, Rashford etc. The reason I think it's gone too far is that he gets criticised even when it's unwarranted and unprovoked. His name gets brought up in here to have a pop even in threads that don't concern him which I think is unnecessary. He's hardly unique in that sense though. The bomb threat to his house was a bit disturbing too, I haven't seen that happen to any of our other players but that doesn't mean he's received the most abuse. He's also been very protected in the English media which doesn't really help his case.

 

[Bebestation]

Varane seems to be doing fine in front of De Gea so thats a mute point.

Well not really. Certain players have strengths and weaknesses that blend with another players strengths and weaknesses.

Varane’s strengths blend with De Gea’s weaknesses.

Henderson’s strengths blended with Maguire’s weaknesses.

 

[Lyng]

Well not really. Certain players have strengths and weaknesses that blend with another players strengths and weaknesses.

Varane’s strengths blend with De Gea’s weaknesses.

Henderson’s strengths blended with Maguire’s weaknesses.

How so?

 

[Ish]

How so?

Henderson could save the penalties maguire concedes

 

[romufc]

I’ve very rarely if ever seen Maguire get “abuse” in the manner Rashford and Pogba got.

I only ever see fans commenting on Maguire being shit and memes of all his mistakes.

Very Rarely? Yep being called a Fridge is not abuse is it?

Pogba and Rashford still had the Pogba FC who would back him.

If you say that Maguire's abuse is only comments based on performances, then you are definitely joking.

Prior to this International break, how many times has Maguire been shit or had mistakes for England? Yet he was being Booed, abused by England fans? Explain that please?

 

[Chief123]

Very Rarely? Yep being called a Fridge is not abuse is it?

Pogba and Rashford still had the Pogba FC who would back him.

If you say that Maguire's abuse is only comments based on performances, then you are definitely joking.

Prior to this International break, how many times has Maguire been shit or had mistakes for England? Yet he was being Booed, abused by England fans? Explain that please?

I mean if he’s getting upset at being called a Fridge, he really should quit participating in anything in the public eye. I can’t imagine how he’d feel if it escalated to a Washing Machine.

 

[romufc]

I mean if he’s getting upset at being called a Fridge, he really should quit participating in anything in the public eye. I can’t imagine how he’d feel if it escalated to a Washing Machine.

I thought you are the one saying its only comments about his performances? Abuse can be anything.

I see how you avoided the question about Internationals and England fans because if doesnt suit your narrative.

 

[Rolaholic]

I mean if he’s getting upset at being called a Fridge, he really should quit participating in anything in the public eye. I can’t imagine how he’d feel if it escalated to a Washing Machine.

Seriously

Bruno gets called ratface nonstop and gets loads of abuse from rival fans but I've never seen anyone use that to justify his poor performances sometimes.

Ronaldo also had a terrific individual season last season when he was the most abused football player in the world on social media, being called much much worse than a Fridge...

Even Fred was basically a meme even within the fanbase numerous times over the years but he's risen above more often than not.

Our foreign players hardly get the same level of empathy and understanding compared to our domestic ones.

 

[kouroux]

Very Rarely? Yep being called a Fridge is not abuse is it?

Pogba and Rashford still had the Pogba FC who would back him.

If you say that Maguire's abuse is only comments based on performances, then you are definitely joking.

Prior to this International break, how many times has Maguire been shit or had mistakes for England? Yet he was being Booed, abused by England fans? Explain that please?

Didn't Pogba and/of Rashford get booed too at times ? My issue with Maguire, just like it was Pogba is the lack of self accountability, I have never seen him take a humble approach and say I haven't been good enough".
It's always excuses after excuses on top of bigging himself up.

 

[romufc]

Didn't Pogba and/of Rashford get booed too at times ? My issue with Maguire, just like it was Pogba is the lack of self accountability, I have never seen him take a humble approach and say I haven't been good enough".
It's always excuses after excuses on top of bigging himself up.

When did Pogba get booed by French fans? Apologies, was not aware of that.

I am not defending Maguire as a footballer, its more the off field abuse that is a bit OTT.

On the pitch, him and Pogba are similar, they have this deluded mentality that make it other peoples fault and not theirs. Maguire had been rubbish for us in the last year at least, he does not deserve to play, he isn't.

What Maguire hasn't done yet, which Pogba did to fuel fan anger is get his agent to keep saying he wants to leave, before big CL games, middle of the season, every time we have are in poor form, he wanted to leave.

Also, alot of fans blamed United for Pogba not being good enough saying we didnt unlock him, we failed him, not used him properly.... etc. there comes a point the player needs to take responsibility for his performances.

 

[Chief123]

I thought you are the one saying its only comments about his performances? Abuse can be anything.

I see how you avoided the question about Internationals and England fans because if doesnt suit your narrative.

Mate if you are really going to the point where him being called a fridge or England fans booing him is regarded as abuse then flipping heck, he’s definitely in the wrong profession.

The likes of Rashford and Pogba have had monkey chants/references online and racist slurs because of the colour of their skin and Maguire has been accused of being called a white kitchen appliance with an expired warranty.

No him being referred to as a fridge or being booed by fans is not abuse. If anything, every ref should be up in arms after being called a wa*nker nearly every game.

 

[MalBot]

What's interesting about Maguire’s performance threads per season is that they are an identikit with the year altered.

I've had enough time lately to go back to the origin thread and the discussions are the same.

It's incredulous.

There is a comment there from 3.5 years ago which you could be forgiven for thinking it was this season. The last sentence I actually thought was referring to the recent England game.

Had another terrible game this gameweek. Tries to pull an offside, and expecting Evans to have eyes in his back dragging up the offside, but instead Maguire's man Zaha scores. Then more bad actions, and then losing the ball leading to a 1-4 goal again.

He is absolutely shit and out of confidence at the moment

 

[NinjaZombie]

For anyone who doesn't think the support of the fans means anything.

Varane was just as culpable as any other player last season but didn't recieve half the criticism others did. Now he is flying and is arguably one of our best players this season.

Fan support can make the difference, even to a player who has won it all.

No he wasn't. He may not have been good, but he didn't make the same number of glaring errors and mistakes Maguire has made. Pulling his own left back out of the way after fecking up a clearance header, directly losing the ball after attempting to dribble just outside his box which ended up in us conceding, not sorting out his feet from a De Gea save which resulted in a City goal etc etc....by himself, Maguire has made blunders that entire defences as a collective would be embarrased to make.



This is the first time I've seen a compilation of his errors that include his Leicester and Hull days. He has always been meme-worthy. Playing for United has shone that spotlight on him. He might as well go to a smaller club for a couple of years. People would probably then stop scrutinizing him.

 

[b82REZ]

You meant a moo point

You mean moot

 

[InfiniteBoredom]

You mean moot

It’s a Friends reference.

 

[b82REZ]

It’s a Friends reference.

I'm not your friend, buddy.

 

[OL29]

I'm not your friend, buddy.

He’s not your buddy, pal.

 

[Foxbatt]

So the mistake wasn't the midfielders not tracking their runners?

I'm alarmed there's so many people who are ok with midfielders not tracking back or following their runners.

I'm not sure who Cruijff is but Johan Cruyff once said 'goalies are my first attacker, striker are my first defender', I'm pretty sure he be aghast at seeing midfielders allow deep runs literally right past them.

You can say that the whole team makes mistakes when a goal is scored. Sure the midfield made mistakes and so did Maguire. If you don't know Johan Cruijff then at least look at Google.

 

[Champ]

You can say that the whole team makes mistakes when a goal is scored. Sure the midfield made mistakes and so did Maguire. If you don't know Johan Cruijff then at least look at Google.

Finally you get it.

The incident in question Maguire didn't make a mistake, but that irrelevant now that you've agreed that the midfield did actually make a mistake also.

 

[JPRouve]

When did Pogba get booed by French fans? Apologies, was not aware of that.

I am not defending Maguire as a footballer, its more the off field abuse that is a bit OTT.

On the pitch, him and Pogba are similar, they have this deluded mentality that make it other peoples fault and not theirs. Maguire had been rubbish for us in the last year at least, he does not deserve to play, he isn't.

What Maguire hasn't done yet, which Pogba did to fuel fan anger is get his agent to keep saying he wants to leave, before big CL games, middle of the season, every time we have are in poor form, he wanted to leave.

Also, alot of fans blamed United for Pogba not being good enough saying we didnt unlock him, we failed him, not used him properly.... etc. there comes a point the player needs to take responsibility for his performances.

Several times before the 2016 Euros, the last game was I believe at Guingamp. Also I don't remember Pogba ever putting blame on his teammates, I remember him putting blame on himself when it wasn't deserved both for France and United.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

1) Varane hasn't recieved the abuse and unjust criticism that Maguire has.

2) So like Maguire he needs a certain type of player around him to perform to his best? Didn't Maguire get abuse for (allegadley) saying exactly that?

So many things wrong with this post.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Come on now, I don't like the abuse he's getting either but Maguire's been atrocious for over a season, and that's ignoring his patchy form in previous seasons. You can't seriously believe he started the season well for us?

Nobody started the season well for us. Including Martinez who was at fault for a few goals (more than Maguire). But like I said, I'm fine with Martinez and Varane being our starting central defense as they have looked good together. That doesn't change the fact that Martinez was lucky to even get that chance seeing as he was the one who got pulled at half time vs Brentford...

 

[SadlerMUFC]

I see you still dont have any valid points to make...

Which would still put me ahead of you

 

[SadlerMUFC]

So do you accept ETH has dropped Maguire because he feels Martinez and Varane are better than Maguire? But you’re still scratching your head not knowing why Maguire has been dropped?

Your defiant defence and unconditional excuses for everything Maguire related is actually quite cringe at this point. It’s like you are so deeply invested into flying that flag, you’d look a fool if you backed down now.

It was interesting to see you disappear off the scene when Martinez and Varane were performing brilliantly in Maguire’s absence yet you didn’t have any praise for them. And then you accuse everyone else of having an agenda. Amazing.

Do you have trouble reading. I clearly stated that I have no problem with Martinez and Varane being our starting central defense. And I didn't disappear. I am a United supporter, which means I support the team, not individual players. Do you seriously think I'd be butt hurt seeing us do well? Give your head a shake

 

[TrustInJanuzaj]

I actually find some of his interviews delusional. Recently he’s suggested…

"So, that is the reason they do it, they like the clicks, and things like that, but I went into the Euros after an eight-week injury, and did not play one game, and got into the team of the tournament.’

its a calculated response to a question, almost trying to justify himself by telling the world just how good he is to still get in team of the tournament.

instead of defending himself (which he’s got history for) he should perhaps be a little humble, acknowledge he’s not quite at it…and work damn hard to get back to some level of acceptable form.

I mean it’s a fact? Look at it objectivity and it’s clear what he’s saying. You’re part of the issue.,

 

[Lyng]

Which would still put me ahead of you

In the race for becoming Redcafes Gabby Aghbonlahor....

 

[little.triangles]

Spoiler

This is the first time I've seen a compilation of his errors that include his Leicester and Hull days. He has always been meme-worthy. Playing for United has shone that spotlight on him. He might as well go to a smaller club for a couple of years. People would probably then stop scrutinizing him.

Goodness, all those mistakes seem to happen in slow motion with the amount of time he takes on the ball. How the hell did we end up buying this guy?

 

[Footyislife]

Goodness, all those mistakes seem to happen in slow motion with the amount of time he takes on the ball. How the hell did we end up buying this guy?

Not only how, but why for so much. Clowns running the club.

Time for everyone to accept he's been a horrible signing. At his physical peak he could barely keep up, as he ages it will only get worst. Wish we had kept Bailly.

 

[Monks_United]

Goodness, all those mistakes seem to happen in slow motion with the amount of time he takes on the ball. How the hell did we end up buying this guy?

Horrible buy from us. Even when this deal was going through, you had plenty of Leicester fans rating Evans ahead of Maguire and honestly, I would have been happier even back then if we had gotten Jonny back instead of punting 80 mil on this guy. But I think he somehow fit the bill for the type of player United wanted to project at the time i.e. a leader (which he honestly wasn't even at Leicester), an English international and someone who could be the backbone of a United side wanting to get back to the top. The narrative became bigger than the facts and too many people bought into it. Contrast that to how it would have seemed if we had gotten Evans back. Would not fit into any of the narratives being driven for Maguire. Although Evans was and probably still is the better player (specially with the ball at his feet which we were supposedly aiming for).

 

[Bondi77]

His confidence must be right down at the moment especially after his big mistake against Germany but it is obvious we are going to need him to regain some type of form purely if we want to be competitive in all comps this year.
I wonder if Erik is putting his arm around his shoulder and having a heart to heart with him or is he really upping the ante on him in training to bring him up to the level that is required.