Well the manager and the requirements changed. Most people blame Maguire for that, you included. He is good but Ralf has decided to play a way that exposes him... While still playing him...
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He has done well in teams that don't play deep for his long career. I'm saying the difference here with hislong spell of bad form is rangnick. No sense giving up on him when he will probably have a far better manager shortly
Dont you know? Jose, Ole, Ralf, Southgate have got no coaching badges and the caf know more about the dressing room than those managers?
Well, also in some instances the caf thinks players outside of United have 100% pass accuracy, 100% tackling, 100% headed duels won, 100% Interceptions.
How are we ever going to get titles if Maguire can only manage 87.5% passing?
He was shite under Ole at the beginning of this season as well. Stop trying to invent excuses.
That doesn't even make sense. Maguire has got back to 'ok-ish' form since Ralf came in, after being in absolutely atrocious form for the first half of the season under Ole. He was also far worse for the first few months of last season.
Also, the only time Maguire has been consistent was in the second half of last season. His first season was very inconsistent, with plenty of great games but just as many poor games. His second season started terribly, then became inconsistent again with some good some bad, then had that great half a season. Then this third season he started terribly before now getting back to 'kind of ok'. He's literally only had 6 months of consistently good performances in his three seasons here.
Most consistent? is this a joke?
Too many excuses for a very very poor player - our style/system isn't a million miles away from under previous managers.
In this modern game, being slow, incredibly imobile and having little ability to sense danger is only going to end in tragedy - i could name many more negatives to his game, but these are the most alarming of the lot. He needs to be moved on ASAP imo.
The Maguire witch hunt might be the strangest thing I've noticed from our fans. We've had several players that aren't good enough for us and many worse than Maguire, even in this current team.
He's been here 3 seasons and I'd say he's been about average to decent during that time. If you go off perception you'd think he's been a complete basket case for three straight years and one of the worst defenders in the league. He's been awful this season, no doubt about it but the level of hate and vitriol he receives is way over the top.
You have fans licking their lips in anticipation to pile on him whenever he makes the slightest of mistakes. Its really embarrassing stuff. I've even seen games where Maguire was faultless and people are finding every possible way to blame a goal on him that quite clearly wasn't his faul.
Maguire was good in his first season and a mixed bag last season. He's only stunk it up this season, there are players in this squad that have been given several seasons to recover form so why can't we at least see what he'll be like under new management. I do agree that he shouldn't be an automatic starter but he isn't the lost cause many of you make him out to be.
He's been here 3 seasons and I'd say he's been about average to decent during that time. If you go off perception you'd think he's been a complete basket case for three straight years and one of the worst defenders in the league. He's been awful this season, no doubt about it but the level of hate and vitriol he receives is way over the top.
You have fans licking their lips in anticipation to pile on him whenever he makes the slightest of mistakes. Its really embarrassing stuff. I've even seen games where Maguire was faultless and people are finding every possible way to blame a goal on him that quite clearly wasn't his faul.
Maguire was good in his first season and a mixed bag last season. He's only stunk it up this season, there are players in this squad that have been given several seasons to recover form so why can't we at least see what he'll be like under new management. I do agree that he shouldn't be an automatic starter but he isn't the lost cause many of you make him out to be.
Was he feck all. He's been inconsistent in each of his last 3 seasons for us. The Maguire defense in his first season was that both Lindelof and De Gea were dragging him down.
This compilation is from 2019-20
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Here's a Player performance threadmark from his first season - after 2-3months there were already serious question marks about him
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/harry-maguire-2019-20-performances.449490/threadmarks
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There's a full compilation of Bruno 'fails' posted above just from Saturday. Go looking for any player you could make similar over a season.
Bruno's been shit for a long time now but he literally carried us in his 1st season. Maguire never showed that kind of class - never
I knew it was going to happen. During the game Maguire gave a bad pass early on and the announcer mentioned it. Then about 20 minutes later he had another pass go astray and the announcer then said "another poor pass from Maguire". Two...two bad passes. Yet the muppets on here repeat what the announcers tell them (or what Goldbridge tells them) because they can't think for themself. I"m not saying that all these managers have always been right with everything they've done or said. There's been plenty of times where I disagreed with them all. But the "experts" around are really are pathetic.
We should move him on and cut our losses
I just want to know why he's undroppable? Definition of madness, doing the same thing expecting different results. I hope the new manager gets rid of him asap, he's only going to get worse and worse.
Because without him our defense really struggles. Don't believe me? I know everyone wants to scapegoat him but look at the month of January. Maguire was injured most of the month and in our games vs Wolves, Brentford and Villa, De Gea had to make more saves than any other keeper in the league and ended up winning player of the month. In fact, the only game Maguire started in was against West Ham. This was also the only game De Gea didn't have to try to bail us out. In fact, he only had to make one save. But go on....tell me more how Maguire needs to be moved on or dropped....muppet
ah the return of the Goldbridge obsession…
He will join another team and perform as a top defender again. We make players play shit.
Ahhh the return of the stalker
I’m sick of hearing about Maguire and would be more than happy if we were able to off load him on loan. But we can’t just get rid of him whilst he’s under a 7yr contract.
Good comeback
Surprise surprise, the same muppets trying to justify Maguire is a top player. It’s actually embarrassing how hard they are trying to prove he is good.
He is a joke.
Most positive spin on Maggy is that he's simply on the decline.
Will most likely help next team to relegate.
Newcastle. We must sell to Newcastle. Get them drunk first though.
He's a decent player. Not 80m worthy or captain material but he has been good for us outside this season.
What really bothers me about his situation is that we have transferred this nonsense to opposition fans who now falsely think Maguire is far worse of a player than he is or has been. Rangnick's reign has seen almost all our places dip in performance. Yet he gets singled out
Decent is John O'shea, nothing special at his old age but solidly does a 7/10 every match.
With maguire you don't even expect him to perform a basic 6
They really are muppets. Convinced they’re just wumming at this stage because it makes no sense for certain people to be such imbeciles. WUMs or family/close friends of Maguire.
He could score an own goal, get red and be involved in a game where we lose 5-0 to Norwich and they’d be dodging Maguire‘s name like bullets in the matrix.
Probably this. His family members have been attacking twitter users who talked crap about him. Plus there was a report his family member emailing a journalist with bunch of insults when he criticized maguire performance. It is not farfetched to assume they also exist in the biggest Utd forum on the net
He needs to give up the captaincy to take the focus off him, that's the only way he survives a cull I think. He's probably thinking that if he does give it up he'll be benched, so instead he's playing himself into being sold.
So he was better than Jones/Bailly etc so he doesn’t need to be moved on. Thats the standard now?
He can stay if he is happy competing for a spot with a new CB. However he cannot be a nailed on starter next season if we want to progress.
How do you prove a bad player to be good? That's silly, mate
No, some are merely trying to convince you that Maguire isn't the worst player in history as some of the less rational folks (to put it mildly) would have you believe. He's actually been playing quite well since Ralf took charge. He's no Baresi by any stretch, just an average PL CB who has improved his performances of late. Nothing more than that.
Some may also feel compelled to defend a guy who has been treated disgracefully this season, not only by the ABUs who love to stick the knife in at every given opportunity but also by his own fanbase. Some of the stick he's received since the Euros ended has been way out of line. Underperforming or otherwise, no one deserves that.
Yep pretty much that. We have alot of fans who cannot make their minds up for themselves. its quite clear that he is not in goof form but then United fans have a tendency to further their own agendas, rather than supporting the club / players.
We will see videos of Maguire's fails after every game, I mean I saw VVD pass a ball out for a throw in, it happens to the best too.
We talk about atmosphere in the dressing room and fake stories but as fans, alot of fans this season have believed in the negative stories and clickbaits because it feeds their agendas, there is a reason journalists put that out, they know United fans will lap it up. Then there is also us fans saying the culture, the culture of the club, that starts with fans too, look at the blame culture we as fans have built.
Every goal = Maguire fault
We can't pass - Bruno isnt good enough
We then talk about favourites FC but fans back their favourite player too, when really no one this season deserves backing more than another.
Up until 10 months ago, I thought he was underrated. And our best defender
Now he can’t defend or even pass a ball.
I’d give him one more season to turn it around, but without the captaincy
Now he can’t defend or even pass a ball.
I’d give him one more season to turn it around, but without the captaincy
Ah yes - Harry's lord and savior right here. Yes highlight one month - when he's been shocking for 18 months now! Genius! We are hanging on for our lives in most of the games he plays - outplayed, outfought and he's the centre of that imo - can't wait until we have a manager who get rid of him.
Honestly - would they even take him?
Maguire needs to be moved on or dropped. I'd also go one further and say ten Hag should be stripping him of the captaincy.
Yes, very fair.How do you prove a bad player to be good? That's silly, mate
No, some are merely trying to convince you that Maguire isn't the worst player in history as some of the less rational folks (to put it mildly) would have you believe. He's actually been playing quite well since Ralf took charge. He's no Baresi by any stretch, just an average PL CB who has improved his performances of late. Nothing more than that.
Some may also feel compelled to defend a guy who has been treated disgracefully this season, not only by the ABUs who love to stick the knife in at every given opportunity but also by his own fanbase. Some of the stick he's received since the Euros ended has been way out of line. Underperforming or otherwise, no one deserves that.
It’s natural for fans to have differing views on players. I admit I am a big fan of Maguire and I think he is our most important player when in form. I also think he is a decent leader on the pitch when his form is good. I also admit his form has been patchy for us.
I don’t really know why he is getting such a hammering. Probably the price tag. He is expected to be faultless. The more posters defend him, the more his critics dial it up. Some of the comments that he is Championship level etc are probably just hyperbole in reaction to any praise he gets.
Whether he’s being harshly treated or not, the current predicament where he’s treated as a meme footballer will be incredibly hard to come back from for him at the club.
If the rumours of him not being respected by certain camps in the dressing room are true, then I feel his time is at an end here. I can’t see how he continues at the club next season after all this, especially as captain.
If the rumours of him not being respected by certain camps in the dressing room are true, then I feel his time is at an end here. I can’t see how he continues at the club next season after all this, especially as captain.
https://www.teamtalk.com/manchester...ns-harry-maguire-woes-comparison-gerard-pique
I agree with Ferdinand here.
The way we play doesn't suit him. I was generally fine with Maguire last season, not perfect but good enough.
This season he is worse. However I have seen the whole team change the way they play football primarily due to the change in striker. More crossing. More loss of the ball for the counter attack against our defence etc.. the less we try to absorb any pressure and counter whilst that's what happen against us.
Still for his own good he should not really be our captain though.
I agree with Ferdinand here.
The way we play doesn't suit him. I was generally fine with Maguire last season, not perfect but good enough.
This season he is worse. However I have seen the whole team change the way they play football primarily due to the change in striker. More crossing. More loss of the ball for the counter attack against our defence etc.. the less we try to absorb any pressure and counter whilst that's what happen against us.
Still for his own good he should not really be our captain though.
Because of your agenda or because of facts?
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