Sounds like us v City
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Sounds like us v City
They are also a professional team with professional players. San Marino’s players had to book time off work to play tonight.
Redcafe XI could put up a better fight and moan in Maguires ear every chance
Sign this goal scoring machine!!!
I hope this was done on purpose
San Marion.It's like I fecking woke up in some bizarro world when i see people praising players for playing well against part time footballers.
Laser guided heading for England.
Hexagon head for United.
Everything he does annoys me.
Hexagon head for United.
Everything he does annoys me.
So .. let me get this straight. He played well so y'all are annoyed?
Strange place.
Strange place.
It's San Marino for crying out loud.
It's like you praising your 14year old son for playing well against the u8 boys team.
It’s because the aerial defence in the PL is so much better than those of San Marino and Albania. Simple as that.Why is it his heading is so much more accurate for England? He miscues so many attacking headers for United. Could add 10 goals a season for us easily if he could head it properly
The worst teams in the champions league are still elite.
Have always been a fan of Maguire, although I have been frustrated with him recently. He seems waaaay off the pace for us, which is probably just burnout. The hands-to-the-ears gesture was a moment of stupidity - no doubt a reaction to the criticism he is rightly receiving as captain of a Manchester United side who have been utterly horrendous and thoroughly embarrassed by both of their greatest rivals in the space of 3 weeks. Ole would never do it, but the captaincy should go to Ronaldo or Bruno. Maguire just isn't an obvious leader for that team.
He played well for England not Manchester United . He played well against Andorra and San Marino. I'm not upset he played well but what's he's done is hardly worthy of any praise from a man utd fan.
He would obviously look better under a proper manager but I still dislike him. We will never be able to comfortably play a high line while he's here.
This is also partly due to De Gea.
Its mainly down to De Gea. Maguire and Varane will be fine playing a high line with a) A proper coach and b) a ball playing keeper who doesn't stay glued to his line.
Southgate was quoted as saying he has been playing while injured for a while. It kinda of make sense, imagine if you were asked to play through injury for club and country. You played badly despite making such sacrifices, and you get all these criticism directed at you for it and you can't really go to the press and slams the manager for asking you to make that sacrifice. Most of us would feel frustrated too. I really think he is not as bad as recent performances. Hope he recovers from this. There is a player in him, maybe not a captain.
Well everyone was happy when Ronaldo scored a hattrick including penalties against Luxembourg or Azerbaijan or some team recently. Highlighting what people thought was the potential form of a United player?
Why is that any different to Maguire scoring and people being happy?
Yeah exactly. Should have just said mainly.
I wouldn't even call Henderson a modern goalkeeper (or know he is good enough) - but he isn't exactly one who would sit on his line all day and let his defenders soak up a deeper pressure. Soon as he became our Number 1 last year - our defence was playing much further up the pitch.
It's why i always preferred Romero as our main Goalkeeper back in those days when we would let him play all our Europa League games. I'd have just let him be our No 1 - until we found the right replacement.
Why would you praise professional footballers for playing well against postmen, mechanics, cooks,.. ?
I can't speak for anyone else but I didn't care when Ronaldo scored those goals and I don't care now when Maguire scored. I'd rather they play well for their country than not but only to the degree it affects their club form.
I know they are but the point I was trying to make is that we’re still miles above them in terms of quality. My original argument was that Maguire plays a lot better for england then he does for united for whatever reason that may be and he’s always scoring on set pieces for them and not us.
Yup, Hummels is slow as feck but played a high line for most of his career.
A fast partner (see Varane/Boateng), and a keeper not afraid to sweep is all that is required.
Utter drivel. An absolute tonne of slow centre backs have played a high line successfully their entire careers.
A keeper not afraid to sweep is by far the most important factor when playing a high line.
I’m gonna go against the grain here and say it’s good to see him pick up some form and confidence against some cannon fodder.
He, like many before him, was stupidly rushed back from injury and he probably needed a couple of easy games to get going again. You know, kinda like the way we used to play a player recovering from injury in the reserves for a game or two, rather than throwing them directly in for a tricky away game in a side already struggling to feck for form.
He, like many before him, was stupidly rushed back from injury and he probably needed a couple of easy games to get going again. You know, kinda like the way we used to play a player recovering from injury in the reserves for a game or two, rather than throwing them directly in for a tricky away game in a side already struggling to feck for form.
Maguire clearly pushed the San Marino defender to get into the goal scoring position. He cannot really do that in the premier league as all the defenders will drop like flies when pushed.
Same for me. I ain't his biggest fan. I just find it fecked up the way the fanbase just so easily piles on the Maguire insults at any given opportunity. It's ok to not like a player but to insult him like that, so intensely and consistently is distasteful
Many have but I don't think that he is one of them, he lacks anticipation and his positioning is often initially relatively sloppy. I'm not saying it as a hater because despite everything, I still like the player in a low compact block. It's a bit like Skriniar or years ago Van Buyten, good players that can be very good when you play to their strength but can easily be exposed if their managers don't use their brains.
Just his name alone (A cross between Harry Potter and Jerry Maguire) is enough to let everyone know he is a Champion, a Hero...
I very much agree with this. It reminds me of when Villa Boas went to Chelsea, demanded John Terry play a high line and made him look like a lump. As soon as Villas-Boas was replaced though, and Chelsea reverted to a more defensive style of play, Terry started looking like a quality defender again.
Maguire will, in my opinion, never excel outside of a low/mid block reactive/counter attacking system. Indeed, many of Ole's players will never do so. The squad profile we have is built for absorbing pressure and breaking on transition. Trying to play differently has destroyed the confidence of most of them and now they don't even have the belief to do what they used to be good at. Maguire (and Shaw) are the obvious examples of this.
Its true, the mistakes Maguire has made this season have been inexcusable. I do not blame the coach for Maguire's lazy, absent minded defending in recent matches. However, I accept that when a player isn't comfortable in a set up it makes them hesitant, shaky and nervous. I think we've been seeing that from Maguire all season. That's why he's diving in on halfway against Almiron and being left for dead. He just hasn't settled into this idea of Ole's to: 'Play on the front foot.'
I really think he came back from injury too soon. Probably to save Ole. But it has been at great personal cost to himself. He is not worth the money we paid for him. But he is good enough to be in the starting 11. He will come back stronger from the international break. Get rid of the rustiness with a few easy games.
I fully agree and you highlighted an issue that I noticed with him at Leicester and was pointed out by Leicester fans on this forum. One of the reasons Maguire isn't an ideal leader is that he seemingly can't keep his mind settled when things go wrong, his nervousness seems to just spiral. Strangely enough it reminds me something that was mentioned about France and Pogba, apparently one of the keys to Pogba not losing his mind as often is that Griezmann and Varane talks to him and the midfield all the time, giving them instructions, I wonder if Varane and someone else in midfield can have that influence on Maguire because if we do, I won't worry about him.
There is a huge difference in that and kids, which I quoted....
And secondly, is professional players only subject to criticism against lower rates teams? For me that's a very weird take. If that's your opinion you dont know much about human psychology
Of courseI hope this was done on purpose
he has just been out of form. It actually happens. At his best he is a top defender
I find it weird that most don’t see it this way. He’s already proven he can be a rock for us, he’s just out of form since doing well at the Euros and has been rushed back from injury.
The price tag dominated peoples opinion on him I think. Don’t get me wrong he’s been well off it this season, same for Shaw. But they are good players.
This 100%
I’d be more concerned if he was the only man out of form or not performing but it’s contagious throughout the squad, coaching staff and board.Multiple players need to sort their shit out.
Maguire like shaw when back on form are perfectly fine as regularly starters.
amen
No he isn't. At his best he's a £10m centre back. At his worst, in his current form, he's the worst in the premier league.
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