I see you’re a 10 0 0 kind of person when out of possessionA CM recklessly tracking back?
I've heard it all now!
If you're fine with opposition players picking the ball up ten yards from the edge of the box unopposed, being allowed to turn in space with zero pressure then that's cool, but we saw what happened when they do a few minutes after that situation!
I think of you sincerely believe that a player picking the ball up unopposed in that situation is fine, and not expecting CMs to 'recklessly' track back to create a defensive overload there really isn't anything to discuss, as that's basics of football in my opinion.
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He played a game and was rather average and cost his team (NT) a goal which happens almost every time he plays lately (I think its his super power at this point)
What do you think about Milan Skriniar replacing him/Lindelof ?
just 27yo and current contract ends in end of the season so he won't be expensive
Anyone seen this player lately and can tell about his form ? Is he even suit to ETH system ?
just 27yo and current contract ends in end of the season so he won't be expensive
Anyone seen this player lately and can tell about his form ? Is he even suit to ETH system ?
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He is getting the soft touch from large swathes of pundits in this country. If he was a foreign player he would be getting. A lot more stick from a United perspective.
The problem that I have is that his form for us hasn't been bad. The problem that I have is that people look for reasons to hate on him. They look for reasons to blame him. In the last game he played vs Brentford, it was Martinez that got pulled at half time, not Maguire. In fact, up until Martinez partnered Varane, it was Martinez who was at fault for quite a few goals, not Harry. But people looked for reasons to blame Harry, and if you look hard enough, you'll find something. Why Harry was dropped the next game, I have no idea, but I have no problem with Martinez and Varrane being our starting central defenders as they have been playing great. But this hate for Harry needs to stop. It is getting so bad that I won't be surprised if Harry one days has enough of it and enough of this world...
Lies....he was never protected. Stand up for him and stop being his biggest bullies
I agree he is, and to be honest I’m kind of glad at this point that they are. However, they are starting to turn on him which is going to cause him even more misery. Unless his form drastically changes and he becomes a regular, even part time in the United team then the last thing he should be doing is going to the World cup. For his own good that is.
I'm intelligent enough to realise that 5 on 5 at the back isn't a wise move in any game when out of possession.
You're kidding right? You think Fred, Rashford and Bruno get more abuse than Maguire? No point in even talking to you. You're delusional...
Rashford has had more abuse than Maguire if were covering the last few years.
From the first half of last year (2021) we got this:
https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/man...bused-footballers-twitter/blt083edc7881436168
Maguire is second, Rashford is third.
~Yeah Bruno and Fred were wrong and I looked at the wrong list for that, so ill admit to that being incorrect. I didnt source that correctly.
In 2020, Rashford was second highest athlete (not even just football) to get online abuse:
https://tribuna.com/en/news/manutd-...most-abused-athletes-on-social-media-in-2020/
Maguire isnt on that list.
This isnt a competition anyway, so its going against the point.
If however you want to prove that Maguire gets more abuse than Rashford, im happy to be proven wrong. But again, you say 'we are the biggest abusers'. Who is we?
United fans? United online fans? Its not match going fans. You cant lump the whole global fanbase together. Youve thrown out a statement with nothing to back it up (context or otherwise)
And I'm sick of his face after he makes the mistake we all know he will do. Every single game he has featured in he cocks up and costs a goal. Get rid. Rip up contract , anything just get rid.
Your first mistake is having a tiktok account.
What's interesting about Maguire’s performance threads per season is that they are an identikit with the year altered.
I've had enough time lately to go back to the origin thread and the discussions are the same.
It's incredulous.
I've had enough time lately to go back to the origin thread and the discussions are the same.
It's incredulous.
I think the better choice was not to clatter into the German forward and take himself out of the phase of play
We are going around in circles here,
With people refusing to agree that midfielders should be tracking the midfield runners (which is just downright bizarre for people who claim to watch football) it appears that all ills in the defensive game falls squarely on Maguire!
Could Maguire of done better in particular scenario? Possibly, but only by winning the ball, what he did do was make it more difficult for the person on the ball to do anything with it.
Again, if the midfield tracked the runner (which they didn't, same applies to Havertz goal) then the situation would have been well and truly averted.
The mistake here and consistently throughout the game for England was midfield not tracking back, happened time and time again, especially in the second half when Germany changed their system slightly.
No - he'd be an improvement, but we can do better for the price.
You're going in circles - midfielders can lose tracking another midfielder depending how the phase of play developed - after all you're not suggesting man marking in midfield?
So given the situation developing in front of Slab Head, he should have chosen to mark the space instead of clattering into the German forward and exposing himself to an easy 1-2.
Fecking hell
The job a a midfielder is to track runners, in this particular instance there was a player with the ball, who played it between the line then ran past two England players, two fecking players, neither of whom ran with him, that is the mistake in this passage of play, it also happened for Havertz' goal too, a lack of desire by the midfielders to track back or put the press on.
Maguire marks the space he has allowed the German player ten yards on the edge of the box, with the freedom to turn/shoot or pass, which would have been more criminal.
As Delph would say, these are basic principles of football! Play percentages and trust your teammates to do the basics, like track their runners.
You aren't even trying to argue in good faith. He was terrible against Brentford (De Gea was only worse IMO) and at fault for the 4th goal for allowing Toney to run in behind him. It clear to anyone who has watched recently that backline is much more mobile and the ball moves much quicker.
Don't understand your defense at all cost of Maguire. It's odd.
Wow! Will have to give that a read. My insightful contribution to that thread shows my investment at the time, so I guess I'm late!
Fecking hell
The job a a midfielder is to track runners, in this particular instance there was a player with the ball, who played it between the line then ran past two England players, two fecking players, neither of whom ran with him, that is the mistake in this passage of play, it also happened for Havertz' goal too, a lack of desire by the midfielders to track back or put the press on.
Maguire marks the space he has allowed the German player ten yards on the edge of the box, with the freedom to turn/shoot or pass, which would have been more criminal.
As Delph would say, these are basic principles of football! Play percentages and trust your teammates to do the basics, like track their runners.
He doesn't need to commit recklessly - wtf. Look you don't understand a thing about defending - no wonder you're standing up for Harry Maguire like he was Franco Baresi incarnate.
A lot of people confuse criticism with abuse. And on the flip side a lot of people also confuse abuse with criticism. By criticism what I mean are football related issues eg ability, form, interview etc. Funnily enough, when they confuse each probably also has a lot to do with their own opinion of the player.
Bruno for example gets a lot of criticism from some fans for footballing issues most notably final 3rd issues. Whether or not you agree with it you can’t say it’s abuse.
With Maguire it’s the same, plus frustration at how protected he is by pundits, media, other players, our ex managers and silly things within his control that he does for PR that fail.
The most abused player (in recent times) I think was Pogba. It didn’t take racial or religious abuse. But you had professionals on TV talking about him with venom and hatred, criticising his personal life and going beyond the realms of form and football. This obviously influenced some fans.
So I’ve blabbered on but I do think we need to distinguish between criticisms and abuse. Otherwise “abuse” will become a shield that some players will hide behind, with the backing of the media, to stifle legitimate debate. While other players continue to get attacked on a personal level by so-called professionals which then filters down to the fan base.
There is clearly a small group of players in every generation, usually 1 or 2, who the English media and ex pro’s want to make beyond criticism. Players who for whatever reason will start in every major tournament regardless of form, fineness and sometimes even injury and often to the detriment of the national team.
In the past it was kind of understandable because the England squad usually lackied depth and those 1 or 2 player at their best were world class. But now it doesn’t the England squad has lots of very good players in most positions, and the difference amongst the competing CB is not that huge.
Let it go.
Harry leaving his position reminded me of David Luiz adventures against Germany at the world cup. Watch the gameplay from 0:16 to 0:25 when he leaves the position to tackle, only to lose the man leading to germany goal.
1. He said doesn't read social media
2. The manager selects captaincy
3. Maguire already said he needs to work hard to get his place back in the team and accepted why he is benched.
4. Childish
So don't know where you get the idea he's dug a hole as he's not blamed anyone else, or you got some quotes from Harry himself blaming others?
Was discussing Maguire with a mate earlier today. The point he made was simple enough: the fact (and it is a fact) that Harry is nowhere near as bad as he's looked recently doesn't really matter (for United). He's been hyped up and priced up to the point where people expect him to be a world class defender. And - worst of all - he likely believes the hype himself. But...he just isn't that and he never was.
The likelihood of him settling down as a decent bench option for United (which he could be, in theory) is slim to nil. Getting back his confidence (which is crucial) would mean going back to starting regularly for United - and he shouldn't be doing that (we should have - and do have now - better alternatives).
It's best for all parties if he can be moved on, but (as we all know) he's on an ungodly salary which will make him unattractive for the level of club he's actually right for (as a starter and a captain).
The likelihood of him settling down as a decent bench option for United (which he could be, in theory) is slim to nil. Getting back his confidence (which is crucial) would mean going back to starting regularly for United - and he shouldn't be doing that (we should have - and do have now - better alternatives).
It's best for all parties if he can be moved on, but (as we all know) he's on an ungodly salary which will make him unattractive for the level of club he's actually right for (as a starter and a captain).
I think the chances of getting rid of Maguire are slim to none. As you mentioned, his wages will be a stumbling block and I cant see him going to a team that has no chance of qualifying for the champions League. Our best hope is that he finds some form and pushes our other center backs for a place in the team.
guys a fecking joke, Rashford obviously receives more abuse, got fecking hammered with racial abuse from scum after the Euros. He’s just venting cause its hurting so bad that daddy is shit
He is definitely better than Maguire but I think Skriniar is 100% going to psg for free next summer, they wanted him this summer and you know they will cough up crazy money to make even more of a mockery off ffp
Every time Maguire does something like this (and he often makes the exact split second decision, with the same result, so it’s definitely a preferred trait rather than panicking) someone always pipes up with the “he did the right thing because someone else should’ve picked up the space that he left” defence and it’s utter bollocks. Look at the space he leaves, how can you possibly think that that area is less dangerous if someone runs into it than having the ball 20 yards out with midfielders tracking back, a settled defence and Maguire in position to cover a potential shot from outside the box? If a player having the ball in that position where he’s receiving it is a high calibre scoring chance then every game would end 7-7 because players end up with the ball in that position tons of times every game.
Both England and Manchester United have shown over an extended period that they cannot and do not adequately cover the centre half areas that his majesty Harry Maguire sees fit to vacate at his own choosing, yet we have people who still think that he should vacate obviously dangerous areas because he “should expect someone else to cover the space”. How much evidence does he need that the space will not be covered? 10 conceded goals? 15? 100? At which point will you ever admit that “hmm maybe he shouldn’t be doing that”?
How about he just doesn’t vacate it considering he’s not quick enough to a) do what he intends to do, ie intercept the player receiving the ball, or failing that, foul him to stop the attack, or b) get back in position in case a) fails (which is very often).
No he shouldn’t have stepped out when the player is receiving the ball before he has even made a move
This is exactly how I’m feeling.
The trouble is people spent years denying the evidence we saw since as far back as Project Restart , he’s never been that good.
I partly blame the pundits for that tbh, he was one of the most protected players in recent memory by the media for whatever reason over the last few years while many of his squadmates got absolutely slaughtered at the same time.
Just look at how quickly they were waiting and ready to jump all over Martinez's back after the first 2 matches of the season in comparison...
Some of the criticism can be OTT when it takes a personal nature, as with criticism of any player, but I also think there's been a reaction to the way he's been handled with kid gloves in the press that plays a part to how fans perceive him.
This whole post is a car crash comedy.
The best part is you can’t understand why Harry got dropped.
I keep hearing from his defenders that he suffers terrible abuse online. I genuinely don’t see people abusing him online. Whether it’s Twitter or on here. I just see people repeatedly saying he’s shit. That’s not abuse, that’s just an observation. I would actually call it an educated opinion.
And there it is ...ran out of anything coherent to say so you end up resorting to 'you don't understand a thing'. Despite not knowing anything about me!
I'll think I'll leave this one here, obviously it's ran it's course with you having nothing else of any merit to say.
We have pundits criticizing Martinez for being short , something he can't control , he just take it to his chin and deliver masterclass performance week in week out. We need more characters like him in the team not this weakling like Maguire.
I'd take 10 times the abuse Maguire gets to earn 1/10th of what he earn. The reason footballer are getting massive wage is because they are public figure therefore must also handle public criticism or public abuse that came along respective of their performance.
People can even throw death threat for me and actually attempt it, i will just hire 24/7 armed security with AK-47 if i was paid 200k p/w what's the fuss.
Go become a CEO of some companies if you want massive wage but doesn't want the public abuse. Anyone who earn 200k p/w shouldn't be crying over what john from liverpool or cong cing from Vietnam is sending from twitter / instagram. If he couldn't handle it then find smaller club with less pressure to perform or just quit football and become an accountant. Haven't see Ronaldo crying either even though he was probably the most abused footballer ever.
Exactly, look at the dog abuse Pogba and Lukaku were getting from media and pundits. The reason people wanted to "bully" Maguire is because how much he was protected by those people. Trust me, if any of the pundits and media just say it what it is about Maguire such as about how he doesn't deserve to be United Captain , about how stupid United is for spending 80m for him ( those same people keep questioning Pogba price tag by the way so it's not impossible to say it publicly ) or if any of them just straight called him shit , he would be getting much less online abuse.
I'd take 10 times the abuse Maguire gets to earn 1/10th of what he earn. The reason footballer are getting massive wage is because they are public figure therefore must also handle public criticism or public abuse that came along respective of their performance.
People can even throw death threat for me and actually attempt it, i will just hire 24/7 armed security with AK-47 if i was paid 200k p/w what's the fuss.
Go become a CEO of some companies if you want massive wage but doesn't want the public abuse. Anyone who earn 200k p/w shouldn't be crying over what john from liverpool or cong cing from Vietnam is sending from twitter / instagram. If he couldn't handle it then find smaller club with less pressure to perform or just quit football and become an accountant. Haven't see Ronaldo crying either even though he was probably the most abused footballer ever.
Exactly, look at the dog abuse Pogba and Lukaku were getting from media and pundits. The reason people wanted to "bully" Maguire is because how much he was protected by those people. Trust me, if any of the pundits and media just say it what it is about Maguire such as about how he doesn't deserve to be United Captain , about how stupid United is for spending 80m for him ( those same people keep questioning Pogba price tag by the way so it's not impossible to say it publicly ) or if any of them just straight called him shit , he would be getting much less online abuse.
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The Greece incident is a prime example. Countless examples of poor displays prior but the narrative is given weight simply by how many times it’s repeated so people act as if it’s some turning point.
The exhibition we’ve bore witness to, in particular over the past year, is the single worst run of poor form of any player I can remember post Fergie. No player was afforded as many opportunities to play as badly.
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