Wow, are you Harry's Dad?
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Good point, I certainly wouldn’t put it past them.
The supporters come way down the list of the board’s priorities as illustrated by their lack of investment in the ground.
Not sure you watch us play tbh. Alot of our kick off routine is the same, play it to CB and launch the ball upfield.
Also, is that the last time you watched football? alot of teams use this method to try and win the ball up higher so they can press.
Not sure what you mean? Our standard kick off the last two years has been a pass back to Lindelof who hoofs it for final third to the left for Pogba, Ronaldo or Rashford, or other to work on. It looks more like a pass in to a certain space than a pass that is addressing a specific player, similar to what you do in ice hockey. I guess every team has learned that because lately there has been an opponent player rushing towards Lindelof. So I guess they have changed that to Maguire now to mix it up.
Crazy eh..
I get that Elanga's mistake led to the ball coming back in.
Yes. Fred and Lindelof should have been aware of De Bruyne and put more pressure on him.
But then our Captain proceeds to get dummied by the post.
The easiest part of the whole mess and our Captain, our Leader gets dummied by the post.
The ball wasn't even coming to him at speed, but agenda etc....
Sprint full tilt towards the goal have someone smash a shot in towards goal as hard as they can, make sure they hit the goalkeeper and when it comes flying back out from 5 yards infornt of you, see if you can sort your feet out to 'just put it out for a corner which is allegedly the extremely easy thing to do.
He cant anticipate it, from the point of it leaving fodens foot, could go anywhere and he's running full tilt towards it he gets anything on it there is as much chance of him scoring an own goal as there is him getting lucky and it going out for a corner.
We are at the point that people will just blame him for anything now, there is at least 2 maybe 3 other far more culpable players who make much more basic errors but apparently our captain not having cat like agility and reactions simply isn't good enough. We better find out if Catwoman is available and get her signed up.
Most of Maguire's problems stem from him making ridiculous lunges, due to lack of intelligence, and lacking the physique to recover quickly from them.
Matic is immobile but Maguire is a whole other level. When he plants his feet it might as well be in quick dry cement.
Matic is immobile but Maguire is a whole other level. When he plants his feet it might as well be in quick dry cement.
I dont think I've disliked a ManUtd player as much as I dislike him. He enbodies every thing thats wrong with our club, overpriced, lacks leadership, overpaid, no commitment. I started loving this club when we had Vidic as captain, I think the gap between us in 2009 and now is the same between Vidic and Maguire.
Feck him, I hope we get rid as soon as possible.
Feck him, I hope we get rid as soon as possible.
I can understand the logic but it wasn't a good decision nonetheless.
We were (and still are) stuck with him as our record CB signing and he was going nowhere.
His confidence was shot and Ole tried to shake him up and show some trust by making him the captain, but it failed spectacularly and made him even more fragile and insecure.
I'm not sure i agree with that but the captaincy thing was weird. He was vice captain behind Ashley Young from the beginning and became regular captain within months as Young was often injured/out the team. Personally I think Ole wanted him to be that lionhearted, tough uncompromising centre back captain in the mold of Bruce, Terry etc. The 6 year contract was an obvious sign of faith that he'd be here for a very long time too which may have been a factor.
They planned to make him captain before he even put pen to paper in my opinion. That's how the club sweetened the deal to 'prize' him away. Don't forget we were also competing with City for his signature. The day he signed Solskjaer was singing his 'leadership' qualities. It may not have been his idea. Solskjaer wanted Koulibaly during that window
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I remember thinking wtf is this guy up to.
OK.
That must be a hell of a shot to hit the goalkeeper then the post and you still can't get your feet right
Let's have it straight.
He's not good enough.
And this doesn't excuse everyone else that messed up for that goal but it was a simple task of saving his team as Captain. And he failed
Again.
Past United captains:
Harry is and never was fit to be captain of this team. He's not even fit to be a starting 11 player. Should be nowhere near this club.
- Roy Keane
- Gary Neville
- Nemanja Vidic
- Wayne Rooney
- Antonio Valencia
- Ashley Young
Harry is and never was fit to be captain of this team. He's not even fit to be a starting 11 player. Should be nowhere near this club.
Guy is 29 already too. Already as slow as slowpoke. can’t imagine what he’ll be like couple years down the line. Newcastle needs to do us a solid here
The last three captains are a picture of our decline as a club. Depressing stuff.
The way to get rid of Harry and get the arm band of him is for him not to play. The only way he is not going to play is to get in another CB back with all the attributes we require to play a high line. Oh, and Varane needs to stay fit for more than 2 seconds.
Harry is playing because we have nobody else. Get someone in and Harry will be gone soon enough.
Harry is playing because we have nobody else. Get someone in and Harry will be gone soon enough.
What pisses me off about him most is how little he comes out and speaks. Whenever we get a thumping it's generally Scott or De Gea who come out. The guy is supposed to be the leader of this group yet he shurks at the moments when he's needed most.
Obviously the fans want him gone but I can't see the circus upstairs cutting their losses on him just yet, would be way too embarrassing for them and let's be real these guys have egos. Such a bad bit of business - at least with Di Maria & Lukaku we could recoup some cash. If Harry was to leave what would we get for him? 15M?
Obviously the fans want him gone but I can't see the circus upstairs cutting their losses on him just yet, would be way too embarrassing for them and let's be real these guys have egos. Such a bad bit of business - at least with Di Maria & Lukaku we could recoup some cash. If Harry was to leave what would we get for him? 15M?
Whatever else can be said of Maguire, it's ridiculous to blame him for that goal. It bounces back off the post and goes between his legs - pure bad luck (which can happen to a generally underperforming player as much as it can happen to anyone). There are lots of other things by other players to point to in that goal. Elanga's underhit pass, McTominay who just lets Foden speed past him and then drops off, Lindelof's badly timed lunge, arguably also Wan-Bissaka being too slow in cutting in to intercept, to say nothing of Sancho and Lindelof who are standing around and not picking up de Bruynes run into the box, from which the goal finally comes. Maguire is where he's supposed to be and can't do a lot more than he does. You could maybe criticize him for being too slow when he tries to intercept Foden's run in the box (and also for that moment of hestitation just before he attempts to block the shot), but he's pretty far down the list of players to blame for that goal, in my view.
The major difference between us and City is dealing with sunk costs. City has bought many players who don't perform at the expected level and they do the logical thing of getting rid of them.
If for example we had bought Mangala instead of City, he would still be lurking around Carrington.
Maguire has underperformed for one and half years. I know 80 millions is hard to write off but it is the only sensible thing to do. He is our current 3rd best defender, and if we invest in a new CB, he is going to be 4th.
If for example we had bought Mangala instead of City, he would still be lurking around Carrington.
Maguire has underperformed for one and half years. I know 80 millions is hard to write off but it is the only sensible thing to do. He is our current 3rd best defender, and if we invest in a new CB, he is going to be 4th.
I think that just misrepresents the situation. He was very good last season, and not bad the season before. He's been underperforming this season.
He was not very good last season. He was just not as bad as now. Keep in mind that even hsi first season who has OK, it was still underperforming in the sense he was the most expensive CB in the world. He may have not been underperforming for his standards, but for his price, he was nowhere close enough.
He cant do anything about the price that was paid for him. Even at his very best he isnt worth that money, he just isnt good enough. The best he can do is to play at the best of his capabilities, that he hasnt been doing. He had some brief spells where he looked like a decent defender, that is his top level. A decent/good premier league defender.
I do agree that he didnt have a great season last season. He started of bad, people blamed that on Greece like how they blamed his current start on the 'euro hangover' but ended the season playing decent before he got injured. With well i dont mean he was amazing but he wasnt making any mistakes and he didnt look like the joke he has been this season for example. I agree that very good is way too generous to describe the total of last season.
We'll have to disagree about that.
He's been poor overall during his time here.
Yeah, he’s generally done well for us. Solid first season and then very good last season - should have made the premier league team of the season and then did make the Euros team of the tournament. He’s been poor this season, although a lot better over the last few weeks, so hopefully he’s returning to top form.
Put him in midfield instead of McTominay?
if Arsenal can write off Ozil and Auba with its revenue (430m USD), then Man United (643m USD) should have no problem for Maguire.
https://financefootball.com/2021/01/26/top-20-football-clubs-by-revenue-2021/
I agree, but we have seen that United tends to think otherwise. Also, we have to write off AWB, Pelistri, VDB maybe and who knows who else. So, they will probably behave as conservative as they can.
You can't write off everyone in the team in one window obviously. I don't know how but you guys need to find a coach that can employ a tactic to work with the existing players. I don't think existing Man Utd players are fit to play high line possession based or high press football. If Arsenal can cut the loss and overhaul the squad, so can Man Utd. It will take couple seasons of course.
They are not fit indeed. But you either risk and start building the club with that purpose, which will take 2 years at least or try the conservative way and try utilize the existing personnel the next years, which is not really good to begin with, while making small changes.
The first option is a big risk. The second is a lesser risk, but has less rewards. You can never dominate a league with Maguire and Bissaka. But you can always be around the 3rd and 4th place.
We tried the second option with Moyes and Ole and failed spectacularly. We tried the first option with LVG and Jose (the first 2 summers) but didn't win that much, but won something at least. Although, you can argue that these managers had outdated visions and projects.
The problem is people thinking all CBs are alike in all systems. They rate Maguire when he plays in the England team because he is not asked to run towards his own goal and has the rest of his team camped out around him waiting for the opponent to make the first mistake.
At United, we don’t play that way. We need a CB who is agile, quick-witted and quick-footed. We also require a CB to have good control and the desire to carry a ball out of defense. Maguire is not that guy.
It’s like lumping the back 4 together as “defenders” when they have different jobs. A United CB has a different remit than an English national (although “stopping attackers” could reasonably be expected of Maguire).
Maguire is not a versatile, energetic, commanding CB. Those of us who want the United CB to have those qualities are rightly unimpressed with Maguire. Those who want United to play attacking football are also unimpressed. In terms of which CB suits an attacking side the best, Maguire is behind Varane, Lindelof, Bailly, and (what I remember of) Jones.
Is Maguire shit? No. Does he suit our team and RR’s preferred style? Also no. Was he a calamity against City? That’s a “yes”.
At United, we don’t play that way. We need a CB who is agile, quick-witted and quick-footed. We also require a CB to have good control and the desire to carry a ball out of defense. Maguire is not that guy.
It’s like lumping the back 4 together as “defenders” when they have different jobs. A United CB has a different remit than an English national (although “stopping attackers” could reasonably be expected of Maguire).
Maguire is not a versatile, energetic, commanding CB. Those of us who want the United CB to have those qualities are rightly unimpressed with Maguire. Those who want United to play attacking football are also unimpressed. In terms of which CB suits an attacking side the best, Maguire is behind Varane, Lindelof, Bailly, and (what I remember of) Jones.
Is Maguire shit? No. Does he suit our team and RR’s preferred style? Also no. Was he a calamity against City? That’s a “yes”.
It can be done, but it takes couple seasons to rebuild. Just take a look at the players Arteta kicked out either for free or on loan for the 2 seasons he is in charge. The hardest part is to get the "buy in" from the board. It is a lot of "assets" to write off.
Torreria (Loan)
Auba (free)
Chambers (free)
Willian (free)
Kolasinac (free)
Bellerin (Loan)
Guendouzi (Loan)
Nelson (Loan)
Mari (Loan)
David Luiz (free)
Leno (benched)
Mavropanos (loan)
Mkhitaryan (free)
Mustafi (free)
Ozil (free)
Papastathopoulos (free)
Maitland-Niles (Loan)
Mate, you’re falling arse backwards into 4th against a United side that drew their way out of it & Spurs. Not saying you won’t push on & I think Arteta has done well but I can’t think of anything less underwhelming than our new manager pointing at Arteta & saying, let’s do that. The aim should be far higher.
I am only saying it takes couple seasons to overhaul the squad and it needs the board's backing. Nothing more. I never said this team is a much better team. It is too early to tell. there is no guarantee of success even Arsenal overhauled the squad.
Fair. I just see an element of OgS finishing 2nd last season with Arsenal this year.
Okay so what exactly can we do with Harry Maguire as its obvious we wont sell him
How can we and where can we adapt him too? going forward
I cant see him turning into a Maldini, He dosent have the pace and European Football has changed
Can anybody think of a new position for him? Somewhere where he wont cause us damage
Can we push him to RB or CDM?
Even CF if we can lump it to him
How can we and where can we adapt him too? going forward
I cant see him turning into a Maldini, He dosent have the pace and European Football has changed
Can anybody think of a new position for him? Somewhere where he wont cause us damage
Can we push him to RB or CDM?
Even CF if we can lump it to him
The Van de Beek role aka the bench.
Maybe the solution is just to accept that we’ll have to play that way while we’ve got these players.
Give Southgate a three year contract then move him on when the likes of Harry’s have expired.
It won’t be pretty and we’ll almost certainly win nothing, but at least it seems like a plan.
CDM? I think it's time we tried him there. He is a good header of the ball, he can tackle, can pass better than McTominay, not that slower than McTominay.
He is more suited to a team playing low block counter attacking football. So he doesn't have too much space behind him.
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