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SilentWitness said:
Is he saying that to prove something to your or United fans though or to prove to himself?
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If you look around here or at Tw*tter, you’ll find some hundred ‘fans’ writing some thousand armchair scapegoating posts. Or some thousand writing some million maybe. It’s like the anonymous snapchat bullying you find sometimes in high school.

The reason a lot of coaches and players have spoken out against it, is that they see it, and are rightfully disgusted by it, even though it doesn’t help Maguire much. Scapegoating groupthink is one of the basest social mechanisms of humanity. You can’t prove anything to such mindless operators, but it’s probably difficult not to want to try when thirty journalists asks you about it every weekend for a few years on end.

Maguire had a good tournament once again, this time in a back four. Not scintillating, or as important as last EC, but probably one of the best 5-10 CBs of the tournament, from what I’ve seen.

If he wins back a starting spot at United, then I’ll be really impressed, because two Ten Hag has two of the five best CB’s of the tourno to choose from, and their style matches him better to begin with.
 
He's much better suited to International football than Premier League football, especially the way Southgate sets up the England team. He needs to go in the summer though for the sake of his own career. It's alright saying keep him as a backup, but would you honestly want him playing a long run of games if Varane/Martinez get injured?
 
He'll start on boxing day

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Wasn't terrible, but didn't pull up any trees either. Solid, but the slower pace of the game suited him.

West Ham would be an ideal place for him.
 
SilentWitness said:
Is he saying that to prove something to your or United fans though or to prove to himself?
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It's just another 'Albania' or 'Every manager has picked me, so I must be doing something right' moment. Of course he'll deny everything again when challenged but yeah, for sure it's aimed at his haters/doubters.
 
Herman Toothrot said:
Makes team of the tournament yet again.
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Suppose he did well againt Iran (people blamed him for a goal if i remember correctly), Senegal, USA and Wales. Was too late to prevent Giroud (first striker that is ''recognised'' as a good striker he faced all tournament) from scoring though. Might add to his value but who cares that he makes team of the tournament... he cant even make first team when he is playing for Manchester United.

Still hoping ten Hag sells him soon rather than late. All the extra money for a new striker, right back and midfielder will be helpfull.
 
Volumiza said:
Harry Maguire in ‘he is a good player’ shocker. Some on here won’t like that.

He’s kept out some big names. Fair play on the lad.
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Well here’s hoping he keeps up the good form. It’ll be desperately needed.
 
Was good enough when we played as defensively as England did. When trying to play on the front foot though, his lack of pace and agility gets exposed
 
No way Maguire is selected over others. Skysports or whatever the organisation is obviously trolling and trying to get more people to comment and like on their team of the tournament.
 
Imagine being a supporter of a team and then being butt hurt when one of your own players gets voted to team of the tournament for the world cup. I can't make this shit up. Some of our fans are pure toxic...
 
Glorio said:
Was good enough when we played as defensively as England did. When trying to play on the front foot though, his lack of pace and agility gets exposed
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England were not defensive in this tournament it's probably fair to say united under ten hag so far have been more defensive then England were at the world cup.

It's not to do with the set up it's to do with the cover. Maguire likes to step forward and win the ball high up the pitch he is actually quite good at it but of course occasionally he gets done doing it. When this happens for England he has a CB alongside who is pretty quick and willing got cover a DM in front who is a good reader of the game and gets across and a GK who is willing to sweep from a high starting position.

For united he basically has none of that or has had none of that. He mainly partnered Lindelof who isnt very quick and not that good covering, played Infront of De Gea a GK with the worst sweeping stats in the league and a DM partnership of mcfred neither of whom are actually DM's and have poor positional sense.

Looked much better partnering Varane or Bailly but both are injury prone and Bailly was wildly inconsistent. And also looked much better playing Infront of Henderson who is a much proactive GK who was very willing to play high and sweep.

To get the best out of Maguire you have to cover for his weaknesses, at united that has never happened consistently and more often than not he has been left very exposed.
 
Maguire had a good tournament for England at the World Cup. He did in the Euros last time out as well, to be fair to him.

He needs that to translate to club level now. He'll likely have the opportunity to play two or three in a row for us before Varane and Martinez are back. If he can come through those games without any cock ups, it would do him and us a world of good.
 
CM10 said:
Maguire had a good tournament for England at the World Cup. He did in the Euros last time out as well, to be fair to him.

He needs that to translate to club level now. He'll likely have the opportunity to play two or three in a row for us before Varane and Martinez are back. If he can come through those games without any cock ups, it would do him and us a world of good.
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No he didn't, him and the entire England squad were average but looked decent against teams they should have been beating. There was nothing "good" about the tournament in regards to performances.

He can't do it at club level because the level of competition is much higher than Iran.
 
crossy1686 said:
No he didn't, him and the entire England squad were average but looked decent against teams they should have been beating. There was nothing "good" about the tournament in regards to performances.

He can't do it at club level because the level of competition is much higher than Iran.
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You can argue semantics about whether he was 'decent' or 'good', I really don't care. He started every match in a big tournament for England and never really came unstuck. In the last Euros, Maguire was one of England's best players when they got to the final.

Maguire's problems at United are largely confidence based. He was never ever worth £80m and probably shouldn't have been given the captaincy either - but both of those things were factors outside of his control. He clearly has difficulty coping with the level of scrutiny on him at United, but that doesn't mean he can't contribute against the likes of Burnley and Forest in the next two games. Are teams like that really much better than the likes of Wales and Senegal, if at all?

I get there will always be questions marks over him, and he will likely be replaced at some point. But when it gets obsessional to the point of trying to discredit him for games where he has actually done nothing wrong, that is just strange and counter productive.
 
CM10 said:
You can argue semantics about whether he was 'decent' or 'good', I really don't care. He started every match in a big tournament for England and never really came unstuck. In the last Euros, Maguire was one of England's best players when they got to the final.

Maguire's problems at United are largely confidence based. He was never ever worth £80m and probably shouldn't have been given the captaincy either - but both of those things were factors outside of his control. He clearly has difficulty coping with the level of scrutiny on him at United, but that doesn't mean he can't contribute against the likes of Burnley and Forest in the next two games. Are teams like that really much better than the likes of Wales and Senegal, if at all?

I get there will always be questions marks over him, and he will likely be replaced at some point. But when it gets obsessional to the point of trying to discredit him for games where he has actually done nothing wrong, that is just strange and counter productive.
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Good post
 
CM10 said:
You can argue semantics about whether he was 'decent' or 'good', I really don't care. He started every match in a big tournament for England and never really came unstuck. In the last Euros, Maguire was one of England's best players when they got to the final.

Maguire's problems at United are largely confidence based. He was never ever worth £80m and probably shouldn't have been given the captaincy either - but both of those things were factors outside of his control. He clearly has difficulty coping with the level of scrutiny on him at United, but that doesn't mean he can't contribute against the likes of Burnley and Forest in the next two games. Are teams like that really much better than the likes of Wales and Senegal, if at all?

I get there will always be questions marks over him, and he will likely be replaced at some point. But when it gets obsessional to the point of trying to discredit him for games where he has actually done nothing wrong, that is just strange and counter productive.
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He started every game and was fine, but the constant need to talk Maguire up as some sort of foil against those that are desperate to slam him at every opportunity is equally weird. He was fine, he played a decent world cup like the whole England team but no one was good by any stretch of the imagination. It's not semantics, it's using the wrong vocabulary to describe something, it's possibly pedantic and I'll give you that.

I don't care about his value or whether or not he was up to playing for United, let alone captain. He will and should start our next couple of games because that's what backup players do, they play the games against weaker opposition or when your main players are out of action.

Again, I'm not trying to discredit anyone but I will challenge this notion that anyone who played for England had a 'good' world cup.
 
crossy1686 said:
No he didn't, him and the entire England squad were average but looked decent against teams they should have been beating. There was nothing "good" about the tournament in regards to performances.

He can't do it at club level because the level of competition is much higher than Iran.
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England's only poor performance was against the US. In every other game they played they were the better team, including against France...
 
SadlerMUFC said:
England's only poor performance was against the US. In every other game they played they were the better team, including against France...
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They were not the better team against France, they didn't look like scoring a goal in open play.

And in every other game, including against the US, they had a largely better squad.
 
crossy1686 said:
No he didn't, him and the entire England squad were average but looked decent against teams they should have been beating. There was nothing "good" about the tournament in regards to performances.

He can't do it at club level because the level of competition is much higher than Iran.
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100% right in my opinion. Looking good in the qualifying rounds does not cross over to the Premier League.
 
Good luck finding a non-blinkered foreign outlet putting him in the world cup team of the tournament.

Hell even within the UK press it's just Sky Sports who have him in. Deluded.
 
crossy1686 said:
I do, proof is in the pudding. England failed to score in open play, had all the possession in their own half and had poor xG when you remove the 1.52 xG that accounts for the penalties.
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So failed to score means they didn't threaten? Didn't Maguire hit the post? Guess that doesn't count. But go on...carry on the agenda
 
SadlerMUFC said:
So failed to score means they didn't threaten? Didn't Maguire hit the post? Guess that doesn't count. But go on...carry on the agenda
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I saw him completely miss a free header because he can't accurately head the ball to save his life.
 
Big man can’t catch a break can he? Would have been the perfect match for him to play but he’s just had no luck at Utd this season. Shame as when Licha and Varane return he’s condemned to rot.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
So failed to score means they didn't threaten? Didn't Maguire hit the post? Guess that doesn't count. But go on...carry on the agenda
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When Maguire missed that sitter it was not open play, it was from a free kick. Apparently he was offside anyways so doesn’t matter.
 
SadlerMUFC said:
So failed to score means they didn't threaten? Didn't Maguire hit the post? Guess that doesn't count. But go on...carry on the agenda
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:lol: agenda!

As an English bloke living aboard I would love nothing more than England to be good but outside of Blighty you don't get people bigging up players that were average because you want them to be good.

And yes, you're right, hitting the post, having a bunch of shots down the keepers throat do not count as goals and do not mean you deserve to win.
 
crossy1686 said:
I do, proof is in the pudding. England failed to score in open play, had all the possession in their own half and had poor xG when you remove the 1.52 xG that accounts for the penalties.
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So when you remove the two clearest scoring opportunities of the game, we looked like scoring fewer? Wow, what incisive analysis. It was an even game that I'd argue England shaded but to say 'let's take the penalties out of the equation' because it doesn't suit the point you're trying to make is disingenuous.
 
Pickle85 said:
So when you remove the two clearest scoring opportunities of the game, we looked like scoring fewer? Wow, what incisive analysis. It was an even game that I'd argue England shaded but to say 'let's take the penalties out of the equation' because it doesn't suit the point you're trying to make is disingenuous.
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As I said, without the penalties England hardly looked like scoring and they were not the better team. People have convinced themselves England were the better team because they had more possession and more xG. Go check the heat maps and see where that possession was and remove penalties from the xG to get the real picture of how the game went. The point I made is valid if you're trying to suggest England were the better team.
 
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