Is pace at CB position important for Ten Hag team?
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Pace at CB is always important. If you aren’t quick though, you have to be a colossus in other parts of your game. Or you end up being Maguire
He did play with de Ligt and Blind as centre backs when they almost reached the CL final. Both arent known to be speedsters... If you have the ball and are in control the lack of speed doesnt matter that much. Different story when opponent launches a counter.... so no pace is fine as long as you are in control which is what ETH want to achieve. If it is realistic to play with a high line and try to control the match in the Premier League and have no pace/agility (read : Harry Maguire) at the back is yet too be seen.
City's CB's never had that much pace, though they make up for it with Walker just being a sweeper. Anyway, my guess is Varane would start as he's the higher reputation CB anyway and suits Martinez better IMO.
It really isn’t. At all.
Well, he was absolutely ridiculed a few seasons back and now some people think he was our best player last term. Not me, but I've read it here.
When Martinez gets here I just don't know how we can justify starting him over literally any other CB option we have. Imagine benching Varane for Maguire, no other top club would be mad enough to do that.
It's either a case of play three at the back or bench him for me.
It's either a case of play three at the back or bench him for me.
He's not coming to sit on the bench next to Bailly, and he must have had some assurances from ETH before stumping for this move. ETH has some big decisions to make.
In case it wasn't clear I'm talking about benching Maguire not Martinez.
CBs deal with lot of 1v1 in possession sides, so CB dealing with 1v1 is very important.
Ah ha, it wasn't clear to me, I thought you were saying the opposite.
Ten Hag prioritising Maguire on the right over Lindelof against Melbourne. Let's see how he fares.
Started well...
Same old 
Lead boots on. Hopeless fecker.
My guess is to get him used to the right hand side for when Lisandro comes in on the left
We aren't learning anything about Maguire that we didn't know already. He has no recovery pace.
You contrast how Klopp has built his team to high press by making sure all of his slow centre backs e.g., Klavan, Lovren were replaced by pace e.g., Van Dijk and Konate. You see the issue.
Maguire will always be a liability for us if we want to use the high press.
You contrast how Klopp has built his team to high press by making sure all of his slow centre backs e.g., Klavan, Lovren were replaced by pace e.g., Van Dijk and Konate. You see the issue.
Maguire will always be a liability for us if we want to use the high press.
Hopefully Ten Hag gets to see what he's about first hand. So far so good.
Exactly. Not suited for high press. Horrificly slow.
None of City’s centre halves are quick. Klopp also played a high line with Hummels who is as slow as Maguire.
Yes but I don't think it's a certainty. He still has lots to prove.
Not only too slow for a modern CB but his positioning is all over the place
I feel like I see Maguire ‘sprinting’ back into position at least once every match
Fecking rubbish
I feel like I see Maguire ‘sprinting’ back into position at least once every match
Fecking rubbish
Maguire has very poor reaction time and ability to concentrate.
That's why whichever defence he takes part in leaks goals.
see the stats below:
Sheffield 11-12: 51 goals conceded in LEAGUE ONE
Sheffield 12-13: 42 goals conceded in LEAGUE ONE
Sheffield 13-14: 46 goals conceded in LEAGUE ONE
Wigan 14-15: 64 goals conceded in CHAMPIONSHIP
Hull City 15-16: 35 goals conceded in CHAMPIONSHIP
Hull City 16-17: 80 goals conceded in Premier League
Leicester: 17-18: 60 goals conceded in Premier League
Leicester: 18-19: 48 goals conceded in Premier League
Man Utd: 19-20: 36 goals conceded in Premier League
Man Utd: 20-21: 44 goals conceded in Premier League
Man Utd: 20-21: 57 goals conceded in Premier League
City's centre halves don't need to be quick cos Kyle Walker is out there bailing them out. Goes without saying the Premier League and the German League are very different, hence Klopp's modifications since he was at Dortmund.
I don’t recall City’s defence crumbling during the 18 games Walker didn’t play last season.
Hummels was a better player than Maguire anyway
If Maguire is chasing back then unfortunately it is the team structure and the coach's shortcomings. You won't like to hear that.
It would be nice if he could sprint back and outpace strikers yeah but not that common in centre backs. We need to have a good press so that we can play a high line. Any top manager would tell you that. If you guys really think pep would say the key to a high line is having defenders that can sprint back and outpace strikers multiple times a game you are nuts
It would be nice if he could sprint back and outpace strikers yeah but not that common in centre backs. We need to have a good press so that we can play a high line. Any top manager would tell you that. If you guys really think pep would say the key to a high line is having defenders that can sprint back and outpace strikers multiple times a game you are nuts
I agree but that’s not what I’m getting at. I’m disputing the idea the centre halves need to be quick to play in a high line. It’s just absolute rubbish created by kids on Twitter.
The fact that you put up 36 goals conceded there when it was second best in the league kinda undermines the intelligence of your post
He's a really poor footballer across the board. The best thing ETH can do is put Maguire himself out of his misery and move him on. Send him to Newcastle or something.
Genuinely looks like one of our worst center backs for some time now, no comment on captaincy but purely footballing ability I don't see it, really hoping he builds some form and recaptures what others did see in him
It is important for most defenders but not mandatory. It becomes more important when you want to play a higher line. Of course defenders can have other attributes which they excel in. However, I fear Maguire doesn’t have enough of everything else to be able to comfortably play high line football. All his “success” has come from playing deeper in counter attack systems or in a back 3 with England.
Intrigued what people criticising Maguire for the goal would have had him do instead? We know he's not quick, if Lindelof is going to step up as the ball is played he has to win the ball otherwise we'd be in trouble even if Maguire was quicker. I'm all for critique where fair but if Maguire was sat deeper in that moment then we'd all be up in arms that he was too deep. Or are we saying he should have been higher up alongside Lindelof? There is criticism to be levelled but it seems the main criticism is that he just wasn't fast enough which is a the one thing he can't control. It's utter shite from Heaton as well.
We had the 2nd best defence in the league in 20/21. We played the 4th highest defensive line in the league.
what about 10 other seasons?
your post shows how delusional Maguire apologists are.
They are not interested in being rational. It’s just getting weird at this point how he’s blamed for every goal we concede.
I'd start each and everyone of our other CB options ahead of him. Apart from maybe Jones.
Yes but that's like saying if you leave your front door open and you get robbed its because of the robber. Leaving your front door doesn't give anyone the right to burgle you. But if you do it you massively increase the risk of it.
Nobody's structure and press is so perfect that they never, ever concede counter attacks. So the club needs to make allowance for the fact that, once, twice, thrice, whatever they will be broken on and they need players who can defend 1v1 in those situations.
It is not his fault that he lacks the positioning, the leadership and the pace to play/organise a high line defence
Always winds me up something terrible when I see his name and that (c) next to it on the teamsheet. No way will he be starting ahead of Varane/Martinez/Bailly.
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