It is utterly bizarre. I remember if coming up over and over last season as well. You almost wonder if the poster in question was exiled from the United Stand or didn't have one of their super chats read out.
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Bollocks. What is a progressive pass? All he does is play a long pass to the right once all the opposition players have got back into shape and settled down.
He is not an elite CB. If he was not British they would be on his back all the time.
That money could and should have been spent somewhere else on midfield.
Ole has made him captain too and we can't drop him..
He is not an elite CB. If he was not British they would be on his back all the time.
That money could and should have been spent somewhere else on midfield.
Ole has made him captain too and we can't drop him..
Or half that money could have been spent on a better CB.
I think we rushed his inury return and we paid the price.
Stats weren't present in football then in they way they are now. But you can bet that if they were then someone like Ferdinand would have excelled in that regard and it would indeed have been used to highlight how good he was on the ball. You shouldn't be surprised that people aren't making 1990s arguments in 2021.
Regardless, the reason stats have become prevalent in football over the last few decades is exactly because they demonstrate things that aren't always apparent through clouds of subjectivity and intense bias. Like the ones that fill up every player performance thread, for example.
In this case they demonstrate that Maguire is central to our ability to actually progress the ball out of defence. You can take that as an argument in favour of Maguire if you like, or you could perhaps with more insight wonder what our reliance on Harry Maguire in this regard tells you about the way the rest of our team functions and the flaws in other positions. Either way, if people are asking why we don't drop Maguire then this is a big part of the reason.
Maguire can’t be dropped any time soon, but his firm has been abysmal for the better part of 12 months now. Concern is warranted, although it’s way too early to seriously consider moving him on or back to Leicester City.
Presumably a progressive pass is a forward one. In which case being a centre back for a team with a lot of the ball means it'd be an easy thing to do.
I don't think Leicester can afford his contract & probably are not too interested in taking him back. Leicester try to buy with a profit in mind & I don't think there is any money to be made on Maguire.
One of the most useless stats i have ever seen.
Not a single player is in good form in the PL except De gea.
I'm not that worried. Sure he is overpriced but that never bothers me because what's done is done.
Why blame the player for the price the club was willing to pay?
I'm not that worried. Sure he is overpriced but that never bothers me because what's done is done.
Why blame the player for the price the club was willing to pay?
Did this guy really come out and blame covid?
@SadlerMUFC That’s a pretty weird obsession you got there.
God damn alot of those CB's need to adapt to be good enough for the modern game.
I know this is an autocorrect from "Daley" to "Delay", but I feel "Delay" really suits Maguire to a T.
Oh my... i knew it was bad but i didnt know it was that bad.
Edit : a bit like Harry Maguire this season
Youre not wrong. Thats Harry Maguire 101.
He's been absolutely woeful this season. If this keeps up for another month or so, he's going to lose the patience and goodwill of most of the fanbase. By then his captaincy will be untenable.
I'm pretty sure you put those defenders in our defence today and we will be rock solid at the back. Modern game or not top centre backs will always show their class.
Bet you he is his family member or someone close to him. Remember one of our players got butthurt from criticism and his family member complained over it ? Thats our captain
What a fecking disgusting human bloke. Jeez, some people should stop smoking shit.
He really is not. The only thing that shows is that he has the ball way to much when he is playing. What this fails to take into account is how many of those passes lead to actual chances. When he has the ball he moves it forward, often because he is not seibg the faster better pass. His constant padding the ball while moving slowly forward or passing the ball slightly forward to the left back who has moved forward will only help to boost this useless stat.
His price tag and making him captain has actually been a problem. We can’t drop him or move him on, because he is too expensive and not worth it and he is the captain.
this is the first thing I would of liked to of seen Ralf change. The captaincy. You never know he might even play better without the pressure.
this is the first thing I would of liked to of seen Ralf change. The captaincy. You never know he might even play better without the pressure.
I actually find Goldbridge annoying. I think you're just a Maguire fangirl. You like his big chiseled slabhead and fridge of a body. You can't come to term with the facts that your crush's performances have been below par this season. He needs upgrading if Man Utd are to move forward. Nothing personal
It's not Goldbridge that people should listen to. It's Rafa Van der Vaart.
"Maguire is so shit"
"Maguire is so shit"
What does progressive passes mean? if its about forwards passes then it can be stat padded easily. Wouldnt most CB pass forward anyway...? behind them theres only the keeper. Hell even most RB/LB start ahead of CB in their default positions. So passing to Shaw counts as a forsrd pass.
Just wondering what it will take for him to be dropped? He has been stinking it up all year, costing us goals, and causing nervousness throughout the defence. You can even see teams are starting to target him.
I would seriously consider selling him in the summer while we can get some money back.
I would seriously consider selling him in the summer while we can get some money back.
The point of this far from useless stat isn't to track what passes create chances, nor do I know why you'd expect your CB to be creating chances anyway. It's to track how the ball gets from back to front. Which anyone with even half a brain should be able to see the use of.
But the bold is exactly what I'm alluding to. The question to ask is why there is so much pressure on him to progress the ball forward as other players in defence/midfield aren't making those passes. In terms of the Newcastle game there were extenuating circumstances given the way our midfield set-up in the second-half but in general ball progression has been a big problem in our team. Which decreases the liklihood of dropping one of the player who actually moves the ball forward in any way, even when they don't play well.
Or to put it another way: if people want Maguire replaced, then we desperately need it to be with another CB who is excellent on the ball and/or we need our fullbacks & midfielders to do a lot more when it comes to moving the ball from back to front.
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Just kicking the ball forwards isn't a progressive pass. It has to do with how long the ball travels and from where (where the passer is positioned when making the pass). A defender needs to pass it much longer compared to a player in the final third in order for the pass to count as progressive. Some also take into consideration how many opponents the pass travels past (e.g. if the keeper kicks the ball thirty odd meters up the pitch to an unmarked player under zero pressure, this wouldn't count as progressive), etc.
By itself it is useless stats. Using those numbers by its own to defend a player is at best naive. Does it not matter if he could pass it earlier? or if newcastle tactics was to let him have the ball? People need to watch matches not isolated stats with little context.
Reports of him becoming more domesticated after Ronaldo arrival which makes sense i suppose
Im embarrassed that he's captain of United
Dark times my friend.
I actually rate Maguire, I don’t think he’s a great, but I feel he’s a level above anyone (Varane aside) that we’ve had since Rio and Vidic….that being said he’s been horrendous for so long that it’s now questionable that anyone we’ve had since Rio and Vidic wouldn’t be better currently.
Really think he needs to have the responsibility of captaincy taken off his shoulders. Am not one to subscribe to the idea that a great captain has to be Keano shouting and scowling to show leadership. However, I honestly can't say I've seen anything from Maguire where he shows leadership on the field whether it is to put an arm around, to scold others to do better or just really step up his game to lead by example when things are down. Off the pitch, in interviews he gives excuses and cliches yet doesn't back it up with performances.
He is going through some bad form right now but, he is a very good CB - should be given responsibility to just stick to get back to his primary job and excel at that.
He is going through some bad form right now but, he is a very good CB - should be given responsibility to just stick to get back to his primary job and excel at that.
Mirror says Bailly was emergency recalled for Burnley?
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-eric-bailly-afcon-25803359
Wonder if that means that Rangnick has had enough and is planning to bench Maguire.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/man-utd-eric-bailly-afcon-25803359
Wonder if that means that Rangnick has had enough and is planning to bench Maguire.
No it probably justmeans that he wants him back as cover rather than Phil Jones.
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